Please Interpret This For Me

[munjoth]

Partially true. My reasoning is below.

Guru jee can be all this ie a breham giaanee, a sant etc but a breham gianee or a sant cannot be a Guru jee.

(sukhamani sahib has more on breham giaanee)

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This is partially true as well! The rules are that the punj pyara are given title of GURU, for them to be accepted as guru they must all be gurmukhs (one status above the brahamgyani) Because when they are the punj they have to give you 3 gifts at the amrit sanchar: So Gur Karo Jo Saach Dhrirh, Akath Kathai, shabad milae. In order for them to give you these gifts they must first be merged with saach them selves! The seeker must be at sant status.

[besoft]

Partially true. My reasoning is below.

Guru jee can be all this ie a breham giaanee, a sant etc but a breham gianee or a sant cannot be a Guru jee.

(sukhamani sahib has more on breham giaanee)

^^

This is partially true as well! The rules are that the punj pyara are given title of GURU, for them to be accepted as guru they must all be gurmukhs (one status above the brahamgyani) Because when they are the punj they have to give you 3 gifts at the amrit sanchar: So Gur Karo Jo Saach Dhrirh, Akath Kathai, shabad milae. In order for them to give you these gifts they must first be merged with saach them selves! The seeker must be at sant status.

Munjoth ji,

Thanks for yoour valuable guidance:

1.What is the level of the Graet men.?

satguru

Guru.

Saint.

bhagat

brahamgyani

and anyother that you enlist in the soul.

2. What is the source of this classification.?

3.What is merger with self and the method of same?

[The_Perfect_Student]

go read sukhmani sahib then. it will tell you that brahm giani is God, so how can there be someone higher then God.

it says brahm giani is himself the formless lord.

there is no difference between a puran brahm giani, puran sant, satguru.

it is all same.

stop becoming egoistical about the gurus, it was the supreme jyot within the gurus that made them the Guru.

There is only one guru and that is GOD - SAT.

we say it was 10 gurus were 1st nanak 2nd nanak 3rd nanak but it wasnt. it was all SAT - TRUTH - GOD.

all gurus had same jyot within them and that was GOD. if you think that way then you will see no difference between our gurus, other religion gurus and you wont become egoistcal that our gurus were better then all and had most knowledge because iit was all that 1 supremee being in all of them.

it was all same and 1 jyot so how can one be better than the other 1?!!!?!

if we become egositcal about our own religion, there is no difference between us and other religions then. What is everybody doing, muslims think their religion is the best and prophet was true, christain will say their religion is the best and jesus will come to save you, sikhs will say our gurus were perfect. so we will all are same as them then...

[The_Perfect_Student]

and when we bow to a puran brahm giani/sant/satguru it is not the physical body that we are bowing to.

it is the supreme being that is sitting inside their hirda that we are bowing to.

[besoft]

go read sukhmani sahib then. it will tell you that brahm giani is God, so how can there be someone higher then God.

it says brahm giani is himself the formless lord.

there is no difference between a puran brahm giani, puran sant, satguru.

it is all same.

stop becoming egoistical about the gurus, it was the supreme jyot within the gurus that made them the Guru.

There is only one guru and that is GOD - SAT.

we say it was 10 gurus were 1st nanak 2nd nanak 3rd nanak but it wasnt. it was all SAT - TRUTH - GOD.

all gurus had same jyot within them and that was GOD. if you think that way then you will see no difference between our gurus, other religion gurus and you wont become egoistcal that our gurus were better then all and had most knowledge because iit was all that 1 supremee being in all of them.

it was all same and 1 jyot so how can one be better than the other 1?!!!?!

if we become egositcal about our own religion, there is no difference between us and other religions then. What is everybody doing, muslims think their religion is the best and prophet was true, christain will say their religion is the best and jesus will come to save you, sikhs will say our gurus were perfect. so we will all are same as them then...

Thanks a lot friend for al the pains .However, a sper the following line it is the LOrd/Creator who makes one Brahmgyani.It is HIS sweet will that HE selects one to become Brahmgyani.

bRhm igAwnI ijsu krY pRBu Awip ] (273-11, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

The God-conscious being is made so by God Himself.

If one becomes Brahmgyani as per HIS will it is natural that HE is supreme and even Brahmgyani will never be equal to the Creator. The brahmgyani may get merged with the Cretor and be one with HIM but HE cannot derive all the powers of the Satguru ., the supreme

being.

Only HE is the Brahmgyani.ONLY GOD and none else can be brahmgyani as per the definition of Brahmgyani and the above line that GOD makes any one brahmgyani.

[munjoth]

Munjoth ji,

Thanks for yoour valuable guidance:

1.What is the level of the Graet men.?

satguru

Guru.

Saint.

bhagat

brahamgyani

and anyother that you enlist in the soul.

2. What is the source of this classification.?

3.What is merger with self and the method of same?

SANT

Sant is assigned the location where Anhad Sabad of God goes on all the time. Sant relishes this Anahad Sabad/Bani/Dhun

"Teh geet Naad akharay sanga. Oohan Bhagat karay Har ranga." p-739

The Sants have access to the Spiritual wealth of Anhad Bani and holds the key to this.They can help the seeker to this Anhad Sabad:

"Anhad banee poonji. Santan hath rakhee koonji." p-893

Sants will brief the seekers on 'akath katha' the invisible path to reach the Supreme Being. This is their assignment.

"Kahaiy Nanak suno Santo katheo kath khanee." p-918

Thru this Anhad Bani which God Himself is uttering inside every body, will reveal this unknown path to the seeker when they hear it under guidance and help of a Sant:":Har ki katha Anahad Bani." p-439

Sants become servants of God and have easy access to His mansion. They know well their Divine Master and will guide the seeker to Him:

"Pucho ja-ay pdhaooan chalay chakar ho-ay.Rajan jaa-nay apna dar ghar thaak na hoay." p-57

The Sants are directed by God to do simran on Gurmantra above everything else and help others to do the same to bring peace to them.

"Saajan Sant karo eh kaam. Aan tiag japo Har Naam.Simar simar sukh paavo. Aap japo avray Naam japavoh." p-290

SADHU

Sadhus are blessed with doing 'kirtan' , singing praises of Naam and the True One. The Sadhus will deliver this 'kirtan' to those who accept Guru'sword as Truth:"Ram Naam kirtan rattan vath Sadhu paas rakheejay.Jo bachan Gur sat sat kar ma-naiy tis aa-gaiy kaadh dhreejaiy." p1326

Since Sehaj Dhun goes on with Naam, Sadhus stay with Sehaj Dhun.If we keep the company of Sadhus and renouncing our ego beg their help, they will help us cross the Bhavjal/ Agan Sagar by bringing us to the treasure of Naam.

"Aap shod benati karoh.Sadh sang agan sagar taro." 295

If we desire the Four Cardinal Gifts, we should go and serve Sadhus:

"Chaar pdarath je ko mangay. Sadh jana kee sewa laagay." p266

To meet our True Lord, which is the only purpose of this human birth, one is advised that the only important thing in life is to do is Japna in the company of a Sadh:

"Bhaee parapt manukh dehuria. Gobind milan kee ehi teri baria.Avar kaaj teray kitay na kaam. Mil sadh sangat bhaj kewal Naam."p-12

BHAGAT

Bhagat stays in high comfortable spiritual palaces of Sookh Mehal

"Sookh mehal jan kay ooch dwaray.Ta meh vassay bhagat piaaray." p-739

They are always imbued with peace of God's Naam:

"Sukhmani sukh amrit Prabh NaamBhagat jana kay mun bisram." p262

Bhagat's food for mind is only Hari Naam and they are always heard singing praises of God. They live in the Nij Ghar serving God and win respect at the door of His Mansion:"Bhagtan ka bhojan Hari Naam Niranjan pehnan bhagat bdaeeNij Ghar vaasa sada Har sewan Har Dar sobha paaee." p-1233

In Japuji Sahib, Guru Ji has dedicated four pauries to Bhagats .They are always in peace and happiness and listening to them many a grief andsins are dispelled:"Nanak Bhagtan sada vigas. Sunniay dookh paap ka naas." p-2.

God loves His Bhagats and they look beautiful singing his praises atHis door:"Bhagat teray mun bhanvday. Dar sohan keertan ganvday." 262

BRAHM GIANI

Brahm Giani is a seeker whose mind is fully awakened into spiritual realm and lives in Sach Ghar having gained independence from doots of Maya. He is liberated from the cycle of reincarnations:.

"Sache mehal niwaas nirantar avan jaan chukaaia." p--7

The food for his mind is Brahm Gian or the knowledge of Infinite Being. His mind is all the time absorbed in deep meditation of Supreme Lord."Brahngiani ka bhojan gian.Nanak Brahm Giani ka Brahm dhian." p-273

There is no difference in the nature of God and Brahm Giani.

"Nanak Brahm Giani aap Parmesar." 273

They are most of the time in deep meditation and serve God and do simran in that state only. Their mind is always in self control and remain pure all the time:

"Nadri Satgur seveeay nadri sewa hoay. Nadar eh mun vas aavay nadri mun nirmal ho-ay." p-558

With regards

rabinder Singh bhamra"

Here is an article stating each status of the MIND, the reason gurmukh is the highest is because a BRAHAMGYANI (MIND) does assan at one point only, which is in prakash mehal- a GURMUKH can goto any assan it pleases.....it can goto prakash mehal (brahamgyan assan) it can goto sookham mehal (bhagat assan) it can goto sacha shabad/sehaj dhun (sadhu assan) and it can goto anhad shabad (sant assan): GURMUKH AAVI JAAVI NAA SUNG GURMUKH KAADI RAAH CHILAE

the guru is one higher, in the form of the punj the 5 gurmukhs know the jugti (method) of giving the sant the next state; So Gur Karo Jo Sach Dhrirh, Akath Kathai SHABAD MILAE.

the satguru is the highest, once the guru points you to the direction where the satguru is the mind must go there and do an assan outside his door, you are then known as a bhagat. the satguru is the hardest to convince he may make you wait all your life or very short time, it is entirely up to the satguru!

[UKGupt Kaur]

Yes there is a major difference between Guru Nanak Dev ji (Sikh Guru) and other religion 'Guru's'

If you think the way U do then I assume you also support that there are living Guru's and that the lineage did not end at Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.