Maya - Are We Living In Hell?

[jii]

maya is all around us in all sorts of sinful actions. it has come to me the thought that are we actually livinging in hell? think about this, i know its not probably true, but as sikhs if we have come from another live form because we have not reunited with god, where would that put us now?

we are trying to break free from all the maya in this world, not any other world, but the world we live in today to reunite with god.

further, where has all this maya come from? with the christians there is a devil and god, sins are seen as the devils work, but with sikhs, how did maya come to our world and what was its cause?

[Ramneet Singh]

Hmmm well just recently i had a talk with an older gursikh and he explained things quite clearly:

The actual definition of hell is to be separated from god. When one is in hell, he/she is not in the presence of god. So in reality, hell is within us all. If we were all fully in the presence of god, we would all be jevan mukat.

Its hard concept to understand, i thought about it for a few min and had a headache

As for maya part, sikhitothemax to the rescue

http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=27

so dru kyhw so Gru kyhw ijqu bih srb smwly ]

so dhar kaehaa so ghar kaehaa jith behi sarab samaalae ||

Where is that Gate, and where is that Dwelling, in which You sit and take care of all?

vwjy nwd Anyk AsMKw kyqy vwvxhwry ]

vaajae naadh anaek asa(n)khaa kaethae vaavanehaarae ||

The Sound-current of the Naad vibrates there, and countless musicians play on all sorts of instruments there.

kyqy rwg prI isau khIAin kyqy gwvxhwry ]

kaethae raag paree sio keheean kaethae gaavanehaarae ||

So many Ragas, so many musicians singing there.

gwvih quhno pauxu pwxI bYsMqru gwvY rwjw Drmu duAwry ]

gaavehi thuhano poun paanee baisa(n)thar gaavai raajaa dhharam dhuaarae ||

The praanic wind, water and fire sing; the Righteous Judge of Dharma sings at Your Door.

gwvih icqu gupqu iliK jwxih iliK iliK Drmu vIcwry ]

gaavehi chith gupath likh jaanehi likh likh dhharam veechaarae ||

Chitr and Gupt, the angels of the conscious and the subconscious who record actions, and the Righteous Judge of Dharma who judges this record sing.

gwvih eIsru brmw dyvI sohin sdw svwry ]

gaavehi eesar baramaa dhaevee sohan sadhaa savaarae ||

Shiva, Brahma and the Goddess of Beauty, ever adorned, sing.

gwvih ieMd iedwsix bYTy dyviqAw dir nwly ]

gaavehi ei(n)dh eidhaasan bait(h)ae dhaevathiaa dhar naalae ||

Indra, seated upon His Throne, sings with the deities at Your Door.

gwvih isD smwDI AMdir gwvin swD ivcwry ]

gaavehi sidhh samaadhhee a(n)dhar gaavan saadhh vichaarae ||

The Siddhas in Samaadhi sing; the Saadhus sing in contemplation.

gwvin jqI sqI sMqoKI gwvih vIr krwry ]

gaavan jathee sathee sa(n)thokhee gaavehi veer karaarae ||

The celibates, the fanatics, the peacefully accepting and the fearless warriors sing.

gwvin pMifq pVin rKIsr jugu jugu vydw nwly ]

gaavan pa(n)ddith parran rakheesar jug jug vaedhaa naalae ||

The Pandits, the religious scholars who recite the Vedas, with the supreme sages of all the ages, sing.

gwvih mohxIAw mnu mohin surgw mC pieAwly ]

gaavehi mohaneeaa man mohan suragaa mashh paeiaalae ||

The Mohinis, the enchanting heavenly beauties who entice hearts in this world, in paradise, and in the underworld of the subconscious sing.

gwvin rqn aupwey qyry ATsiT qIrQ nwly ]

gaavan rathan oupaaeae thaerae at(h)asat(h) theerathh naalae ||

The celestial jewels created by You, and the sixty-eight holy places of pilgrimage sing.

gwvih joD mhwbl sUrw gwvih KwxI cwry ]

gaavehi jodhh mehaabal sooraa gaavehi khaanee chaarae ||

The brave and mighty warriors sing; the spiritual heroes and the four sources of creation sing.

gwvih KMf mMfl vrBMfw kir kir rKy Dwry ]

gaavehi kha(n)dd ma(n)ddal varabha(n)ddaa kar kar rakhae dhhaarae ||

The planets, solar systems and galaxies, created and arranged by Your Hand, sing.

syeI quDuno gwvih jo quDu Bwvin rqy qyry Bgq rswly ]

saeee thudhhuno gaavehi jo thudhh bhaavan rathae thaerae bhagath rasaalae ||

They alone sing, who are pleasing to Your Will. Your devotees are imbued with the Nectar of Your Essence.

hoir kyqy gwvin sy mY iciq n Awvin nwnku ikAw vIcwry ]

hor kaethae gaavan sae mai chith n aavan naanak kiaa veechaarae ||

So many others sing, they do not come to mind. O Nanak, how can I consider them all?

soeI soeI sdw scu swihbu swcw swcI nweI ]

soee soee sadhaa sach saahib saachaa saachee naaee ||

That True Lord is True, Forever True, and True is His Name.

hY BI hosI jwie n jwsI rcnw ijin rcweI ]

hai bhee hosee jaae n jaasee rachanaa jin rachaaee ||

He is, and shall always be. He shall not depart, even when this Universe which He has created departs.

rMgI rMgI BwqI kir kir ijnsI mwieAw ijin aupweI ]

ra(n)gee ra(n)gee bhaathee kar kar jinasee maaeiaa jin oupaaee ||

He created the world, with its various colors, species of beings, and the variety of Maya.

kir kir vyKY kIqw Awpxw ijv iqs dI vifAweI ]

kar kar vaekhai keethaa aapanaa jiv this dhee vaddiaaee ||

Having created the creation, He watches over it Himself, by His Greatness.

jo iqsu BwvY soeI krsI hukmu n krxw jweI ]

jo this bhaavai soee karasee hukam n karanaa jaaee ||

He does whatever He pleases. No order can be issued to Him.

so pwiqswhu swhw pwiqswihbu nwnk rhxu rjweI ]27]

so paathisaahu saahaa paathisaahib naanak rehan rajaaee ||27||

He is the King, the King of kings, the Supreme Lord and Master of kings. Nanak remains subject to His Will. ||27||

lmaoooo, i searched "maya created" in sikhitothemax, then like after 10 min i realized i read this

everyday.......slap to the face ouch

[Heera Singh]

I think hell is a state of mind...

[singh-yo-dha]

Waheyguru JI KA Khalsa Waheyguru Ji Key Fateh

Jio there is physical hell...one goes to hell due to the state of the mind....

Once I heard this Shabad Sri Ram Nama Uchar mana , a-gay Jaam Daal Be-gham Gha-na...ang 155 of shri Guru Granth Sahib ji

and There was another one Malik jo Kanee Soo-ne the Moh Ve-kha-lay A-yeah ( Shiek Farid ji)

Some may argue oh! hell is mention to create fear ..well truth is Guru Sahib ji has stated the truth and the law of the universe according to which this duneya goes on.....not put fear but to alert us so that our maan/mind from being a-chaat can become soo-chay-ate

If still in doubt one day we all have to leave...

Waheyguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru ji Key Fateh

[THE WARRIOR]

Hell is a state of existence where without the physical the Attma simply works according to those tendencies which were strongest, most paramount, encrypted in to the person during their natural life. Because part of the physical mind encapsulates the thought process, rational, etc is no longer being used the only actions in a hellish existence is one based on desires that are rooted in the existence of the living and the desire to live once again. Such Hellish existence can last for thousands of years, but then the unconscious Attma does not understand time and space as we do.

[MiriPiri]

One wonders why God detached our souls from the divine in the first place. Of course, we'll never know the answer, but it sure is frustrating that he did so.

So he gave us the rules of the game, and indeed the objective, and we are participants, willingly or not, so do we play without knowing WHY the game started? That's the question that blights the minds of the unblessed. Yeah, me.

[pyaraji]

We are not living in hell! Hell is an actual place of existence. Please refer to the gurbani quotes below:

Maru M.5 (ang 1003)

EAMkwir auqpwqI ]

The One Universal Creator Lord created the creation.

kIAw idnsu sB rwqI ]

He made all the days and the nights.

...

qRY gux kIAw pswrw ]

He formed the expanse of the entire universe from the three gunas, the three qualities.

nrk surg Avqwrw ]

People are incarnated in heaven and in hell.

In this shabad, it describes hell (ang 92):

ibKm Gor pMiQ cwlxw pRwxI riv sis qh n pRvysM ]

The path you must walk is treacherous and terrifying, O mortal; neither the sun nor the moon shine there.

This next shabad describes how it comes after sinful living (ang 385)

mnmuKu jy smJweIAY BI auJiV jwey ]

Even if the self-willed manmukh is instructed, he stills goes into the wilderness.

ibnu hir nwm n CUtsI mir nrk smwey ]5]

Without the Lord's Name, he shall not be emancipated; he shall die, and sink into hell. ||5||

This shabad reminds us that we are born in hell or heaven:

swsqR byd pwp puMn vIcwr ]

The Shaastras and the Vedas speak of sin and virtue;

nrik surig iPir iPir Aauqwr ]2]

they say that mortals are reincarnated into heaven and hell, over and over again. ||2||

[singh2k]

I think hell is a state of mind...

Yup, just a state of mind, therefore everyone has a mind on their own.