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Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

wow ... so many replies so quickly, thank you all for your support, keep the suggestions coming, did not quite realise how much you have to look out for ...

a few other questions to if anyone has any experience

- i am a medical student, is there anything that could come up as a problem in the future, anyone in a similar position

- i am hoping to go into the army after graduating for a few years as doctor (medical officer) ... can anyone invisage any problems

- also, i am hoping to travel india this summer and go to hemkunt sahib as well, any advice, or anyone looking to go...

again, thank you very much - look forward to reading everyones very kind advice.

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- i am a medical student, is there anything that could come up as a problem in the future, anyone in a similar position
You will have to handle and deal with sick people.
- i am hoping to go into the army after graduating for a few years as doctor (medical officer) ... can anyone invisage any problems
You will have to handle and deal with wounded soldiers covered in blood and maybe even missing limbs.
- also, i am hoping to travel india this summer and go to hemkunt sahib as well, any advice, or anyone looking to go...
If its only Hemkunth Sahib then better go in summer. I've heard its better weather wise to go in summer.
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Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

wow ... so many replies so quickly, thank you all for your support, keep the suggestions coming, did not quite realise how much you have to look out for ...

a few other questions to if anyone has any experience

- i am a medical student, is there anything that could come up as a problem in the future, anyone in a similar position

- i am hoping to go into the army after graduating for a few years as doctor (medical officer) ... can anyone invisage any problems

- also, i am hoping to travel india this summer and go to hemkunt sahib as well, any advice, or anyone looking to go...

again, thank you very much - look forward to reading everyones very kind advice.

xx

i am in my 4th year of medicine at birmingham university. i have not encountered any problems in practising medicine. there are 2 other turban wearing sikhs in my year, one is amritdhari and he has not experienced any problems. I also have an amritdhari friend at king college studying medicine whom has no problems. the only problem i could foresee you experiencing is that maybe because of the new nhs policies regarding infection control, some pcts may expect your forearms to be completely bare when examining patients, however at hospitals in birmingham nobody has asked me to remove my kara. If you are asked to remove your kara explain its significance and im sure they will let you keep it on.

you should be fine working for the army :@

regarding hemkunt sahib read this thread

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showto...mp;#entry324505

i was considering travelling there during my elective, but unfortunately it wont be accessable then :)

good luck with everything need any more advice feel free to pm me

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I'm a medical student too. If anything I think infection control is going to be an issue since u cannot wear anything below the elbows. We get told off for wearing shirts or tops if they are full arm length. Everything has to be half sleeved. You cannot wear watches, rings etc so kara might be a problem....So far I have not removed it and no one has said anything but when I scrub up I feel terrible for keeping it on!

I actually used to wear one normal kara and one mala kara but I stopped wearing the mala one cos its impossible to wash! Kirpan is not much of a problem however I do think dastaar might be problem in theatre. I wear a keski so the blue caps fit over the top. I spoke to a locum doctor and he said most of the singhs just remove their dastaar and keep their underneath keski and go into theatre.....but with me I don't see the point of wearing a dastaar cos u go to all that time and effort to tie and then u only end up wearing keski. I might wear dastaar next year and see what its like but so far only wearing keski...maybe if they had bigger blue caps you wouldn't have to remove dastaar!

About the army they are pretty clued up on sikh things. If you join their student officer group so you get a taste of what it is like beforehand plus they sponsor you. I would therefore join up now rather than later. I actually considered joining the air squadron.

I've been to hemkunt sahib. Its not open all year cos the peak is in the outer layer of the earth which means its oxygen levels drop! Not many people know this but this is the reason you cannot stay in hemkunt sahib in the night cos it almost touches space. Basically in the winter and night there is not enough oxygen. So the first thing to do is check openings. I think its open from June to October.....I went ages ago when everyone used to walk from the first gurdwara (gobind ghat i think) to the second one and then to the top. Now a days people drive to the second gurdwara and walk a little bit. Anyways I deffo recommend walking all the way.

Also make sure you inform the gurdwara you coming in advance so you can a get room to sleep in! Don't only see Hemkunt Sahib cos there are so many other things to see on the way. Firstly just getting to the location is a mission and you pass so many hindu shrines which are worth visiting.

Also be careful cos when we went there was a landslide and rocks came tumbling from above. It knocked our van but the van infront got hit the most cos it went plunging into the ganges and they all basically died. Our van tipped but we never fell into the water. The landslide basically blocked everyone going to hemkunt sahib or coming the other way. I then had to stay with the mountain people who were so nice (I got to meet their Guru who wore like Orange clothes and I even saw a tiger cos the landslide had disturbed it) We carried on our journey by fixing the road with mud etc....we were the first van to test out if it was stable enough to drive on cos no one else wanted to risk seeing if it was okay. Kinda mean but we had faith. It sounds scary but it was so amazing. Also all the views are so magnificant! I cannot describe it to you but I never seen anything like it.

When you go hemkunt sahib make sure u pass the valley of flowers. The flowers only blossom at a certain time so again find out optimum timings....and then make sure you look up weather etc cos when you go to the top of hemkunt sahib you want to see the 7 peaks as described by guru gobind singh in Bachittar Natak...when we went we could only see 5 peaks.

Also when you walk up make sure you look out for the tree the baba stayed in when he went to find the location of Hemkunt (I think its at gobind dham and they got a marble plaque labeeling it and a fence around it. lol) Also right next to hemkunt sahib gurdwara they have a TINY hindu temple where the pandav's from Mahabharrat are supposed to have done bhagati! Make sure you visit that too.....and oh yeah the water in the lake around hemkunt sahib is freezing. The men are lucky they can wash outside cos the women have to wash in this cave thing and the water inside the cave is much colder than the water outside. You hear the men complain the water is cold but I washed in both and the women's water is much colder! My mum goes say waheguru....I get into the water and my waheguru was like a scream cos it was colder than ice! lol.

Oh other things....take water with you and food. They also have huts where you can buy things on the way. Also the weather is really random. One minute its sunny and the next its pouring down with rain. We even had hail stones hit us and I have never seen hail stones in India...oh u can see snow on the peaks and edges. I would wear a rain coat so ure clothes dont get wet and also it gets cold so take gloves cos my hands were freezing! This nice man allowed me to sit next to the fire they used to make roti's but not everyone is allowed!

And one more thing cos u are going high altitude the body has less oxygen. In this state some people get sick and throw up. I didn't get sick but some of my family did so take some bags with you. Also I don't like the donkeys people sit on...one of the donkey's went a bit mad and came running into the food tent.....actually maybe it was hungry. lol...anyways when I walked up I tried to avoid being close to a donkey and also I tried to not walk next to the edge. Someone actually stood near the edge to take a cool pic (the scenery is amazing) but yea the edge gave way so be careful!

But other than that its amazing. I dunno what its like now but when I went everyone walked up and was japping naam the whole way and it was such a beautiful atmosphere. Also we got to see waterfalls and I discovered a trail of water and made it into a stream using a leaf and drank from it. Seriously it was like a mini adventure but if you just sit and drive up you don't get that so make sure you walk! I wish I could go again - it was so much fun!

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I've been to hemkunt sahib. Its not open all year cos the peak is in the outer layer of the earth which means its oxygen levels drop! Not many people know this but this is the reason you cannot stay in hemkunt sahib in the night cos it almost touches space. Basically in the winter and night there is not enough oxygen. So the first thing to do is check openings. .

ohmy.gif I know its at a high altitude for us humans but it is no where near space hehe tongue.gif

It's closed from October to May (If remember correctly) as the snow level gets high, and the paths are blocked. It gets extremely cold at night as temperature drops to low levels, thus common symptoms such as nausea etc are likely :@ .

And yep, if anyone does go, walk it up and down if possible. It's amazing. Pointless with a donkey. tongue.gif

Imandeep: Check out this thread: clicky and clicky for general advice!

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I actually used to wear one normal kara and one mala kara but I stopped wearing the mala one cos its impossible to wash! Kirpan is not much of a problem however I do think dastaar might be problem in theatre. I wear a keski so the blue caps fit over the top. I spoke to a locum doctor and he said most of the singhs just remove their dastaar and keep their underneath keski and go into theatre.....but with me I don't see the point of wearing a dastaar cos u go to all that time and effort to tie and then u only end up wearing keski. I might wear dastaar next year and see what its like but so far only wearing keski...maybe if they had bigger blue caps you wouldn't have to remove dastaar!

Penji uno in theare do u HAVE to wear the cap things, cos arent we supposed to not wear caps? Cant they jus allow dastaar I dno im lil confused :@

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Basically its to do with infection. So you protect ureself and the patient. Like about 3 weeks ago I was pulling out varicose veins and blood went into my face. Thankfully I wore glasses so it did not get into my eyes but I would rather cover my keskhi than get blood onto it. Imagine me walking out with patches of blood....

Anyways I don't wear dastaar...I wear a keskhi so maybe the singhs like malkeet can tell us what they do..

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i dont usually wear my turban into theatre, i will just have a keski/patka on, over the top i will put one of them blue headgear bandana things (lol im not sure what exactly they are called but i will check 2moro) they are tied at the back. like penji above said, i want to wear something over my keski/patka because i dont want any blood to get on it (just incase)

ive seen a plastic surgeon singh who had his hair in top knot and didnt have a keski, but put one of these same blue bandana like things on and tied it at the back.

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