T-shirts Stir Debate At Surrey School

[singh-khalsa]

yaar who knows maybe he was monay b4 and ki pata after this movement oh v singh saj janday. u never knows. sangat da asar

WJKK WJKF

and if he wasnt, because from my understanding he became shaheed as a monah, as did many others. What is your response, what would you say if a shaheed who died as monah stood before you?

shahed shead a mai us baray kuch nahi keha mai keha who knows sanagt day asar naal after khalistan oh sikh ban janday i mean singh with kesh

[SunSingh]

without a doubt many woudl become gursikh after khalistan made. BUT not by force or pressure, only prachaar and pyaar. To promote anything else reeks of intolerance, insecurity , and immaturity.

[lovekhalistan]

All the people wearing t shirts are clean shave. What religion are they trying to represent. I understand If you have turbun wearing these t shirts make sense.

After reading all the comments. I am taking my this comment back. I apologize :3singh3:

I am here to learn. If I see something positive I take it.

Bhul Chuk Maaf :TH:

[buddasingh]

.... What is your response, what would you say if a shaheed who died as monah stood before you?

I would say I am in awe and indebted to their love for humanity. I could only wish that given the opportunity, I had their courage to put love for humanity before my own life ----regardless of their appearance or faith claim.

I would also say that I am far lesser Sikh than them, but to be Sikh, we need to give our head to guruji on this earth and that means sikhi saroop.

Shaheedi in Sikhi includes a discipline of principle one assumes while alive. If a monas shaheedi for sikhi alone makes him sikh, then Guru Teg Bahadur’s shaheedi for the hindus would make him hindu.

Bros MKLQ and Singhavelli,

I have the utmost respect for your intelligent postings on this forum and I agree with much of what you say in this thread. I prefer to have a spirited discussion without engaging in chest beating. I think these kids need to be supported, but also cautioned to be respectful not to misrepresent sikhi.

It is obvious that the majority if not all of those kids, claim they are sikhs in some form. I support their right to wear the t-shirts, however, hope they understand the extreme humility that needs to come with wearing such a shirt, so any claim to sikhi of theirs, does not malign the significance of sikhi saroop.

Are they willfully blind in representing to the public that sikhi saroop is optional for a Sikh? How many of us are willfully blind in representing that sikhi saroop is optional? Is it then really sikhi, where we offer our heads in humility, that we care to protect, or our own ego?

The point needs to be made that a Sikh must be dignified enough to know Sikh values before fighting for others as a Sikh. Sikhi saroop is part and parcel of sikh values. It can not be parsed. One can not take a stance for values yet blatantly violate the same values.

There are limited justifications to a claim to sikhi while violating sikhi, One is a being a minor who is learning. We have an entire generation of incompetent and ill educated parents. The other justification when one of us does not maintain sikhi saroop, is we remain extremely humble about our claim to sikhi and rather than justify ourselves, we insist that sikhi = amritdhari and nothing less.

So, there are two important points that need to be made. One is that sikhi saroop is mandatory. The other is that these kids have every right to wear the t-shirt, they deserve our caring support and guidance.

[SunSingh]

historically, sehajdhari were accepted as sikhs BUT Amrit was always a requireement. So sahajdhari means a person who is moving towards Amrit. Rather than call them non-sikh, which createse anger resentment etc, I think it's better to promote Amrit, teach them what it is etc. And make sure they know that Amrit is mandatory.

[xkaurx]

where did the name sehajdharis come from, is that just a man made thing?

[Guest peacemaker]

Not from me...

"Guru Gobind Singh Ji did not create any type of Sikhs, but he manifested the final suroop of the Sikhs. The word Sehajdhari has been used in rehitnaame and by reading them you will see that it does NOT refer to those Sikhs who have got their hair cut. It actually refers to those people who keep kesh and are Sikhs, but just haven't taken amrit yet. As we all know, Guru Gobind Singh Ji never forced anyone to take Khande baate ki pahul. People only took amrit because of their love for Guru Ji. But there must have been some people who lived in far places, or weren't yet ready to take amrit, and these Sikhs were called Sehajdharis. It is clear from Hukamnaama like the one sent to Kabul that Guru Gobind Singh Ji's khusi/happiness is only on those who have taken Khande-baate-ki-phaul. "

[xkaurx]

i thought sehajdharis were like from different religions learning about sikhi

[Guest peacemaker]

Nah, I don't believe they are----> http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sahajdhari

[lovekhalistan]

historically, sehajdhari were accepted as sikhs BUT Amrit was always a requireement. So sahajdhari means a person who is moving towards Amrit. Rather than call them non-sikh, which createse anger resentment etc, I think it's better to promote Amrit, teach them what it is etc. And make sure they know that Amrit is mandatory.

Amrit is the only way out from 84 lakh da garda. If you are moona and you got Sheeadi; you get another change to take amrit and more like you take amrit because you have good karm from previous life. This is what I believe.