Darshan Ragi In Ireland

[JagtarSinghKhalsa]

Vaheguroo

Just got off the phone from Mr Bal. Looks like he's Darshan's lieutenant in England. According to him, the Prof is only putting his Veechar forward. ((

Did he confirm if and when Darshan Ragi will be at Sri Guru Singh Sabha, Slough.

I know Singhs from the UK were prepared to go to Ireland to show Darshan Ragi that his activities were unacceptable. Perhaps Mr Bal wants to have a rethink!

[Inder Singh]

Vaheguroo

Just got off the phone from Mr Bal. Looks like he's Darshan's lieutenant in England. According to him, the Prof is only putting his Veechar forward. ((

It looks that this Bal will not listen. Only way is to show resentment at premises of Gurudwara. Go there and make him to see raeson.

[JagtarSinghKhalsa]

Vaheguroo

Just got off the phone from Mr Bal. Looks like he's Darshan's lieutenant in England. According to him, the Prof is only putting his Veechar forward. ((

Did he confirm if and when Darshan Ragi will be at Sri Guru Singh Sabha, Slough.

I know Singhs from the UK were prepared to go to Ireland to show Darshan Ragi that his activities were unacceptable. Perhaps Mr Bal wants to have a rethink!

Will try and find out tomorrow if Darshan Ragi will be at Sri Guru Singh Sabha, Slough sometime.

The fact there is silence/no announcements etc. I suspect Mr Bal will spring it on the local Sangat.

Anyone heard anything?

[Inder Singh]

Sangat ji

This video of Darshan singh is an old one( about 4 months).Towrads the end of this video he is saying that banis like Jaap sahib banis were not there during Guru Gobind singh' s time.He says that As dasam granth surfaced 100 to 150 years after tenth master, these banis were not there.

nitnhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=303288431484302930&hl=enem banis and

This is an attempt to create doubt about our

amrit sanchar banis.What other proof the gurudwaras that are inviting him want?

The same thing he said openly at hamburg and is on record in the video.

[AK-47]

Quick update for the sangat.

The nutty prof left the uk for a few days as a number of his programmes in the UK had been cancelled.

However he is due back on the 22nd/23rd of this month. i.e. over the next few days.

At present he is due to speak at the Guru Nanak Darbar in Southall and at the Guru ghar in Slough.

Singhs went to visit the committee of slough last week but were unable to reach there before they all went home. However apparently Mr Bal gave reasuurance that if evidence was provided of the Prof questioning or disputing the nitnem bani's then he would cancel his programe. This has been provided by singhs on this website and will be presented to Mr Bal asap. After this the committee should have no choice but to stop the programme.

Please can other people who have contact with the memebers of the committe of the 2 above named guru ghars play them the video and audio clips and give them the evidence they are asking for. We cannot rely on them doing the research themselves, we must take the proof to them.

Any further updates will be given to the sangat as soon as they are available.

Can we also keep an eye on cross roads gurdwara in coventry as seems like some dodgy parchar could also be happening there at some point soon.

[Inder Singh]

Any news on the activites of Gur nindak. Was he smuggled in some Guru ghar by deceit?

[xHarinder_singh]

What I have heard is that he has got 2 crore indian rupees for "parchar". He is old and will die in the future but still he is doing all this. I feel the oldies with big darraas need some chittar. The youth needs to take dandaaa. Enough of debates. Dandaa he ilaaj hai.

JAI TEGA(n).

[WBA]

CHILDREN,

Well done your parents work and can afford the Internet for you !

I read this post with disgust. You are 'supposed' to be my brothers and sisters. I could really give you all a mighty Singh slap. No one is a kala-afgana unless the Akal Takht says so ! No one is anti-Gurmat unless the Akal Takht says so. Just because people dont agree with your personal views and intrepretation of Sikhi does not make them wrong.

Listen, reseach and debate with reason.

How many of you have actually read/ researched the Dasam Granth ?

Until then keep shut and let learned scholars do their pitch -in fact go down to these programmes and reason with them (with manners).

Gurdwarae should host programmes to raise Sikhi awareness. Well done to all the Gurdwaras and their managing committees who dont follow the weak. Look forward to the programmes.

IK GRANTH, IK MARYADA, IK KHALSA

[JagtarSinghKhalsa]

Quick update for the sangat.

The nutty prof left the uk for a few days as a number of his programmes in the UK had been cancelled.

However he is due back on the 22nd/23rd of this month. i.e. over the next few days.

At present he is due to speak at the Guru Nanak Darbar in Southall and at the Guru ghar in Slough.

Singhs went to visit the committee of slough last week but were unable to reach there before they all went home. However apparently Mr Bal gave reasuurance that if evidence was provided of the Prof questioning or disputing the nitnem bani's then he would cancel his programe. This has been provided by singhs on this website and will be presented to Mr Bal asap. After this the committee should have no choice but to stop the programme.

Please can other people who have contact with the memebers of the committe of the 2 above named guru ghars play them the video and audio clips and give them the evidence they are asking for. We cannot rely on them doing the research themselves, we must take the proof to them.

Any further updates will be given to the sangat as soon as they are available.

Can we also keep an eye on cross roads gurdwara in coventry as seems like some dodgy parchar could also be happening there at some point soon.

This morning I specifically asked the 'acting' Stage Secretary at Sri Guru Singh Sabha, Slough - Jaswant Singh Randhawa (AKJ) if Darshan Ragi had been booked as all bookings MUST go through the Stage Secretary. He said he was not aware of any booking.

I explained Darshan Ragis activities, but he denied any knowledge of this. Anyone that knows Jaswant Singh Randhawa of the AKJ will know he is usually very much aware of what is going on. Many remain suspicious of the activities of those that remain in the current Management Committee at Sri Guru Singh Sabha, Slough and suspect Datrshan Ragi may make an unannounced appearance.

I also pointed out the article that has appeared on Panthic Weekly:

Heretic Ragi Attempts to Spoil Gurta-Gaddi Celebrations in Europe

This is reproduced below:

It is a shame a handful of the older AKJ Singhs in Slough are propping up Mr Bal. AKJ Singhs elsewhere and the younger generation should have a word wit them - Jaswant Singh Randhawa - Acting Stage Secretary, Avtar Singh Rai - Vic President (& Acting General Secretary), Nirmal Singh Grewal (appears to be the Acting Treasurer) etc.

Heretic Ragi Attempts to Spoil Gurta-Gaddi Celebrations in Europe

(Editorial)

Friday 17th of October 2008

Editors

* Strong opposition against heretic ragi in Germany, Ireland, and the UK

* Backs off from signed Hamburg agreement

Despite the various appeals, Hukamnamas, and Gurmattas issued by Sri Akal Takht Sahib, and the warnings by virtually all Panthic organizations, the rabid Ragi Darsan Sinh, does not seem to be toning down his venomous rhetoric against the sacred banis of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib.

His latest folly included a stint in Germany, Ireland and the UK, where he was met with resistance by the Sangat that has lost most respect for the aging, mostly wheel-chair bound heretic they now denounce as a "traitor" and a RAW agent (India’s clandestine Research Analysis Wing Agency).

Various Hukamnamas and Gurmattas from Sri Akal Takht Sahib have demanded that all Sikh organizations and institutions, including specifically Ragi Darshan Sinh, not to stir up un-necessary controversy in regards to Sri Dasam Granth Sahib from any public stage or medium.

Yet, the contemptuous Ragi, who has lived off the Sikh Sangat’s donations his entire life, is now working hand-in-hand with followers of other ex-communicated heretics, such as Gurbakhsh Kala-Afghana, and Joginder Sawney (Rozana Spokesman). Giani Iqbal Singh, Takht Sri Patna Sahib Jathedar who had earlier declared Ragi a 'pakka tankhayai', and the other Jathedars, have shown extensive restraint so far--mainly due to the upcoming Gurta-Gaddi celebrations.

It seems that the Ragi has interpreted the silence of Sikh bodies as a nod to accelerate his anti-Panthic propaganda. Not too long ago in Delhi, when the Jagitri procession connected to the Gurta-Gaddi celebrations was passing through New Delhi, Ragi quickly boarded a plane to Delhi and donned a ridiculous black cloak and vowed to wear it until the Sikh Nation rejected the idea that Sri Dasam Granth was the Bani of Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

His absurd actions and words are not only misleading the innocent public, but have seemed to attract some so-called Sikh leaders who are ignorant about Gurmat and Sikh history in general. This fact became evident during the Ragi’s recent tour of Germany where he was honored by deluded representatives of Dal Khalsa, Babbar Khalsa, Student Federations, AKJ and some Akali Dal factions.

Last week, when Ragi visted Germany under the guise of celebrating the upcoming 300th anniversary of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, he misled several such ignorant, self-serving leaders and Gurdwara committee members using the absurd claim that the RSS was stirring up an enormous "conspiracy" with the aim of replacing Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji with Sri Dasam Granth and declaring the latter as the "Guru" of the Sikhs.

Due to his hateful attacks on Sri Dasam Bani, he was met with vocal opposition from the Sangat in Hamburg where he was scheduled to speak on stage at the local Gurdwara Sahib. During a meeting held at Hamburg Gurdwara Sahib, the Ragi, in the words of his mentor, Kala-Afghana, alleged that there was no proof that any of the Nitnem banis were even read by Guru Gobind Singh Ji during the 1699 Baisakhi Amrit-Sanchar.

Ragi : 'No proof 5 Nitnem Banis were ever read during first Amrit-Sanchar'

Due to Sangat’s opposition, Darshan Sinh reluctantly agreed not to stir up any further controversy on Sri Dasam Granth Sahib until the 300th Gurta-Gaddi celebrations were concluded. The agreement was signed by the Ragi and the local committee members, it is being shown below for our readers' benefit.

Agreement Signed by Ragi and Hamburg Sikhs (Page 1, Page 2)

Bhai Sukhwinder Singh, a host on UK's Akash Radio discussed the fiasco caused by Ragi Darshan Sinh on his talk show. We have provided an audio of this discussion, the Sangat can judge for themselves the mischievous agenda of the Ragi and his associates. Click to listen:

Bhai Sukhwinder Singh, Host of Akash Radio (UK)

Although Sri Akal Takht Sahib directives already forbid any criticism of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib regardless of the Gurta-Gaddi celebrations, the Ragi quickly exposed his true face when only a day after this agreement, he went against his own words and went on a radio station in the UK where he restarted his anti-Sri Dasam Granth assaults. The shameless Ragi also went on record and issued a public statement in the Kala-Afghani mouthpiece, Rozana Spokesman, that all Sikhs should boycott the upcoming celebrations at Takht Sri Hazur Sahib, in Nanded, until Sri Dasam Granth is removed from the Takht.

Sadly, several individuals claiming association with Germany’s Dal Khalsa, Babbar Khalsa and Akhand Kirtani Jatha were amongst those who showed sympathy towards Darshan Sinh’s views. When contacted by Panthic Weekly, representatives of various international units of Akhand Kirtani Jatha, including, Toronto, Canada, California, Sweden, Denmark, and France, were shocked that the organization’s name was being mis-represented by some self-serving European Sikh politicians as they were attempting to align themselves with anti-Sikh elements such as Darshan Sinh.

All different bodies of the Akhand Kirtani Jatha condemned not only Ragi Darshan Sinh but all those who offered their support to him in Germany and elsewhere. According to the representatives based in Toronto, who came down heavily on Ragi Darshan Sinh, "the Akhand Kirtani Jatha has led the fight against these nastics since the 1990’s, the Jatha initiated the challenge to the ragi at Takht Sri Damdama Sahib for an open debate with Panthic organizations, and he refused to show up for at the venue."

The Ragi has tried to promote himself as a neutral individual while he has continued to spread venom against Sri Dasam Granth. Interestingly, he has tried to win the support of leaders belonging to Akhand Kirtani Jatha and other Panthic Organizations, whereas in the past, he labeled these organizations as being RSS subsidiaries.

Several AKJ representatives hold close affiliation with the eleven member committee based in India, noted that that Jatha holds no sympathy towards the Ragi. They questioned, "Why would the Jatha now support him? He is an agent of the Indian Intelligence, and is doing exactly what they want: minimize the reverence of Sikh scriptures and divide and discredit Sikh organizations that are involved. Those who are assisting him cannot be associated with any Panthic organization."

Positively, in Ireland and the UK, the local Sangat stood unified against him, and therefore not allowed to speak at Gurgwara Guru Nakak Darbar in Dublin, and Sri Guru Singh Sabha Southall, one of the largest Gurdwara Sahibs in Europe.

"Loyal Panthic organizations... will always respect the Supreme Authority of Sri Akal Takht Sahib and the Khalsa Panth. This is what sets the Tat-Khalsa and the Malesh (pseudo) Khalsa, apart."

It is becoming increasingly clear that the raagi is out to damage Sikh interests, philosophy and history. His agenda is now no different than the likes of Kala-Afghana and Joginder Sawney. Panthic Organizations need to continue to expose him and his ilk before those claiming to represent them continue to laud him and his beliefs. Panthic Weekly will continue to update you on his escapades in the coming weeks as it seems his current stay in southall may include more preaching against Sikhi and its core beliefs.

Despite, the ongoing onslaught on the Sikh scriptures by such distractors and revisionists, our current and past history is replete of proof that loyal Panthic organizations, including the Nihang Dals, Singh Sabhas, Taksals, Semperdais, and Jathas will always respect the Supreme Authority of Sri Akal Takht Sahib and the Khalsa Panth. This is what sets the Tat-Khalsa and the Malesh (pseudo) Khalsa, apart.

[sikhlionz]

in any court in the west, ignorance is no defence. it is one thing to be ignorant of truth and falsehood, but to knowingly step on the wrong path..

there is little difference between Darshan and Gurmeet Ram Rahim in terms of what they desire for the Panth, only difference is one is doing it internally and the other externally. Gurmeet is probably doing it for the lifestyle and money, Darshan is probably doing it to help future generations of his family financially whilst settling old scores with enemies in the process.

everything he says must be replied to but from now on rather than just reacting to these madmen we need to go on the offensive and do parchaar of Sri Dasam Guru Durbar & Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj in terms of their universal message of love that crosses all boundaries.