Rituals & Ceremonies in Sikhism

[S1ngh]

oye bandra masti deh putra.. Chup kar kaey baeta reh .. vada bania modern banda.. trying to be mr. smarty pants ehh?? U don't fool me with ur sweet talk.. i know ur kinda guys....

Masti Veerjee.. if i offended you than Bhull chak keh maaf karna .. teek veerjee..

Admins can u pls keep eye on this guy??

[DhadiMania]

please people lets not start a fight here. shanti here. its waheguroo da site. lets not start fighting at such a sucha place, regardless of what was being said. say it in a nice way.

[HARJAGJEET]

RITUALS RITUALS AND RITUALS.

I HAVE GONE THROUGH THE DEBATE I HAVE MENTIONED IT AS A DEBATE AS IT APPEARS THAT EVERY ONE IS COMMITTED TO ONE'S STAND AND IS NOT WILLING TO BUDGE AN INCH.

TO ME RITUALISM IS BAD AND IS CONDEMNED BY OUR REVERRED GURUS AND THE MESSAGE IS QUITE CLEAR IN GURBANI.

BUT WHEN WE SAY RITUALS, WE MUST BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT IS A RITUAL AND WHAT IS NOT. TO ME AND I AM OF THE OPINION THAT GURBANI OR GURMAT HOLD THE SAME VIEW OR INTERPRETATION THAT ANY ACT OR KARM DONE OUT OF SHEER IGNORANCE TO ACHIEVE SOME GOAL. TEERATH YATRA OR PILGRIMAGES UNDERTAKEN JUST A MATTER OF ROUTINE WITHOUT AN INSTICT TO GET SOMETHING OUT OF THAT, WEARING SACRED THREAD WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING ITS IMPLICATIONS, PERFORMING HAVANS, FREQUENT BATHS, MUNDANS, VARIOUS RITUALS AT THE TIMES OF MARRIAGES, DEATHS ETC UNDERTKING VARIOUS FASTS, ARE RITUALS ONLY, IF WE DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE DOING AND ARE SUBJECTED TO DO.

SIMILARLY GOD FORBIDS, WHEN I SAY THAT IF WE GO TO GURDWARA, BOW TO REVERRED ADI GURU, SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB, ARRANGE AKAHND PATHS , OFFER FOOD TO GRANTHIS ETC, WITHOU AN INTENTION TO LEARN ANY THING OR GAIN ANY THING PARTICLARLY SPIRITUAL OUT OF THAT, IS A MERE RITUAL. IF ON THE OTHER HAND,WHILE PATH IS ON, WE SIT ,LISTEN AND FOLLOW WHAT THE GURBANI IS SAYING, IT CEASES TO BE A RITUAL. "GAAVIYE, SUNIYE MAN RAKIHYE BHAO' IS THE DIRECTIVE. GURBANI SAYS, AMRIT VELA SUCH NAON VADIAI VICHAR', 'RAAGI NAADI BEDI GAVEEN BAHU BHANT KAR NAHI HAR HAR BHEEJE RAM RAJE'. THERE ARE INNUMERABLE SHABDS WHICH SAY THAT WE MUST ADOPT THE SHABAD IN OUR 'HIRDAY' AND ADOPT THE SAME IN OUR LIFE. MERE RITUALISTIC OBSERVANCE WILL BE FUTILE.

UPT

O THIS LEVEL I THINK MASTI APPEARS TO BE RIGHT, BUT WHEN HE REFERS TO CERTAIN SIKH MARYADAS, HE DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. WE SHOULD KNOW THAT OURS IS A FUL FLEDGED RELIGION AND NOT ONLY RELIGION IT IS A SYSTEMIC DISCIPLINE OF LIVING A COMPLETE LIFE. WE ARE A PART OF A SOCIETY AND EVERY SOCIETY HAS ITS RULES AND REGULATIONS AND THE SAME ARE DEVISED BY SOME OF THE INTELLECTUALS OF THE SOCIETY AND WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO CONDEMN THEM OUTRIGHT.IF WE ARE INTELLIGENT ENOUGH AND IF WE THINK THAT OUR ARGUMENTS HOLD GROUND,WE CAN PLACE OUR VIEWS TO THE AUTHORITIES. SO LONG AS OUR VIEWS ARE DISCUSSED AND ACCEPTED BY THE SOCIETY, WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO SAY GOOD BYE TO THEM. WITH THE PASSAGE OF TIME. SOCIETY CHANGES AND ITS RULE ALSO ALTER, BUT ONLY AFTER DUE DELIBRATIONS. GAY MARRIAGES IN THE WEST IS THE LATEST EXAMPLE IN THIS DIRECTION.

I THINK I AM ABLE TO PUT FORWRD MY POINT AND MAY BE EXPECTING EXPERT OPINIONS ON THE SUBJECT.