Fears as soccer hooligans plan Muslim, extremist protest in Birmingham

[kpanthmovement]

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funny you believe white man wants to keep the country a free country where anyone can live...lol <br>what has muslims done to you guys that you have got so much hatred towards them? acting like all muslims are evil, whatever happened to seeing god in all??? you realize after your white man is done with muslims your <banned word filter activated> is next?<br><br>you dont have to be in uk to realize the hatred some sikhs from uk have towards muslims.

<br>Im from the uk and totaly agree. Theres a general hate of muslims just for the fact of islamaphobia. Thanks for making this point<br>'you realize after your white man is done with muslims your <banned word filter activated> is next?'<br>Some sikhs fail to realise this is the main motive of bnp(british national party) they try and trick sikhs into to coming on board, then all of sudden they will send us on the same boat <img src="style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align: middle;" emoid=" :rolleyes: " alt="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> vaheguru<br>

<br><br><br><br>Fateh!<br><br>Give me a break! Any time anybody points out that there are a large number of Muslims in the UK who want this country to be a Sharia state and non-Muslims to be considered inferior citizens of an Islamic state they get accused of Islamaphobia. <br><br>Islamaphobia is a word coined by Muslims to prevent criticism of ther Islamic Imperialist agenda. You might as well call me a Nazi-phobe because there is nothing different between political Islam and Nazi ideology. In fact, the Islamic Ottoman Empire fought <i>on the side of the Nazis</i> in the Great War.<br><br>The fact of the matter is that Muslims want to spread their religion to every country and every citizen through fair means or foul. They have already succeeded in convincing the powers that be in the UK and some ignorant dhimmis that criticising Islam is racist but when Islam criticises everybody about them that is all well and good because Islam is The One True Religion ™.<br><br>Some of you idiotic idealists sitting on your high horse outside of Canada ought to come and live in predominantly Muslim areas in the UK to see how long your Baba Khanaiya philosophy lasts when your daughters, sisters, and mothers are being sexually solicited by soolleh on a daily basis, your house and property are vandalised, your dastaar and kesh are abused, and your younger male family members are made to feel inferior and/or beaten up, and all because you are a Sikh.<br><br>It is not a case of siding with the BNP instead of becmoing the slave of Muslims as some of you seem to prefer doing, the issue is about the general populace of the UK pointing out of the media and the governments hypocritical attitude towards Muslim scum. On the one hand, they want freedom of speech and equal respect for all religions and races, on the other hand they continuously ban all criticism of Muslim violence in the UK.<br><br>The Mughals are still alive, Singho, but their war against Sikhi and all non-Muslims is now a war of words and propaganda, and I'm afraid that those of you who are ignoring the issue are just playing into their hands.<br><br>Regards,<br>K.<br>

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Hold up Singh, First of all chill out! You sure you read my post??? lol I used the term islamaphobia sarcasticly, im well aware of the fact its created by media and goverment to protect muslims from 'name calling'. What I said was there is alot of unnecessary muslim hate, some sikhs hate muslims because thats the religion on their birth certificate! Now thats unnecessary and counter-productive. Yes theres no denying they do cause problems not all though if it were all of them though otherwise we would have a muslim king and queen lol.

We are Sikhs of guru Gobind Singh Maharaj we are fearless, we don't go round hating people for the shear fact of the religon thats called <b>irrational fear. If you can't see god in all then you can't see god at all simple as. We Fight tyrants not relgious beliefs. So who ever it maybe guaranted guru ki fauj is there tyar-bar!

For example the ones in india causing us problems namely the rss, congress government,Bajrang dal- Their hindus not muslims so the arguement that muslims are the only extreme ones left on the planet does not work, we fight them because they are tyrants and their rule of tyranny, We don't go ahead and say lets hate all hindus?

No offense Intended this post is not directed at anyone, bhul chuk maaf

[proactive]

The way to look at this situation is to look back to the last few decades and see what occurred to make the situation as it is now. From the 70s to early 90s the race relations between communities was improving. In the early 90s it was Islamic extremism that sabotaged this progress. Look at any place in Britain and the less Muslims there are the better the place is and the more Muslims there are then the worst the place is. Look at the northern Muslim slums like Bradford and Dewsbury and Oldham and these places are gradually becoming virtual no go areas. Look at how Southall and other areas of west London have gone down since Muslims started to live there. How is it that if Sikhs are the majority and the Muslims a small minority there are no problems but if the situation is reversed then there are problems?

The blame for the race relations situation isn't down to the whites who for the most part have been very tolerant but with the mischief created by Muslims it is no wonder that this is now changing. The people who find in the whites no redeeming qualities and are ever ready to criticise them by bringing up the BNP or western colonialism are the worst racists. Whites have moved on and they are not all racists and pining for the return of their empire. It's about time the armchair activists moved on as well instead of constantly harping on about colonialism.

[Kaljug Singh]

It is also interesting how both of these countries were colonized, pilllaged and raped by "the white man" you speak so highly of.

Pretty much the whole of the Arab world and much of Europe was ravaged from the 8th century onwards by these Muslims whose interests you serve. Yet you would likely call me a racists for tarring Muslims with the same brush. What allows you to do the same with whitey and feel superior about your racism?

Like I said, Singh, go live in an Islamic state, or go live in Bradistan in the UK, and let's see how your idealism lasts.

K.

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Our friend had the benefits of a left wing education from a canadain university probably taught by a left wing tutor who drilled all this colonialism and white man's racism into him. He probably thinks the 7th century Arabs only left Arabia on an alturistic mission to free the common people from Byzantine and Persian oppression..lol!

Singhavelli, seriously you should read the works of Nick Cohen and Christopher Hitchens about how the left has lost its way since 9/11 and how it has become an enabler for Islamic terrorism. Here's a video of cohen talking about his book.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agQO69H7ckc

[saint-soldier]

Islamic Extremism is pursuing a similar expansionism to White Super Powers. Islamic entities are extremely blunt, where as Western Powers are very strategic and have managed to do their bidding through other means.

exactly, people here fail to realize that. they read whats in the newspapers and believe it without thinking twice.

[buddasingh]

Funny how one guy sitting in Canada makes statements about the UK without knowing anything about the situation and another guy sitting in Australia supports these ignorant statements!

Maybe the guy outside the UK sees things someone in the UK can not see as easily. Likewise, maybe the guy in the UK sees things one outside the UK can not see easily.

India in the 90s comes to mind, where they would say ‘what do those outside Punjab know about Punjab’. And there was truth to that. However, there was also truth to the opposite. Decades later those inside are Punjab are realizing history consistent with views espoused by those outside Punjab 25 years prior.

Those “guys sitting outside the UK” are your sikh bros/sis sitting within your panth. Sikhs have a powerful resource in gaining broader understandings by drawing upon other Sikhs views from around the world. We are all biased by our backgrounds including nationality. There is no simple answer to complex issues. I did appreciate Singhavelli’s comments, not because they undermine your legitimate concerns about Islam, but because they represent an important voice that remains suppressed amongst non-muslims in the UK.

It is unfathomable how the west is murdering, raping and pillaging muslim homes as we speak. Is it any wonder that Muslims seem a tad more radicalized?

Ironic analogy to the political modus operandi against Sikhs? “Strike hard against their sikhi and when they fight back with a vengeance silence them further by calling them radicals, terrorists, fundamentalists who want power via violence".

I have no doubts that the two opposing concerns are legitimate. Such problems are complex. Recognizing that fact alone is often the first critical step toward solutions.

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Buddasingh

Your comparision is not correct. For Sikhs outside Punjab, they had close family in Punjab who would have been able to provide them with the ground reality that existed there as well as personal visits by the Sikhs outside. This is not the case with our two friends in Canada and Australia. I doubt they have even read an online UK newspaper to acquaint themselves of the situation. Their naive assumptions about the situation shows just how much knowledge they have of it.

Your statement about Muslim radicalisation is a standard Muslim excuse trying to justify why Muslims amongst all the ethnic minorities in the UK are the ones who have taken part in terrorist acts and murdered their fellow citizens. If it wasn't for the coalition in Iraq and Afghanistan, the excuse for Muslim radicalisation would have been the West's support for Israel. Then again if Israel didn't exist it would have been the West's support for 'oppressive' Muslim governments in the middle east. If the West stops its support the Muslims would shift their excuse to something else all the way to the Crusades if need be!

The reason for Muslim radicalisation might in some small measure be due to the coalition in Iraq and Afghanistan but the main reason is the increase in the Muslim population through immigration. As soon as the Muslim population in a particular country reaches a critical mass then the problems really start. Here is a video of the problems caused by Muslims in Sweden. Now tell me if Swedes are also going around the Muslim world killing, raping and pillaging!