Air India Flight 182

[Amrit79]

Yess I understand what you mean

But he is still Sikh even if he's like a black stain on a white shirt. And we can't live by just ignoring that stain and saying it's not there, We got to clean it off! Closing our eyes and lying won't help. Doing something will, To clean the stain (not saying we are a bunch or lazy people )

[jgill]

Why do you think about 40% of Punjab is longer in Punjab. The people(hindu's) hate us (sikhs) the government hates us. Ever think why Sikhs are shown as jokers and tards in Bollywood movies because they are trying to put us down. And we Sikhs are to blame our self for this, We never get along with each other just gives haters a chance to take bite out of the cake. Here in Canada the Sikh media is a bunch of 10 year old's fighting with each other and blackmail one another.

I say it was the government hands down.

i better not get banned for making these comments, cause i had to make a new account with totally different name

ive bin to punjab and know many punjabi hindus in punjab and in canada, they love sikhs and many of their family's have traditions to raise their eldest son as a sikh and this tradition exsists amongst many in haryana as well

bollywood's top actors are muslims, tell me this how can you blame hindus for using bollywood to destroy the sikh image when muslims are in control of bollywood, why you think the hindutva nut jobs are so against bollywood cause they don't like seeing how hindus love muslims like salman khan shuruk khan

[jgill]

In my opinion and looking at both sides of the story, I can only conclude that Malik was apart of the bombing. I know some have come up with the theory that the Indian government did it to make the Sikhs look bad. But once you look at that angle it just doesn't add up.

The guys that did this bombing are not consider Sikh at all. Guru Sahib is completely against this kind of killing. They might have the Sikh identity and run big business, and khalsa schools, but that does not justify their wrong doing. I hope God forgives them for such a horrible crime on innocent lives.

Hey don't take my word for it do the research yourself and see what you get.

http://www.voiceonline.com/voice/070804/headline2.php

AIR INDIA INQUIRY WILL LOOK INTO TEHELKA REPORT ON TALWINDER SINGH PARMAR

The Tehelka (www.tehelka.com) report on a former Punjab police officer claiming that he arrested and interrogated prime Air India bombing suspect Talwinder Singh Parmar before he was ordered killed by senior police officials confirms what The VOICE has been saying for years:

(1) that Indian police extracted all the information they required from Parmar before killing him (and so they really didn't care what Canada did about the other alleged plotters); and

(2) that convicted bomb maker Inderjit Singh Reyat knows who the mysterious Third Man - who accompanied Parmar to his house, stayed with him and later took the bombs from him - is.

On the other hand, it is very difficult, indeed, impossible to determine what the roles of various alleged plotters were or even the true extent of their involvement because there are so many claims and counter-claims by people who say they know this or that for sure. Then there are those who want all this confusion to protect those who were really involved in the plot.

Also, it is impossible to say to what extent the Indian intelligence services and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service were involved in the plot or how much they really knew or know. Did they have a mole or moles? Who was the mole (or moles)?

Anyway, the head of the Air India inquiry, former Supreme Court justice John Major told the media that he will look into this report when the hearings resume.

The Globe and Mail's Robert Matas was the first to report about the Tehelka report on Monday.

The Tehelka report said that retired Punjab Police Deputy Superintendent of Police (DSP) Harmail Singh Chandi, who reportedly arrested Parmar in the Jammu region of the northern Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir in September, 1992, did not destroy Parmar's confession record although he was instructed to do that.

In the confession, Parmar named Lakhbir Singh Brar "Rode", nephew of Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale and head of the banned International Sikh Youth Federation, as the mastermind of the bombing. Rode, who is now believed to be in Lahore, Pakistan.

Tehelka reported that Chandi produced all the evidence - including audio-tapes - before the RCMP and the John Major inquiry commission.

So apparently he was the mysterious witness who suddenly backed out from giving evidence at the Major inquiry.

However, when you go through Parmar's confession there are some points that you need to bear in mind. Both as the son of a former Indian Police Service officer and a crime reporter with The Times of India in New Delhi, I can tell you that Indian police extract confessions by third-degree methods that are nothing but horrible torture. That's a well-known fact and that is the reason why police there often don't report an arrest (by law they must bring the arrested person before a judge within 24 hours) because they first torture the person and then wait for the marks of torture and other related physical conditions to heal. Then they register the arrest officially and bring the person before a judge. Judges, too, have been known to turn a blind eye to visible marks of torture, especially in smaller towns. The victim, too, is often too scared to talk of the torture because he fears he will be tortured again!

So Parmar's confession could have been taped only after he agreed to say certain things that the cops wanted him to say. Also, he might have deliberately misled the cops to buy time, naively thinking that being a Canadian citizen he would not be killed.

According to the Tehlka report by Vikram Jit Singh, Parmar's confession states:

"Around May 1985, a functionary of the International Sikh Youth Federation came to me and introduced himself as Lakhbir Singh and asked me for help in conducting some violent activities to express the resentment of the Sikhs. I told him to come after a few days so that I could arrange for dynamite and battery etc. He told me that he would first like to see a trial of the blast ... After about four days, Lakhbir Singh and another youth, Inderjit Singh Reyat, both came to me. We went into the jungle (of British Columbia). There we joined a dynamite stick with a battery and triggered off a blast. Lakhbir and Inderjit, even at that time, had in their minds a plan to blast an aeroplane. I was not too keen on this plan but agreed to arrange for the dynamite sticks. Inderjit wanted to use for this purpose a transistor fitted with a battery...That very day, they took dynamite sticks from me and left.

"Then Lakhbir Singh, Inderjit Singh and their accomplice, Manjit Singh, made a plan to plant bombs in an Air India (AI) plane leaving from Toronto via London for Delhi and another flight that was to leave Tokyo for Bangkok. Lakhbir Singh got the seat booking done from Vancouver to Tokyo and then onwards to Bangkok, while Manjit Singh got it done from Vancouver to Toronto and then from Toronto to Delhi. Inderjit prepared the bags for the flights, which were loaded with dynamite bombs fitted with a battery and transistor. They decided that the suitcases will be booked but they themselves will not travel by the same flights although they will take the boarding passes. After preparing these bombs, the plan was ready for execution by June 21 or 22, 1985. However, the bomb to be kept in the flight from Tokyo to Delhi via Bangkok exploded at the Narita airport on the conveyor belt. The second suitcase that was loaded on the Toronto-Delhi air flight exploded in the air."

According to the Tehelka report, Punjab Human Rights Organization (PHRO) principal investigator Sarabjit Singh said the PHRO's probe has shown that Parmar was killed to hide the name of Lakhbir, who was an Indian agent. He claimed that a plot was hatched to discredit the Sikh movement and that the Punjab Police got orders to eliminate Parmar because he knew too much about the main perpetrators.

Tehelka pointed out that although Lakhbir is accused in many acts of terrorism, he is wanted by the Indian government in only a minor case registered in Moga, Punjab.

The Globe and Mail's Robert Matas reported: "Lakhbir Singh Brar came to Canada in April, 1985, as a refugee. He was identified as a national security risk by Canada's security service and deported in the early 1990s."

Interestingly, Tehelka reported that when the police officer - Satish K. Kumar, who was a Senior Superintendent of Police at the time and is now an Inspector General of Police - who reportedly killed Parmar in an encounter, was asked about the charge that Parmar was murdered by the police, he shot back: "It was a clean encounter. The RCMP is bringing this up because they botched their investigations and failed to get convictions."

Interesting masala, eh!

[Amrit79]

I'm sorry, Your not thinking out side the box my friend...... Don't take me wrong about me saying

The earth has many layers on it before you get to the core, The core is always hidden under layers.... Just like the trust

I'm not saying the Hindu's hate us (some of them do ) I'm saying the Government dose

[Only five]

In my opinion and looking at both sides of the story, I can only conclude that Malik was apart of the bombing. I know some have come up with the theory that the Indian government did it to make the Sikhs look bad. But once you look at that angle it just doesn't add up.

The guys that did this bombing are not consider Sikh at all. Guru Sahib is completely against this kind of killing. They might have the Sikh identity and run big business, and khalsa schools, but that does not justify their wrong doing. I hope God forgives them for such a horrible crime on innocent lives.

Hey don't take my word for it do the research yourself and see what you get.

http://www.voiceonli...4/headline2.php

AIR INDIA INQUIRY WILL LOOK INTO TEHELKA REPORT ON TALWINDER SINGH PARMAR

The Tehelka (www.tehelka.com) report on a former Punjab police officer claiming that he arrested and interrogated prime Air India bombing suspect Talwinder Singh Parmar before he was ordered killed by senior police officials confirms what The VOICE has been saying for years:

(1) that Indian police extracted all the information they required from Parmar before killing him (and so they really didn't care what Canada did about the other alleged plotters); and

(2) that convicted bomb maker Inderjit Singh Reyat knows who the mysterious Third Man - who accompanied Parmar to his house, stayed with him and later took the bombs from him - is.

On the other hand, it is very difficult, indeed, impossible to determine what the roles of various alleged plotters were or even the true extent of their involvement because there are so many claims and counter-claims by people who say they know this or that for sure. Then there are those who want all this confusion to protect those who were really involved in the plot.

Also, it is impossible to say to what extent the Indian intelligence services and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service were involved in the plot or how much they really knew or know. Did they have a mole or moles? Who was the mole (or moles)?

Anyway, the head of the Air India inquiry, former Supreme Court justice John Major told the media that he will look into this report when the hearings resume.

The Globe and Mail's Robert Matas was the first to report about the Tehelka report on Monday.

The Tehelka report said that retired Punjab Police Deputy Superintendent of Police (DSP) Harmail Singh Chandi, who reportedly arrested Parmar in the Jammu region of the northern Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir in September, 1992, did not destroy Parmar's confession record although he was instructed to do that.

In the confession, Parmar named Lakhbir Singh Brar "Rode", nephew of Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale and head of the banned International Sikh Youth Federation, as the mastermind of the bombing. Rode, who is now believed to be in Lahore, Pakistan.

Tehelka reported that Chandi produced all the evidence - including audio-tapes - before the RCMP and the John Major inquiry commission.

So apparently he was the mysterious witness who suddenly backed out from giving evidence at the Major inquiry.

However, when you go through Parmar's confession there are some points that you need to bear in mind. Both as the son of a former Indian Police Service officer and a crime reporter with The Times of India in New Delhi, I can tell you that Indian police extract confessions by third-degree methods that are nothing but horrible torture. That's a well-known fact and that is the reason why police there often don't report an arrest (by law they must bring the arrested person before a judge within 24 hours) because they first torture the person and then wait for the marks of torture and other related physical conditions to heal. Then they register the arrest officially and bring the person before a judge. Judges, too, have been known to turn a blind eye to visible marks of torture, especially in smaller towns. The victim, too, is often too scared to talk of the torture because he fears he will be tortured again!

So Parmar's confession could have been taped only after he agreed to say certain things that the cops wanted him to say. Also, he might have deliberately misled the cops to buy time, naively thinking that being a Canadian citizen he would not be killed.

According to the Tehlka report by Vikram Jit Singh, Parmar's confession states:

"Around May 1985, a functionary of the International Sikh Youth Federation came to me and introduced himself as Lakhbir Singh and asked me for help in conducting some violent activities to express the resentment of the Sikhs. I told him to come after a few days so that I could arrange for dynamite and battery etc. He told me that he would first like to see a trial of the blast ... After about four days, Lakhbir Singh and another youth, Inderjit Singh Reyat, both came to me. We went into the jungle (of British Columbia). There we joined a dynamite stick with a battery and triggered off a blast. Lakhbir and Inderjit, even at that time, had in their minds a plan to blast an aeroplane. I was not too keen on this plan but agreed to arrange for the dynamite sticks. Inderjit wanted to use for this purpose a transistor fitted with a battery...That very day, they took dynamite sticks from me and left.

"Then Lakhbir Singh, Inderjit Singh and their accomplice, Manjit Singh, made a plan to plant bombs in an Air India (AI) plane leaving from Toronto via London for Delhi and another flight that was to leave Tokyo for Bangkok. Lakhbir Singh got the seat booking done from Vancouver to Tokyo and then onwards to Bangkok, while Manjit Singh got it done from Vancouver to Toronto and then from Toronto to Delhi. Inderjit prepared the bags for the flights, which were loaded with dynamite bombs fitted with a battery and transistor. They decided that the suitcases will be booked but they themselves will not travel by the same flights although they will take the boarding passes. After preparing these bombs, the plan was ready for execution by June 21 or 22, 1985. However, the bomb to be kept in the flight from Tokyo to Delhi via Bangkok exploded at the Narita airport on the conveyor belt. The second suitcase that was loaded on the Toronto-Delhi air flight exploded in the air."

According to the Tehelka report, Punjab Human Rights Organization (PHRO) principal investigator Sarabjit Singh said the PHRO's probe has shown that Parmar was killed to hide the name of Lakhbir, who was an Indian agent. He claimed that a plot was hatched to discredit the Sikh movement and that the Punjab Police got orders to eliminate Parmar because he knew too much about the main perpetrators.

Tehelka pointed out that although Lakhbir is accused in many acts of terrorism, he is wanted by the Indian government in only a minor case registered in Moga, Punjab.

The Globe and Mail's Robert Matas reported: "Lakhbir Singh Brar came to Canada in April, 1985, as a refugee. He was identified as a national security risk by Canada's security service and deported in the early 1990s."

Interestingly, Tehelka reported that when the police officer - Satish K. Kumar, who was a Senior Superintendent of Police at the time and is now an Inspector General of Police - who reportedly killed Parmar in an encounter, was asked about the charge that Parmar was murdered by the police, he shot back: "It was a clean encounter. The RCMP is bringing this up because they botched their investigations and failed to get convictions."

Interesting masala, eh!

Very interesting massala and very spicy i must say. It hard to get the true story, but come on government already blow up Akal Takht, murdered Sant Jarnail Singh ji, and thousand of Singhs, They had already targeted and started killing the Sikhs that were with Sant Jarnail Singh ji. They already acomplished around the world to say Sikhs are terrorist. After all these accomplishments hard to believe they needed to blow up two planes to label the Sikhs again as terrorist. The INdian government already accomplished what they wanted before the 1985 bombing.

[Amrit79]

Very interesting massala and very spicy i must say. It hard to get the true story, but come on government already blow up Akal Takht, murdered Sant Jarnail Singh ji, and thousand of Singhs, They had already targeted and started killing the Sikhs that were with Sant Jarnail Singh ji. They already acomplished around the world to say Sikhs are terrorist. After all these accomplishments hard to believe they needed to blow up two planes to label the Sikhs again as terrorist. The INdian government already accomplished what they wanted before the 1985 bombing.

Maybe they just wanted to add some more massala to the all ready hot fire

water for the fire ------ Perfect label to show India did it right

Head lines--before

Indian government blows up Akal Takht, murders Sant Jarnail Singh ji, and thousand of Singhs! This needs to stop now

Head lines--after

Sikhs blow two planes!!! India needs to continue there war of terror and kill all terrorist Sikhs so it will never happen again ....

[Only five]

Very interesting massala and very spicy i must say. It hard to get the true story, but come on government already blow up Akal Takht, murdered Sant Jarnail Singh ji, and thousand of Singhs, They had already targeted and started killing the Sikhs that were with Sant Jarnail Singh ji. They already acomplished around the world to say Sikhs are terrorist. After all these accomplishments hard to believe they needed to blow up two planes to label the Sikhs again as terrorist. The INdian government already accomplished what they wanted before the 1985 bombing.

Maybe they just wanted to add some more massala to the all ready hot fire

water for the fire ------ Perfect label to show India did it right

Head lines--before

Indian government blows up Akal Takht, murders Sant Jarnail Singh ji, and thousand of Singhs! This needs to stop now

Head lines--after

Sikhs blow two planes!!! India needs to continue there war of terror and kill all terrorist Sikhs so it will never happen again ....

I see where your getting at, but after 84 attack what happened??? Indira Gandhi was killed by Sikhs. Thats all the fire they need to keep the campaign of calling Sikhs terrorist and killing them.

Assination of INdira out weighs the one plane. Again things don't add up when you point fingers at the Indian government.

[S1ngh]

I see where your getting at, but after 84 attack what happened??? Indira Gandhi was killed by Sikhs. Thats all the fire they need to keep the campaign of calling Sikhs terrorist and killing them.

Assination of INdira out weighs the one plane. Again things don't add up when you point fingers at the Indian government.

Brother, First read some history books (at some simple basics) on this topic (i can suggest you some good books) and then come up here for discussion on such topics. Reason is that hundreds of members like yourself keep coming back with the same type of replies for the past 8 years.

[Only five]

I see where your getting at, but after 84 attack what happened??? Indira Gandhi was killed by Sikhs. Thats all the fire they need to keep the campaign of calling Sikhs terrorist and killing them.

Assination of INdira out weighs the one plane. Again things don't add up when you point fingers at the Indian government.

Brother, First read some history books (at some simple basics) on this topic (i can suggest you some good books) and then come up here for discussion on such topics. Reason is that hundreds of members like yourself keep coming back with the same type of replies for the past 8 years.

Sure, which books do you recommend i should read. I would be greatful for those books. Also do you live in the B.C. area. We B.Cer's know what Malik has done. It's no secret to us, since I grow up listening to what he does and even have saw with my own eyes the way he behaves.

Just send me an pm or publish it here which books you want me to read.

Thanks in advance.

[S1ngh]

Sure, which books do you recommend i should read. I would be greatful for those books. Also do you live in the B.C. area. We B.Cer's know what Malik has done. It's no secret to us, since I grow up listening to what he does and even have saw with my own eyes the way he behaves.

Just send me an pm or publish it here which books you want me to read.

Thanks in advance.

Well.. my brother, i personally don't know him nor i live in BC or in canada but i have one thing to say is that we should not blame someone or disagree with him/her just because they seem to be little different to you (whether in negative or positive way). See in this way, in reality they faced a lot of stuff against them.. media, politics and whole country (india) is against them and if i was in his place, i would probably be stiff and mad at everyone.. especially when i am loosing money on lawyers. If Canadian judicial system found them not-guilty then wouldn't it be good enough for us to consider that as truth as no one found any evidence nor clue against him/them or sikhs in general.

I will pm you the names of some good book by non-biased authors.