" Munda Southall Da " Is " Bundha Babbu Mann Da "

[jalandharsingh]

This whole issue is the creation of the so called baba. The story now is that they watched the various videos on youtube and thought that was the official video. We all know about the tirade that was then launched by Dhadrianwala and moran-wala.

moran-wala was on Punjab Radio the other day and said he spoke up for the panth (do we need a wife deserter to be a panthic spokesman?) after he was made aware of the youtube videos which he thought were the official videos. So this guy gets stroppy based on what peopel tell him without bothering to do any research. I wonder how much of his other material is just wishy washy stories without any evidence base. Again if he is a soorma let him have takar with central government and punjab sarkar.

Then we had Dhadrianwala showing krodh when he made his now infamous speach where he belittled mona, subsequently people have highlighted the sewa done for the panth by people who were monay such as Shaheed Bhai Sukh Singh Ji and Shaheed Bhai Jinda Singh Ji, also the soorme currently on trial for destroying the dirty phoola nang. Now lets Dhadrianwala release a statement taking back his words against mona especially with regards to the above mentioned panthic gems. If he has so much krodh then let him make a stand against the centre or punbjab sarkar....rather than getting Sukhbir Badal to make threats against Babbu Mann. Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji was always ready to take on the the centre and punjab sarkar.

Now we have Dhadrianwala shills telling us he has sold the Audi for the 25th anniversery of the 84 genocide. A shame that it takes an anniversery for him to sell the car, our mothers and sisters from the 84 genocide existed before the 25th anniversery and continue to exist. Let him sell the farmland he has recently bought for their benefit or will we have to wait for the 30th anniversery for him to remember them again. With the income he generates on 1 european tour he could uplift these poor widows and give them a better life. Some will say what do you do for these widows...I give what I can afford, I have no dera to build nor do I seek donations from people across the world. I applaud Dharinwala for marrying off the 105 girls but I would love for him to fill the big void currently in Sikhi and be prepared to take on the centre and tell them to take care of Tytler and co else we will and to help the victims of the 84 genocide on a larger scale.

Its also a shame that people highjack Sukhmani Sahib as a cover for these baba without even delving into the use of the Sant prefix in the time of our beloved Guru Ji. What these people need to ask is are todays 600 odd selfstyled Sant in punjab deserving of the title that was used by Guru Ji to refer to Bhagats and Guru Ji.

We all know the hyperbole and the exaggeration created by youtubers and media. It is there from where the matter became so big, and this 'Munda Southall Da' is just adding to the hate and trying to further officialise the war being between Dhadrianwale and Babbu Mann. It has not took Dhadrianwale 25 years to realise anything, Dhadrianwale talk in diwaans about 1984 frquently and a side question, how do you know they don't do anything? They do the Anand Karaj of 100 daughters EVERY year. You can hardly complain about Dhadrianwale for not doing enough, why don't you critisize other parchaaraks? Why don't you start on people like Bhai Harjinder Singh (Sri Nagar Wale), not saying that you should but I find it slightly one-sided that you only try to attack Dhadrianwale.

Only those who truly do anything will be criticised, complained about and picked on. History is witness to this. Don't forget, Sant Ranjit Singh Jee is only about 25 years of age anyway!

These daughters that are married off are also looked after by the Jathebandhi after as well. Gurdwara Parmeshar Dwar Saahib is open 24-hours a day, including service in the Langar Hall. That is not the norm in Panjab. Thousands of poor families are fed at the Gurdwara every week. A lot is being done, one needs to go to Panjab for themselves to ascertain how much one person is doing for the Panth. Sitting in foreign countries without solid information and speaking negatively about someone who is doing so much at such a young age is, to put it bluntly, shamefully foolish.

I have just been travelling in and around Patiala and Nabha so I know exactly what goes on there! Many people I spoke to were pro Dhadrianwala whilst others were anti Dhadrianwala. When I questioned them as to why they were anti they said things such as "he came to our pind in a fancy 25 lakh car, Guru Mahraj was bought to the same function on foot"...."he did not partake in langar and instead he eat his food in XYZ's kothi....even mughal shehanshah's partook langar with rest of the sangat"..."on the one hand he says he does not want any offerings to be made yet his chela spread a huge chadar for offerings"..."my aunty went to school with him and we know his history"

Let him take on the centre for their anti punjab policies and the badal clans raaj in punjab and I will be the first to back him. He is happy using the good name of Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji in programs, so let him aspire to even do 5% of what Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji did for the panth. Harjinder Singh is a commercial ragi and does not use the Sant prefix. With great prefixes such as Sant come great responsibilities, if you cant bear these responsibilities then drop the prefix. Dhadrianwala should make clear his position with regards to the threats Sukhbir Badal made to Babbu Mann and give the centre an ultimatum that either they bring tytler, nath, bhagat and co to justice or the panth will do so.

As for Major, the guy is nobody with any serious standing so let him carry on with his rubbish.

[Lion of Punjab]

I have just been travelling in and around Patiala and Nabha so I know exactly what goes on there! Many people I spoke to were pro Dhadrianwala whilst others were anti Dhadrianwala. When I questioned them as to why they were anti they said things such as "he came to our pind in a fancy 25 lakh car, Guru Mahraj was bought to the same function on foot"...."he did not partake in langar and instead he eat his food in XYZ's kothi....even mughal shehanshah's partook langar with rest of the sangat"..."on the one hand he says he does not want any offerings to be made yet his chela spread a huge chadar for offerings"..."my aunty went to school with him and we know his history"

Let him take on the centre for their anti punjab policies and the badal clans raaj in punjab and I will be the first to back him. He is happy using the good name of Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji in programs, so let him aspire to even do 5% of what Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji did for the panth. Harjinder Singh is a commercial ragi and does not use the Sant prefix. With great prefixes such as Sant come great responsibilities, if you cant bear these responsibilities then drop the prefix. Dhadrianwala should make clear his position with regards to the threats Sukhbir Badal made to Babbu Mann and give the centre an ultimatum that either they bring tytler, nath, bhagat and co to justice or the panth will do so.

As for Major, the guy is nobody with any serious standing so let him carry on with his rubbish.

what threats ?

more info pls?

[Nirvair S Khalsa]

Can those who have made allegations above that Sukhbir Badal made threats to Babbu Mann (and Sant Ranjit Singh Jee Dhadrianwale have something to do with this???) please elaborate and provide some sort of backing for this statement by way of news articles in media...etc? The present state Government, currently influenced by the RSS, have no reason to support anyone who does Panthic Parchaar, only to oppose them in the best way they can. In regards to Sant Ranjit Singh Jee making clear his position to this, firstly, why would he do this just because one person, on an internet Sikh forum, unknown, has made such a suggestion without any backing (assuming for now until reply is received)? Secondly, making requests on a forum will not do anything, the one who requests this should approach Sant Ranjit Singh Jee themselves, or if they were in Patiala, they should have gone to Gurdwara Parmeshar Dwar Saahib then and cleared whatever doubts they had about anything. Unless there is evidence of these threats (and any links to Sant Ranjit Singh Jee), then there is nothing further to be said.

[rupinder singh]

These are just internet sensationalized rumours being spread by individuals with a problem against being called RodayShoday, even though these rumour spreaders feel it appropriate that the Punjabi pop culture is promoting RodayShodaism.

As a point of reference, what is so offensive of being termed a Roday if that’s what the person has done to their kes? We talk about “garam” parchaar and yet when it’s done it’s deemed as offensive. These excuses of cars and lal batis is just a disguise to counter attack the truth that Baba Ranjit Singh says. Incidentally, during the times of Baba Isher Singh Rarewalay, the same rumours and nindya would be spread about cars, clothing and even Babaji’s shoes.

[jalandharsingh]

Can those who have made allegations above that Sukhbir Badal made threats to Babbu Mann (and Sant Ranjit Singh Jee Dhadrianwale have something to do with this???) please elaborate and provide some sort of backing for this statement by way of news articles in media...etc? The present state Government, currently influenced by the RSS, have no reason to support anyone who does Panthic Parchaar, only to oppose them in the best way they can. In regards to Sant Ranjit Singh Jee making clear his position to this, firstly, why would he do this just because one person, on an internet Sikh forum, unknown, has made such a suggestion without any backing (assuming for now until reply is received)? Secondly, making requests on a forum will not do anything, the one who requests this should approach Sant Ranjit Singh Jee themselves, or if they were in Patiala, they should have gone to Gurdwara Parmeshar Dwar Saahib then and cleared whatever doubts they had about anything. Unless there is evidence of these threats (and any links to Sant Ranjit Singh Jee), then there is nothing further to be said.

Sukhbir Badal will do anything for a few votes including selling his mother so making threats to Babbu Mann is no big thing for him. The so called ones doing Panthic Parchar were happy to call off the anti sirsa pakhandi Chandigarh morcha on Sukhbir Badals request (ask Dhuma about the meeting if you do not believe this). Did any of the so called baba dare stand and confront Sukhbir?......No, they left their morcha as soon as the meeting was over. As for visiting his dera near Patiala....no thank you I refuse to go to any dera, there are plenty of Gurdwara in Patiala district I can go to see Guru Ji!

If Dhadrianwala and the wife cheating Moranwala can make statements full of krodh after watching a few lousy home made youtube videos then I too have to provide no evidence base. The only people riled by the youtube videos were Dhadrianwala and Moronwala, at no point did they bother deciphering that the videos were home made youtube upoads. I wonder hw much of their so called panthic parchar is also based on false rumours. Was it not Dhadrianwala who was spreading lies about people who have attacked the Darbar Sahib having dies within 180 days or somthing? Only for this fairy tale to have huge holes blown in it and exposed as a lie.

You and the other Dhadrianwala fan club can carry on believing what you want. The Dhumma headed Sant Samaj have already been exposed as being influenced by the RSS and bowing to the wishes of Sukhbir Badal, Dhadrianwala also threw his lot in with Dhumma and did nto take a stand against Badal junior.

These are just internet sensationalized rumours being spread by individuals with a problem against being called RodayShoday, even though these rumour spreaders feel it appropriate that the Punjabi pop culture is promoting RodayShodaism.

As a point of reference, what is so offensive of being termed a Roday if that's what the person has done to their kes? We talk about "garam" parchaar and yet when it's done it's deemed as offensive. These excuses of cars and lal batis is just a disguise to counter attack the truth that Baba Ranjit Singh says. Incidentally, during the times of Baba Isher Singh Rarewalay, the same rumours and nindya would be spread about cars, clothing and even Babaji's shoes.

Garam parchar now is it? More like Krodh inspired statements. I guess on your say so we ignore Kaam, Krodh Lobh etc etc.

[rupinder singh]

Garam parchar now is it? More like Krodh inspired statements. I guess on your say so we ignore Kaam, Krodh Lobh etc etc.

Make valid references to your claims. The paranoia of what Baba Ranjit Singh actually said is in your own thinking and you obviously have a personal dislike of Baba Ranjit Singh, so much so you are chasing anything that adds dead weight to your hate agenda.

This typical of the kaum, to fall flat on our faces chasing hate campaigns on each other, whilst the world goes through a revolution.

[Harsimrat Singh]

Can those who have made allegations above that Sukhbir Badal made threats to Babbu Mann (and Sant Ranjit Singh Jee Dhadrianwale have something to do with this???) please elaborate and provide some sort of backing for this statement by way of news articles in media...etc? The present state Government, currently influenced by the RSS, have no reason to support anyone who does Panthic Parchaar, only to oppose them in the best way they can. In regards to Sant Ranjit Singh Jee making clear his position to this, firstly, why would he do this just because one person, on an internet Sikh forum, unknown, has made such a suggestion without any backing (assuming for now until reply is received)? Secondly, making requests on a forum will not do anything, the one who requests this should approach Sant Ranjit Singh Jee themselves, or if they were in Patiala, they should have gone to Gurdwara Parmeshar Dwar Saahib then and cleared whatever doubts they had about anything. Unless there is evidence of these threats (and any links to Sant Ranjit Singh Jee), then there is nothing further to be said.

Sukhbir Badal will do anything for a few votes including selling his mother so making threats to Babbu Mann is no big thing for him. The so called ones doing Panthic Parchar were happy to call off the anti sirsa pakhandi Chandigarh morcha on Sukhbir Badals request (ask Dhuma about the meeting if you do not believe this). Did any of the so called baba dare stand and confront Sukhbir?......No, they left their morcha as soon as the meeting was over. As for visiting his dera near Patiala....no thank you I refuse to go to any dera, there are plenty of Gurdwara in Patiala district I can go to see Guru Ji!

If Dhadrianwala and the wife cheating Moranwala can make statements full of krodh after watching a few lousy home made youtube videos then I too have to provide no evidence base. The only people riled by the youtube videos were Dhadrianwala and Moronwala, at no point did they bother deciphering that the videos were home made youtube upoads. I wonder hw much of their so called panthic parchar is also based on false rumours. Was it not Dhadrianwala who was spreading lies about people who have attacked the Darbar Sahib having dies within 180 days or somthing? Only for this fairy tale to have huge holes blown in it and exposed as a lie.

You and the other Dhadrianwala fan club can carry on believing what you want. The Dhumma headed Sant Samaj have already been exposed as being influenced by the RSS and bowing to the wishes of Sukhbir Badal, Dhadrianwala also threw his lot in with Dhumma and did nto take a stand against Badal junior.

These are just internet sensationalized rumours being spread by individuals with a problem against being called RodayShoday, even though these rumour spreaders feel it appropriate that the Punjabi pop culture is promoting RodayShodaism.

As a point of reference, what is so offensive of being termed a Roday if that's what the person has done to their kes? We talk about "garam" parchaar and yet when it's done it's deemed as offensive. These excuses of cars and lal batis is just a disguise to counter attack the truth that Baba Ranjit Singh says. Incidentally, during the times of Baba Isher Singh Rarewalay, the same rumours and nindya would be spread about cars, clothing and even Babaji's shoes.

Garam parchar now is it? More like Krodh inspired statements. I guess on your say so we ignore Kaam, Krodh Lobh etc etc.

Veer Ji, I can see that you are not completely biased as you did admit to the good deed of the wedding of 100s of daughters, however, you must see the truth, and that is the reason for the persistence. Dhadrianwale did not speak out of krodh in my opinion, Dhadrianwale were merely trying to express a different view. You cannot observe every small aspect and critisize at every oppurtunity, it is not wise to pick on small things (in this situation), look at the picture as a whole.

[jalandharsingh]

Can those who have made allegations above that Sukhbir Badal made threats to Babbu Mann (and Sant Ranjit Singh Jee Dhadrianwale have something to do with this???) please elaborate and provide some sort of backing for this statement by way of news articles in media...etc? The present state Government, currently influenced by the RSS, have no reason to support anyone who does Panthic Parchaar, only to oppose them in the best way they can. In regards to Sant Ranjit Singh Jee making clear his position to this, firstly, why would he do this just because one person, on an internet Sikh forum, unknown, has made such a suggestion without any backing (assuming for now until reply is received)? Secondly, making requests on a forum will not do anything, the one who requests this should approach Sant Ranjit Singh Jee themselves, or if they were in Patiala, they should have gone to Gurdwara Parmeshar Dwar Saahib then and cleared whatever doubts they had about anything. Unless there is evidence of these threats (and any links to Sant Ranjit Singh Jee), then there is nothing further to be said.

Sukhbir Badal will do anything for a few votes including selling his mother so making threats to Babbu Mann is no big thing for him. The so called ones doing Panthic Parchar were happy to call off the anti sirsa pakhandi Chandigarh morcha on Sukhbir Badals request (ask Dhuma about the meeting if you do not believe this). Did any of the so called baba dare stand and confront Sukhbir?......No, they left their morcha as soon as the meeting was over. As for visiting his dera near Patiala....no thank you I refuse to go to any dera, there are plenty of Gurdwara in Patiala district I can go to see Guru Ji!

If Dhadrianwala and the wife cheating Moranwala can make statements full of krodh after watching a few lousy home made youtube videos then I too have to provide no evidence base. The only people riled by the youtube videos were Dhadrianwala and Moronwala, at no point did they bother deciphering that the videos were home made youtube upoads. I wonder hw much of their so called panthic parchar is also based on false rumours. Was it not Dhadrianwala who was spreading lies about people who have attacked the Darbar Sahib having dies within 180 days or somthing? Only for this fairy tale to have huge holes blown in it and exposed as a lie.

You and the other Dhadrianwala fan club can carry on believing what you want. The Dhumma headed Sant Samaj have already been exposed as being influenced by the RSS and bowing to the wishes of Sukhbir Badal, Dhadrianwala also threw his lot in with Dhumma and did nto take a stand against Badal junior.

These are just internet sensationalized rumours being spread by individuals with a problem against being called RodayShoday, even though these rumour spreaders feel it appropriate that the Punjabi pop culture is promoting RodayShodaism.

As a point of reference, what is so offensive of being termed a Roday if that's what the person has done to their kes? We talk about "garam" parchaar and yet when it's done it's deemed as offensive. These excuses of cars and lal batis is just a disguise to counter attack the truth that Baba Ranjit Singh says. Incidentally, during the times of Baba Isher Singh Rarewalay, the same rumours and nindya would be spread about cars, clothing and even Babaji's shoes.

Garam parchar now is it? More like Krodh inspired statements. I guess on your say so we ignore Kaam, Krodh Lobh etc etc.

Veer Ji, I can see that you are not completely biased as you did admit to the good deed of the wedding of 100s of daughters, however, you must see the truth, and that is the reason for the persistence. Dhadrianwale did not speak out of krodh in my opinion, Dhadrianwale were merely trying to express a different view. You cannot observe every small aspect and critisize at every oppurtunity, it is not wise to pick on small things (in this situation), look at the picture as a whole.

Veer Ji,

I am biased in that I say keep away from Dera and follow no one but Dhan Dhan Guru Ji. I am not a mona but look at all the videos on youtube from mona who have been angered by what they also felt was krodh. There are more pressing issues for the panthic agenda than some youtube video. Take a step back listen to the song and then listen to what the likes of Dhadrianwala and the wife deserter (moronwala) said. There are plenty of other self styled Sants whom not only have lall batti on the car but are always accompanied by Punjab Police gunmen as well, it is them who should have felt the song was aimed at them. So why did Dhadrianwala react in such a way? also the wife deserter himself thought the song was aimed at Dhadrianwala.

The wife deserter also keeps going on about babbu mann attacking the kar sewa wale, I have been of the view for years that they have destroyed our heritage in league with the RSS so they can achieve their agenda of projecting Sikhs as a sect of Hinduism. I could give hundreds of examples where our historical Gurdwara have been replaced by white marbled buildings (most hindu mandirs also have this cheap white marble). Important historical structures such as the Thanda Burj at Sirhind were completely destroyed by so called kar sewa wale baba. The same baba happily oversea the practice of buying thousands of extra bags of cement every week for subsidised prices which they then sell on for personal gain.

[mala]

Veer Ji,

I am biased in that I say keep away from Dera and follow no one but Dhan Dhan Guru Ji. I am not a mona but look at all the videos on youtube from mona who have been angered by what they also felt was krodh. There are more pressing issues for the panthic agenda than some youtube video. Take a step back listen to the song and then listen to what the likes of Dhadrianwala and the wife deserter (moronwala) said. There are plenty of other self styled Sants whom not only have lall batti on the car but are always accompanied by Punjab Police gunmen as well, it is them who should have felt the song was aimed at them. So why did Dhadrianwala react in such a way? also the wife deserter himself thought the song was aimed at Dhadrianwala.

The wife deserter also keeps going on about babbu mann attacking the kar sewa wale, I have been of the view for years that they have destroyed our heritage in league with the RSS so they can achieve their agenda of projecting Sikhs as a sect of Hinduism. I could give hundreds of examples where our historical Gurdwara have been replaced by white marbled buildings (most hindu mandirs also have this cheap white marble). Important historical structures such as the Thanda Burj at Sirhind were completely destroyed by so called kar sewa wale baba. The same baba happily oversea the practice of buying thousands of extra bags of cement every week for subsidised prices which they then sell on for personal gain.

Oh Come on my friend! Don't pretend you didn't want the song to be directly aimed at Baba Ranjit Singh. Stop being all humble and innocent in this, you have been one of the main stirrers in this. You have dug and dug into each lyric and made some link to all the high profile Babay who you hate. If it wasn't the red light, I'm sure you would have still made sure you linked it to Baba Ranjit Singh and kept pointing your fat judgemental onglee at him!

[jalandharsingh]

Veer Ji,

I am biased in that I say keep away from Dera and follow no one but Dhan Dhan Guru Ji. I am not a mona but look at all the videos on youtube from mona who have been angered by what they also felt was krodh. There are more pressing issues for the panthic agenda than some youtube video. Take a step back listen to the song and then listen to what the likes of Dhadrianwala and the wife deserter (moronwala) said. There are plenty of other self styled Sants whom not only have lall batti on the car but are always accompanied by Punjab Police gunmen as well, it is them who should have felt the song was aimed at them. So why did Dhadrianwala react in such a way? also the wife deserter himself thought the song was aimed at Dhadrianwala.

The wife deserter also keeps going on about babbu mann attacking the kar sewa wale, I have been of the view for years that they have destroyed our heritage in league with the RSS so they can achieve their agenda of projecting Sikhs as a sect of Hinduism. I could give hundreds of examples where our historical Gurdwara have been replaced by white marbled buildings (most hindu mandirs also have this cheap white marble). Important historical structures such as the Thanda Burj at Sirhind were completely destroyed by so called kar sewa wale baba. The same baba happily oversea the practice of buying thousands of extra bags of cement every week for subsidised prices which they then sell on for personal gain.

Oh Come on my friend! Don't pretend you didn't want the song to be directly aimed at Baba Ranjit Singh. Stop being all humble and innocent in this, you have been one of the main stirrers in this. You have dug and dug into each lyric and made some link to all the high profile Babay who you hate. If it wasn't the red light, I'm sure you would have still made sure you linked it to Baba Ranjit Singh and kept pointing your fat judgemental onglee at him!

Dhadrianwala himself linked the song to himself based on viewing one of those dodgy youtube videos, the wife deserter has in an interview last week confirmed that he thought it was aimed at Dhadrianwala because someone showed him "the bideo" on the internet.

Where have I dug into the lyrics? I have simply given the other side of the story especially where the wife deserter has showboated as a panthic spokesperson. Let the wife deserter and Dhadrianwala use stage time to take on the centre or the badals, then I will applaud them. If these so called "Sant" run away from Chandigarh on the insistance of Badal Junior then I for one will point finger and ask questions.

Au Revoir.