Khalistan

[Wales85]

Your the man. You totally clarified a point that I asked... read this after I made last post. This type of eye for an eye is A ok... its called justice. The other eye for an eye is terrorism... and that is FUBAR. .

Thanks man,

Wales

[Guest shastr]

oh, no problem. glad you got the answer you were looking for. any other questions you might have? or other issue that might concern you bro?

[Mehtab Singh]

You also need to remember another very important thing Wales. Sikhs have never resorted to picking up arms without first paying a heavy price, or making a massive sacrifice. It was only after the martyrdom of the fifth Guru, Sahib Sri Arjan Dev Ji Maharaj, that the sixth Guru, Sahib Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji Maharaj instructed Sikhs to raise arms against tyranny and oppression. It was only after the martyrdom of the ninth Guru, Sahib Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji Maharaj, that the tenth Guru, Sahib-E-Kamaal Dasmesh Pita Kalgidhar Shahenshah Sarbans Daani Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj ordered Sikhs to carry weapons. Problems in Punjab in the early 80s began only after the martyrdom of 13 Singhs in April 1978, and 2 events of 1984, namely Operation Bluestar in June and the widespread carnage of Sikhs in November after the assassination of Indira Gandhi was enough to blow things up beyond control. The Air India bombing which we've been discussing was blamed on Sikhs, but as suggested above, a book called "Soft Target" exposes the truth behind it. The present Indian Prime Minister who wears a turban and makes the world think he is a Sikh was shameless enough to tell the Sikhs to forget about 1984 and move on, however, in the past 2 weeks, on 2 occasions he has expressed his concern over "anti-India" and "Khalistani" activities in Canada, and has spoken twice to the Canadian premier about it. This is hypocrisy at its best, where on one hand you want people to forget the murder of 5000 plus innocents, yet you are yourself unable to forget the murder of 329 innocents, just because their murder bothers you more than that of those 5000. Its NOT a number game here, its picking sides which is the reflection of dirty Indian politics.

[Wales85]

oh, no problem. glad you got the answer you were looking for. any other questions you might have? or other issue that might concern you bro?

No man, im good thank you. I think I get the picture. Didn't know so I thought I would ask... only way I am gonna find out.

To previous poster I apologize for calling it riots, I will use the term genocide in any future discussion. Just didn't know.

Just saw all that stuff and got freaked out. I don't want to raise my kids in any religion that justifies the killing of innocent people for whatever reason or has problem with militancy.

Sikhi doesn't do that (except for fringe groups, like any religion)... I realize that now.. sorry for any offense but didn't know so had to ask.

Thanks,

Wales

[Wales85]

You also need to remember another very important thing Wales. Sikhs have never resorted to picking up arms without first paying a heavy price, or making a massive sacrifice. It was only after the martyrdom of the fifth Guru, Sahib Sri Arjan Dev Ji Maharaj, that the sixth Guru, Sahib Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji Maharaj instructed Sikhs to raise arms against tyranny and oppression. It was only after the martyrdom of the ninth Guru, Sahib Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji Maharaj, that the tenth Guru, Sahib-E-Kamaal Dasmesh Pita Kalgidhar Shahenshah Sarbans Daani Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj ordered Sikhs to carry weapons. Problems in Punjab in the early 80s began only after the martyrdom of 13 Singhs in April 1978, and 2 events of 1984, namely Operation Bluestar in June and the widespread carnage of Sikhs in November after the assassination of Indira Gandhi was enough to blow things up beyond control. The Air India bombing which we've been discussing was blamed on Sikhs, but as suggested above, a book called "Soft Target" exposes the truth behind it. The present Indian Prime Minister who wears a turban and makes the world think he is a Sikh was shameless enough to tell the Sikhs to forget about 1984 and move on, however, in the past 2 weeks, on 2 occasions he has expressed his concern over "anti-India" and "Khalistani" activities in Canada, and has spoken twice to the Canadian premier about it. This is hypocrisy at its best, where on one hand you want people to forget the murder of 5000 plus innocents, yet you are yourself unable to forget the murder of 329 innocents, just because their murder bothers you more than that of those 5000. Its NOT a number game here, its picking sides which is the reflection of dirty Indian politics.

Thanks for the reply.

I did not know any of that. I realize my ignorance on this matter... to be honest I was just trying to determine if sikhi justified killing innocents for religion. I realize I was way off base. The plight of sikh people is very important, I just don't know much about it. Again, apologies if my ignorance comes off as being a <banned word filter activated>.

-W

[Guest shastr]

wales, you dont have to be sorry for anything. you simply didnt know the facts. and also, to be honest, you dont have to worry about rasing ur kids up in a religion with militancy or killing or wat ever you want to call it, becasue majority of sikhs right now are the same way. if you speak to any of the people who saw 1984, they will all tell you the same thing, they dont want to see it happen again.

theres a saying, "let the lions worry about doing the hunting" i think ur smart enough to figure it out.

but one bit of advice, dont believe anything you see put up by indian officials, or gov. against sikhs or sikh history. theres a 99.9% chance that its false.

[apnepart2]

The basic teachings of Sikhism are

1. Worship on Gods name

2. Live by earning through honest means.

3. Share your good fortune with others.

[Only five]

Khalistan is not an issue is Canada. And Air India bombing has and always will be condemned by the Sikhs. There is no justification for killing any innocent person, in Sikhi and is wrong. It's the other way around, save the innocent and put your own life at risk.

Not a single Sikh in all of history has killed an innocent to even recieve a penny.

(though we as sikhs deny it there are terrorist elements in sikhi as there is in all religions)

adhyatmic, where is this coming from? You need to explain this so others can understand your point here, which in my mind is absolutely false.

[GPS]

After consisitent attacks on Dasam Granth by many rogue khalistanis such as dal khalsa, Counicl of khalistan,

Khailstan calling, sikh youth of America etc this movement has been maligned.

This is no more issue before us as the movement has been hijacked by rogues who have no love for sikhism.

[apnepart2]

GPS so do u think the dream of Khalistan is Dead for Sikhs? and is used now only for propaganda purposes or to garner votes for gurdwara politics and money?