Mma In Smethwick

[yubacitysingh]

Ninjitsu doesnt work ? lol...you obviously are confused between "sport" martial arts and true combat arts. Ninjitsu in it's pure form is a pure killing art battlefild proven in ancient Japan. on the battlefield there are no rules, there is no banned strikes or banned weapons....UFC is and always will be a rules driven "sport" it is not combat...UFC refused to let the Dog Brothers (stick fighting) get involved with UFC because they thought it was "too extreme"....lol.. So much for UFC being a hardcore art..."sticks are too brutal"... Do a google on Dog Brothers UFC you'll see the official UFC letter,

A complete combat art requires knowledge of hands free combat, vital strking points on the body, ground fighting, fighting mutiples, strategy, tactics, weaponry skills bladed/non bladed, formation fighting etc...The object is to Destroy or incaacitate the enemy in the fast most effective way...this may mean breaking joints, chopping tendons/muscles, gouging eyes.

Krav Maga also may be effective but it's been developed by copying/ripping-off/incorporating things from other martial arts..it's not a pure art it has no real history..

There are very few "real" combat arts, and even fewer teachers who will be willing to teach you due to their secretive nature.

Anyway there is no point in arguing over such things...Bottom line is everyone should learn how to defend themselves should the need arise, so get yourselves involved in learning an art.

their's things we learn in mma that we can't use in competition do to regulations, trust me you don't know smack if your going to try judging mma and tell me this is that why no ninjitsu fighter or kung fu artist or aikido artist an all the other martial arts failed in the ufc in the 90's, the ufc has to have rules to make it a sport and not street fighting, mma is a sport but their things you learn in mma that you can't use in competition cause otherwise the sport of mma would be banned, ufc needs rules or it woudl be banned, look at how hard ufc had to fight to get regulated in bc

dude you can say what ever you like, in the 90's most these martial arts failed in the ufc for a reason, mma and krav mega are the most modern and effective styles of fighting for today's world

mma has evolved more in past 10 years then martial arts have in past 2000 years, if these kung fu masters didn't survive in 90's they'll definitily not last longer then 20 seconds in the octogan thats a fact

[yubacitysingh]

another thing WHY ARE SOME OF YOU TO SCARED TO TRAIN WITH NON SIKHS, don't get into the sport of mma if your to scared to train with anyone else, plus get into the best gym with the best trainers cause their our mma schools out their that our just waste of time and money, join an mma school that has fighters competing profesionally, ppl with experience, im lucky i get to train out of a gym with guys from strikeforce k1 an ex pride fighter and some king of the cage fighters, go find the best gym and do your research

[yubacitysingh]

Ninjitsu doesnt work ? lol...you obviously are confused between "sport" martial arts and true combat arts. Ninjitsu in it's pure form is a pure killing art battlefild proven in ancient Japan. on the battlefield there are no rules, there is no banned strikes or banned weapons....UFC is and always will be a rules driven "sport" it is not combat...UFC refused to let the Dog Brothers (stick fighting) get involved with UFC because they thought it was "too extreme"....lol.. So much for UFC being a hardcore art..."sticks are too brutal"... Do a google on Dog Brothers UFC you'll see the official UFC letter,

A complete combat art requires knowledge of hands free combat, vital strking points on the body, ground fighting, fighting mutiples, strategy, tactics, weaponry skills bladed/non bladed, formation fighting etc...The object is to Destroy or incaacitate the enemy in the fast most effective way...this may mean breaking joints, chopping tendons/muscles, gouging eyes.

Krav Maga also may be effective but it's been developed by copying/ripping-off/incorporating things from other martial arts..it's not a pure art it has no real history..

There are very few "real" combat arts, and even fewer teachers who will be willing to teach you due to their secretive nature.

Anyway there is no point in arguing over such things...Bottom line is everyone should learn how to defend themselves should the need arise, so get yourselves involved in learning an art.

if ur saying is true care to explain why no one from any other martial arts survived in the ufc in the 90's, thanks to the ufc once again through competition we got to see what works and what doesn't, ninjitsu failed, 90% of the martial arts out their failed, why you think ufc was started in the 90's with only like 3 rules, it was to see which martial art worked the best

and lets not forget about pride were you had less ruled then ufc, you could stomp on a guys head in pride, all these other martial arts failed these guys got raped in pride

[Cisco_Singh]

<br />if ur saying is true care to explain why no one from any other martial arts survived in the ufc in the 90's, thanks to the ufc once again through competition we got to see what works and what doesn't, ninjitsu failed, 90% of the martial arts out their failed, why you think ufc was started in the 90's with only like 3 rules, it was to see which martial art worked the best<br /><br />and lets not forget about pride were you had less ruled then ufc, you could stomp on a guys head in pride, all these other martial arts failed these guys got raped in pride<br />

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- Ok you still seem to be blurring the lines here between a Martial Art and a sport/competition art.

Martial Arts are lethal combat forms using any means/weaponry possible "combat which leads to death or compelte incapatiion of the enemy". True warriors dont fight with rules, There is of cource protocol but no banned strikes no banned weapons.

- The Octagon is a rules driven sport arena, The street, battlfiefield or warzone has no rules...Give a "proper" ninjitsu practioner weaponry and no-holds barred street environment (not the octagon) and it would be a different story. You have probably never seen a real puratan combat art form hence you are finding it difficult to compare the two.. Krav Maga like I said borrows much from other martial arts especially Panantukan.dirty boxing etc..it's not an original art...furthemore it has been watered down greatly...if you want to learn real Krav Maga...you need to learn from ex-isreali soldiers. Not the commercialised classes.

- Does MMA teach any weaponry skills ? Blade skills, Sticks, etc ?? Add weapons and the whole game changes completely.

- Does MMA teach you how to fight against multiple attackers (not a 1 on 1 ring environment), or how to fight in multiples ?

- Higher level arts involve strategy, tactics it's a whole different mindset...

Look up hadh-torh/bone breaking challenge on the Shastar-Vidiya webiste, this will give you an insight into how real combat arts practioners would test their skills against other fighters... it's very different from UFC.

I agree UFC has to abide by laws and regualtions and has to have rules otherwise it will never be allowed on TV etc...

- I recommed you go have a look at some of the Filipino Arts Panantukan, Kali, Eskrima. Theres a guy in the Midlands Coventry who is good Andre Martin, trained under Dan Inosanto Academy (Dan Inosanto trained under Bruce Lee as well as others.).

- Also go and check out Niddar Singhs Akhara.

- Find a "real" Ninjitsu school/teacher.

You'll soon seen the differences. Go and have a look, carry on with the MMA stuff as well, but realise...when you havent see the real combat arts you cant make statements like MMA is the best and nothing else works etc.. The majority of martial arts have been watered down so much they have lost there original lethal effectiveness, they have been changed into sport arts for showcases and demonstrations..

[yubacitysingh]

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- Ok you still seem to be blurring the lines here between a Martial Art and a sport/competition art.

Martial Arts are lethal combat forms using any means/weaponry possible "combat which leads to death or compelte incapatiion of the enemy". True warriors dont fight with rules, There is of cource protocol but no banned strikes no banned weapons.

- The Octagon is a rules driven sport arena, The street, battlfiefield or warzone has no rules...Give a "proper" ninjitsu practioner weaponry and no-holds barred street environment (not the octagon) and it would be a different story. You have probably never seen a real puratan combat art form hence you are finding it difficult to compare the two.. Krav Maga like I said borrows much from other martial arts especially Panantukan.dirty boxing etc..it's not an original art...furthemore it has been watered down greatly...if you want to learn real Krav Maga...you need to learn from ex-isreali soldiers. Not the commercialised classes.

- Does MMA teach any weaponry skills ? Blade skills, Sticks, etc ?? Add weapons and the whole game changes completely.

- Does MMA teach you how to fight against multiple attackers (not a 1 on 1 ring environment), or how to fight in multiples ?

- Higher level arts involve strategy, tactics it's a whole different mindset...

Look up hadh-torh/bone breaking challenge on the Shastar-Vidiya webiste, this will give you an insight into how real combat arts practioners would test their skills against other fighters... it's very different from UFC.

I agree UFC has to abide by laws and regualtions and has to have rules otherwise it will never be allowed on TV etc...

- I recommed you go have a look at some of the Filipino Arts Panantukan, Kali, Eskrima. Theres a guy in the Midlands Coventry who is good Andre Martin, trained under Dan Inosanto Academy (Dan Inosanto trained under Bruce Lee as well as others.).

- Also go and check out Niddar Singhs Akhara.

- Find a "real" Ninjitsu school/teacher.

You'll soon seen the differences. Go and have a look, carry on with the MMA stuff as well, but realise...when you havent see the real combat arts you cant make statements like MMA is the best and nothing else works etc.. The majority of martial arts have been watered down so much they have lost there original lethal effectiveness, they have been changed into sport arts for showcases and demonstrations..

actually many mma gyms do train for multiple attackers, one saying at our gym i believe which was copied from gsp was if you train to fight an army of men what is one man to you, if you can last one whole year training 5 days a week you will change into a whole new person

and yes mma doesn't train you for weapons thats why i say krav mega, and yes you have to have a proper krave mega instructor perferably ex isreali soldier with real life experience, thats why i also mentioned its important to pick the right mma gym with profesional fighters who actually compete rather then some other mma gyms which is a waste of time and money, same thing with krav mega, but for hand to hand combat mma is at the top and nothing comes close no other martial art comes close to mma, competition is only way we get to see what works and what doesn't

but for straight hand to hand combat mma is the best thing you can learn nothing else comes close

for weapons fighting krav mega and nothing comes close

and all martial arts that have developed including brazilion ji jitsu evolved out many other martial arts, were the took the best aspects from these martial arts changed them to fit the modern day, krave mega evolved took the best aspects from many martial arts changed them to fit the modern day, hence why mma and krav mega our the most evolved and best martial arts to learn

krav mega is used by isreali military every day, they have to deal with guns knives and militants

if someone doesn't want to learn mma the only other good thing to learn is boxing, but many good mma gyms have boxing cause boxing is a very important aspect in mma as well

[SikhSoulja]

krav mega is for street fighting its what the isreali army uses every day when on patrol, its for modern day combat

dude i train in mma and one of my close friends who inspires me to train including others i train with have taken up jobs as bouncers were they deal with drunks and guys on coke and other drugs and weapons, i saw my buddy whose a 140 pound doorman put a guy who was itleast 290 pounds through a table head first, just messed him up, alot of nightclubs now arnt' hiring big steroid monkey's alot of them our hiring guys out of mma gyms to be doormen now, cause big steroid monkey's only have size were as these guys who train out of mma gyms and compete can drop anyone cause they train every day in true combat

and no its not a myth pushed on students, thanks to ufc and other mma organisations we got to see what worked and what didn't in the 90's were you saw kung fu world champions getting destroyed by ncaa wrestlers and by ninja 6th degree getting killed by muay thai fighters, thats how mma evolved and why mma consists of muay thai boxing ji jitsu wrestling judo

but kung fu and ninjitsu and this other stuff doesn't work in a street fight thats true

Fateh ji, SherePunjab93, you seem to post alot of stuff in regards to fighting/SP etc. If your a Sikh, why in the hell would you want to be a bouncer of a nightclub? I agree about Sikhs needing to learn skills to develop there 'SELF DEFENCE' which is what some people seem to be forgetting. We are the Son's and Daughters of Guru Gobind Singh ji, we only strike when all other means have failed. Also learning is one thing, the real thing is totally different. All i am saying yes there is a need to learn but we need to learn for the right reasons, not use it to make people fear us, do you think the moghuls feared the Sikhs because of their skills, remember the moghuls were also skilled in the art of war, the skill the sikhs had above everyone was they were fearless due to BANI and BANA.

Bhul Chuk Maafi Karni

[caveman]

Fateh ji, SherePunjab93, you seem to post alot of stuff in regards to fighting/SP etc. If your a Sikh, why in the hell would you want to be a bouncer of a nightclub? I agree about Sikhs needing to learn skills to develop there 'SELF DEFENCE' which is what some people seem to be forgetting. We are the Son's and Daughters of Guru Gobind Singh ji, we only strike when all other means have failed. Also learning is one thing, the real thing is totally different. All i am saying yes there is a need to learn but we need to learn for the right reasons, not use it to make people fear us, do you think the moghuls feared the Sikhs because of their skills, remember the moghuls were also skilled in the art of war, the skill the sikhs had above everyone was they were fearless due to BANI and BANA.

Bhul Chuk Maafi Karni

Whats wrong with being a bouncer???? nothing wrong with it.

You say we only strike when all other means have failed, so you would try to talk it out with someone who's being aggressive with you and is about to strike you? then you would strike if they hit you? ask any martial artist if someone is being aggressive towards you and its likely they will try to attack you they would finish it right then, taking the person out straight away. Martial Artists and even your average joe wont wait till they get hit then to fight back, its all about survival.

I think you should refer to jangnama, yes bana and bani is important so is training in vidiya.

"Do not call the dogs (the Sikhs) dogs, because they are lions (and) are courageous like lions in the battlefield. How can a hero, who roars like a lion be called a dog? (Moreover) like lions they spread terror in the field of battle. If you wish to learn the art of war, come face to face with them in the battlefield. They will demonstrate it (art of war) to you in such a way that one and all will shower praise on them.

http://www.sikhawareness.com//index.php?showtopic=12806

just my two cents.

[s50]

Only through bhagti the sikhs won their jangs, they did do vidiya. But is was Naam/Banee that is the core strength

Sri Guru Dashmesh Patshah’s Khanda Philosophy

By Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh in “Gurmat Vichaar”

The fearless state of “parupkaar” or beneficence is the pinnacle of naam maha-ras kamaiee. Only after reaching this state can someone be a par-upkaari (person dedicated to help others). Those whose spiritual state, through the power of meditation and baani, becomes such that it is beyond the body; those who make their jeevan rise above the self with spiritual power; those who are intoxicated with naam ras and have transcended their body and whose personal bhagti kamaiee is such that:

ਕਬੀਰਤੂੰਤੂੰਕਰਤਾਤੂਹੂਆਮੁਝਮਹਿਰਹਾਨਹੂੰ ॥

ਜਬਆਪਾਪਰਕਾਮਿਟਿਗਇਆਜਤਦੇਖਉਤਤਤੂ ॥੨੦੪॥

The meaning of the above vaak applies to them; those in whose every pore chardi kala bir ras is rising in waves, only that person can be a par-upkaari. The meaning of having this bir ras for par-upkaar is that if in front of them there are atrocities being inflicted on the weak, dharma is being insulted, injustice and tyranny are happening, they will have the instinct to protect the weak and defend the faith. But in this instinct, there is not even a trace of enemity or anger or ego. This instinct is the desire to sacrifice the body, mind, wealth and everything else. Only then can we know that true bir ras for par-upkaar has been born.

As this bir ras works inside, the naam khanda begins to vibrate with double the intensity. Inside this naam khanda is beating and outside, the sarblohi khanda is moving and destroying the tyrants and opposition. The internal connection to naam is not broken for even an instant: this is the mark of a bir-ras coloured par-upkaari warrior.

Sri Dashmesh jee says the following about this avastha:

ਧੰਨਜੀਓਤਿਹਕੋਜਗਮੈਮੁਖਤੇਹਰਿਚਿੱਤਮੈਜੁਧੁਬਿਚਾਰੈ ॥

ਦੇਹਅਨਿੱਤਨਨਿੱਤਰਹੈਜਸੁਨਾਵਚੜੈਭਵਸਾਗਰਤਾਰੈ ॥

ਧੀਰਜਧਾਮਬਨਾਇਇਹੈਤਨਬੁੱਧਿਸੁਦੀਪਕਜਿਉਉਜੀਆਰੈ ॥

ਗਯਾਨਹਿਕੀਬਢਨੀਮਨਹੁਹਾਥਲੈਕਾਤਰਤਾਕੁਤਵਾਰਬੁਹਾਰੈ ॥੨੪੯੨॥

The par-upkaari warrior has no fear of death and doesn’t care about dying. He is not afraid of an army of hundreds of thousands facing him. He is jeevan mukat and those whom he dispatches with his sword, he gives them the sherbet of shahidi and makes them immortal. He then himself becomes a shahid. No one dies by his hand, instead, those who become a sacrifice for his Sri Sahib become immortal. It is for this reason that whenever any soldier in the opposing army was pierced by Sri Dashmesh jee’s arrow he would say “vah vah” and go into bliss, regardless of if he was Hindu or Muslim.

Tasting the shahidi ras of Baba Deep Singh jee’s khanda, even those hearts burnt by hatred and enmity became cool and calm.

Shahid Baba Deep Singh’s head was separated from his body, but the smiling and glowing face with its calmness remained unchanged. Having completed this game of sacrifice Baba jee’s head rested on his left hand and watching the Hola of Shahidi around him. The headless body was still swinging the khanda and dispatching hundreds to death. No! No! Giving them a taste of shahidi sherbet! News of this is spreading far and wide and as a result the enemy army is scattering like ants in an instant. History is witness to this and Baba jee’s name will remain for ages to come.

This is one example of the warrior spirit of the Guru-ghar’s par-upkaar incarnate servants. This example is enough to demonstrate the bir-rasi parupkari’s shaant ras (calm) avastha. This is the ideal of the bir-ras and shaant-ras Gurmat parupkar.

The meaning of this is that only those beloved Gurmukhs who rise above the body, walk with their head on their palm, with unbreakable connections (to naam) can become parupkaari bir-rasi bibekis whose connection is so solid that even under unspeakable torture it will not break and their glowing foreheads and internal shaant ras remain unchanged.

What power is it that kept warriors like Bhai Taru Singh, the embodiment of shaant ras, completely unmoved as his scalp was being removed? What power was it that kept beloved Bhai Vir Singh Naurangabad unmoving like a mountain, in smaadhi , as cannons boomed around him? What divine power was it that kept Bhai Mati Das, as he was being sawin alive, and Bhai Dayala jee in the boiling pot from feeling any pain? Which miraculous power was it that kept Bhai Mani Singh as he was being cut piece by piece, and Bhai Subeg Singh being broken on the wheel from even thinking of uttering a cry? It was only that solid connection to naam maha-ras. This is the enjoyment of supreme bliss. This is the state of chardi kala soorbirta. This is the true peace of treating pain and pleasure as the same. This is the high state of spiritual colours. This is the fearless state born from the true love and fear (of Vahiguru).

Without attaining this very state, true bir ras and the spirit of par-upkaar born from this are impossible. Here (in this state), bir ras and shaant ras are indistinguishable. This is the philosophy of Kalgidhar Paatshaah’s Sarblohi Khanda, which Buddhists, Jains and Ahimsa-followers are unable to understand

[subaig singh mma]

vjkk vjkf

Singhs,

I am glad in one respect that you guys are debating about which martial art is the best etc, because its important to pick the right martial art for you.

Often people ask me which martial art to do, and really it depends on what your goals are. For myself, I want to fight in the cage which is a combat sport, therefore I need a good mix of combat sports such as Muay Thai, Wrestling, BJJ with a good healthy dose of hardcore fitness training and weights.

However, not everyone wants to dedicate their whole life to fighting in the ring and most just want to be able to defend themselves or help defend the panth if need be.

If you want to do mma, you need to seek out qualified instructors in proper clubs and yes you will have to train with non-Sikhs. This should not be a barrier to stop you from training, actually it is a good opportunity for integration and you will find that the best friends you ever make will be the guys/girls that you train with, and you will also have the added bonus of knowing that these guys also have your back if ever required.

The advice I give to singhs who do not want to make a career out of mma but basically just want to defend themselves and stop themselves from getting bullied is basically to find ANY martial art and try to attend at least twice a week. This, coupled with some hardcore strength/powerlifting in the gym will make you a very tough individual indeed and you will wipe out 90% of the people you are ever likely to come across in a street fight.

In summary: To fight in the ring, dedicate your life to martial arts and find the best instructors. For general self defence, find ANY martial art, stick with it, and get hench so people dont wanna fight you in the first place.

[Khalasthan86]

vjkk vjkf

Singhs,

I am glad in one respect that you guys are debating about which martial art is the best etc, because its important to pick the right martial art for you.

Often people ask me which martial art to do, and really it depends on what your goals are. For myself, I want to fight in the cage which is a combat sport, therefore I need a good mix of combat sports such as Muay Thai, Wrestling, BJJ with a good healthy dose of hardcore fitness training and weights.

However, not everyone wants to dedicate their whole life to fighting in the ring and most just want to be able to defend themselves or help defend the panth if need be.

If you want to do mma, you need to seek out qualified instructors in proper clubs and yes you will have to train with non-Sikhs. This should not be a barrier to stop you from training, actually it is a good opportunity for integration and you will find that the best friends you ever make will be the guys/girls that you train with, and you will also have the added bonus of knowing that these guys also have your back if ever required.

The advice I give to singhs who do not want to make a career out of mma but basically just want to defend themselves and stop themselves from getting bullied is basically to find ANY martial art and try to attend at least twice a week. This, coupled with some hardcore strength/powerlifting in the gym will make you a very tough individual indeed and you will wipe out 90% of the people you are ever likely to come across in a street fight.

In summary: To fight in the ring, dedicate your life to martial arts and find the best instructors. For general self defence, find ANY martial art, stick with it, and get hench so people dont wanna fight you in the first place.

I agree. many of the people debating, are just saying it for fun, they're not really bothered about fighting lol. sitting back on their arses, eating ladoos