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krav mega is for street fighting its what the isreali army uses every day when on patrol, its for modern day combat

dude i train in mma and one of my close friends who inspires me to train including others i train with have taken up jobs as bouncers were they deal with drunks and guys on coke and other drugs and weapons, i saw my buddy whose a 140 pound doorman put a guy who was itleast 290 pounds through a table head first, just messed him up, alot of nightclubs now arnt' hiring big steroid monkey's alot of them our hiring guys out of mma gyms to be doormen now, cause big steroid monkey's only have size were as these guys who train out of mma gyms and compete can drop anyone cause they train every day in true combat

and no its not a myth pushed on students, thanks to ufc and other mma organisations we got to see what worked and what didn't in the 90's were you saw kung fu world champions getting destroyed by ncaa wrestlers and by ninja 6th degree getting killed by muay thai fighters, thats how mma evolved and why mma consists of muay thai boxing ji jitsu wrestling judo

but kung fu and ninjitsu and this other stuff doesn't work in a street fight thats true

Fateh ji, SherePunjab93, you seem to post alot of stuff in regards to fighting/SP etc. If your a Sikh, why in the hell would you want to be a bouncer of a nightclub? I agree about Sikhs needing to learn skills to develop there 'SELF DEFENCE' which is what some people seem to be forgetting. We are the Son's and Daughters of Guru Gobind Singh ji, we only strike when all other means have failed. Also learning is one thing, the real thing is totally different. All i am saying yes there is a need to learn but we need to learn for the right reasons, not use it to make people fear us, do you think the moghuls feared the Sikhs because of their skills, remember the moghuls were also skilled in the art of war, the skill the sikhs had above everyone was they were fearless due to BANI and BANA.

Bhul Chuk Maafi Karni

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Fateh ji, SherePunjab93, you seem to post alot of stuff in regards to fighting/SP etc. If your a Sikh, why in the hell would you want to be a bouncer of a nightclub? I agree about Sikhs needing to learn skills to develop there 'SELF DEFENCE' which is what some people seem to be forgetting. We are the Son's and Daughters of Guru Gobind Singh ji, we only strike when all other means have failed. Also learning is one thing, the real thing is totally different. All i am saying yes there is a need to learn but we need to learn for the right reasons, not use it to make people fear us, do you think the moghuls feared the Sikhs because of their skills, remember the moghuls were also skilled in the art of war, the skill the sikhs had above everyone was they were fearless due to BANI and BANA.

Bhul Chuk Maafi Karni

Whats wrong with being a bouncer???? nothing wrong with it.

You say we only strike when all other means have failed, so you would try to talk it out with someone who's being aggressive with you and is about to strike you? then you would strike if they hit you? ask any martial artist if someone is being aggressive towards you and its likely they will try to attack you they would finish it right then, taking the person out straight away. Martial Artists and even your average joe wont wait till they get hit then to fight back, its all about survival.

I think you should refer to jangnama, yes bana and bani is important so is training in vidiya.

"Do not call the dogs (the Sikhs) dogs, because they are lions (and) are courageous like lions in the battlefield. How can a hero, who roars like a lion be called a dog? (Moreover) like lions they spread terror in the field of battle. If you wish to learn the art of war, come face to face with them in the battlefield. They will demonstrate it (art of war) to you in such a way that one and all will shower praise on them.

http://www.sikhawareness.com//index.php?showtopic=12806

just my two cents.

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Only through bhagti the sikhs won their jangs, they did do vidiya. But is was Naam/Banee that is the core strength

Sri Guru Dashmesh Patshah’s Khanda Philosophy

By Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh in “Gurmat Vichaar”

The fearless state of “parupkaar” or beneficence is the pinnacle of naam maha-ras kamaiee. Only after reaching this state can someone be a par-upkaari (person dedicated to help others). Those whose spiritual state, through the power of meditation and baani, becomes such that it is beyond the body; those who make their jeevan rise above the self with spiritual power; those who are intoxicated with naam ras and have transcended their body and whose personal bhagti kamaiee is such that:

ਕਬੀਰਤੂੰਤੂੰਕਰਤਾਤੂਹੂਆਮੁਝਮਹਿਰਹਾਨਹੂੰ ॥

ਜਬਆਪਾਪਰਕਾਮਿਟਿਗਇਆਜਤਦੇਖਉਤਤਤੂ ॥੨੦੪॥

The meaning of the above vaak applies to them; those in whose every pore chardi kala bir ras is rising in waves, only that person can be a par-upkaari. The meaning of having this bir ras for par-upkaar is that if in front of them there are atrocities being inflicted on the weak, dharma is being insulted, injustice and tyranny are happening, they will have the instinct to protect the weak and defend the faith. But in this instinct, there is not even a trace of enemity or anger or ego. This instinct is the desire to sacrifice the body, mind, wealth and everything else. Only then can we know that true bir ras for par-upkaar has been born.

As this bir ras works inside, the naam khanda begins to vibrate with double the intensity. Inside this naam khanda is beating and outside, the sarblohi khanda is moving and destroying the tyrants and opposition. The internal connection to naam is not broken for even an instant: this is the mark of a bir-ras coloured par-upkaari warrior.

Sri Dashmesh jee says the following about this avastha:

ਧੰਨਜੀਓਤਿਹਕੋਜਗਮੈਮੁਖਤੇਹਰਿਚਿੱਤਮੈਜੁਧੁਬਿਚਾਰੈ ॥

ਦੇਹਅਨਿੱਤਨਨਿੱਤਰਹੈਜਸੁਨਾਵਚੜੈਭਵਸਾਗਰਤਾਰੈ ॥

ਧੀਰਜਧਾਮਬਨਾਇਇਹੈਤਨਬੁੱਧਿਸੁਦੀਪਕਜਿਉਉਜੀਆਰੈ ॥

ਗਯਾਨਹਿਕੀਬਢਨੀਮਨਹੁਹਾਥਲੈਕਾਤਰਤਾਕੁਤਵਾਰਬੁਹਾਰੈ ॥੨੪੯੨॥

The par-upkaari warrior has no fear of death and doesn’t care about dying. He is not afraid of an army of hundreds of thousands facing him. He is jeevan mukat and those whom he dispatches with his sword, he gives them the sherbet of shahidi and makes them immortal. He then himself becomes a shahid. No one dies by his hand, instead, those who become a sacrifice for his Sri Sahib become immortal. It is for this reason that whenever any soldier in the opposing army was pierced by Sri Dashmesh jee’s arrow he would say “vah vah” and go into bliss, regardless of if he was Hindu or Muslim.

Tasting the shahidi ras of Baba Deep Singh jee’s khanda, even those hearts burnt by hatred and enmity became cool and calm.

Shahid Baba Deep Singh’s head was separated from his body, but the smiling and glowing face with its calmness remained unchanged. Having completed this game of sacrifice Baba jee’s head rested on his left hand and watching the Hola of Shahidi around him. The headless body was still swinging the khanda and dispatching hundreds to death. No! No! Giving them a taste of shahidi sherbet! News of this is spreading far and wide and as a result the enemy army is scattering like ants in an instant. History is witness to this and Baba jee’s name will remain for ages to come.

This is one example of the warrior spirit of the Guru-ghar’s par-upkaar incarnate servants. This example is enough to demonstrate the bir-rasi parupkari’s shaant ras (calm) avastha. This is the ideal of the bir-ras and shaant-ras Gurmat parupkar.

The meaning of this is that only those beloved Gurmukhs who rise above the body, walk with their head on their palm, with unbreakable connections (to naam) can become parupkaari bir-rasi bibekis whose connection is so solid that even under unspeakable torture it will not break and their glowing foreheads and internal shaant ras remain unchanged.

What power is it that kept warriors like Bhai Taru Singh, the embodiment of shaant ras, completely unmoved as his scalp was being removed? What power was it that kept beloved Bhai Vir Singh Naurangabad unmoving like a mountain, in smaadhi , as cannons boomed around him? What divine power was it that kept Bhai Mati Das, as he was being sawin alive, and Bhai Dayala jee in the boiling pot from feeling any pain? Which miraculous power was it that kept Bhai Mani Singh as he was being cut piece by piece, and Bhai Subeg Singh being broken on the wheel from even thinking of uttering a cry? It was only that solid connection to naam maha-ras. This is the enjoyment of supreme bliss. This is the state of chardi kala soorbirta. This is the true peace of treating pain and pleasure as the same. This is the high state of spiritual colours. This is the fearless state born from the true love and fear (of Vahiguru).

Without attaining this very state, true bir ras and the spirit of par-upkaar born from this are impossible. Here (in this state), bir ras and shaant ras are indistinguishable. This is the philosophy of Kalgidhar Paatshaah’s Sarblohi Khanda, which Buddhists, Jains and Ahimsa-followers are unable to understand

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Singhs,

I am glad in one respect that you guys are debating about which martial art is the best etc, because its important to pick the right martial art for you.

Often people ask me which martial art to do, and really it depends on what your goals are. For myself, I want to fight in the cage which is a combat sport, therefore I need a good mix of combat sports such as Muay Thai, Wrestling, BJJ with a good healthy dose of hardcore fitness training and weights.

However, not everyone wants to dedicate their whole life to fighting in the ring and most just want to be able to defend themselves or help defend the panth if need be.

If you want to do mma, you need to seek out qualified instructors in proper clubs and yes you will have to train with non-Sikhs. This should not be a barrier to stop you from training, actually it is a good opportunity for integration and you will find that the best friends you ever make will be the guys/girls that you train with, and you will also have the added bonus of knowing that these guys also have your back if ever required.

The advice I give to singhs who do not want to make a career out of mma but basically just want to defend themselves and stop themselves from getting bullied is basically to find ANY martial art and try to attend at least twice a week. This, coupled with some hardcore strength/powerlifting in the gym will make you a very tough individual indeed and you will wipe out 90% of the people you are ever likely to come across in a street fight.

In summary: To fight in the ring, dedicate your life to martial arts and find the best instructors. For general self defence, find ANY martial art, stick with it, and get hench so people dont wanna fight you in the first place.

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Singhs,

I am glad in one respect that you guys are debating about which martial art is the best etc, because its important to pick the right martial art for you.

Often people ask me which martial art to do, and really it depends on what your goals are. For myself, I want to fight in the cage which is a combat sport, therefore I need a good mix of combat sports such as Muay Thai, Wrestling, BJJ with a good healthy dose of hardcore fitness training and weights.

However, not everyone wants to dedicate their whole life to fighting in the ring and most just want to be able to defend themselves or help defend the panth if need be.

If you want to do mma, you need to seek out qualified instructors in proper clubs and yes you will have to train with non-Sikhs. This should not be a barrier to stop you from training, actually it is a good opportunity for integration and you will find that the best friends you ever make will be the guys/girls that you train with, and you will also have the added bonus of knowing that these guys also have your back if ever required.

The advice I give to singhs who do not want to make a career out of mma but basically just want to defend themselves and stop themselves from getting bullied is basically to find ANY martial art and try to attend at least twice a week. This, coupled with some hardcore strength/powerlifting in the gym will make you a very tough individual indeed and you will wipe out 90% of the people you are ever likely to come across in a street fight.

In summary: To fight in the ring, dedicate your life to martial arts and find the best instructors. For general self defence, find ANY martial art, stick with it, and get hench so people dont wanna fight you in the first place.

I agree. many of the people debating, are just saying it for fun, they're not really bothered about fighting lol. sitting back on their arses, eating ladoos

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Dear Subeg Singh,

Can you advise on the practicalities of training MMA with long hair/beard ? This is probably the thing that holds Amritdharees back the most. How do you find the grappling aspect of your training with your long kes ? Do you tie your kes a special way to stop them from opening ? How about using a rugby style headgear that many players use....would this be OK for MMA training ?

Please let us know about your advice/experiences, thanks.

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dear pehlvan,

Basically, as a non amritdhari but kesadhari singh, I have no problems training with kes and daaraa. When I train I tie my hair into a guth and tie a jura at the back of my head. i cover my head with a patka and wear some wrestling ear guards over the top which stops me from getting cauliflower ears and keeps my patka on my head when grappling. I keep my daree open.

When I fight, I go into the cage with a french plat with my head uncovered and this does not come undone.

I think it would be very possible for amritdhari singhs to train in mma. You can easily keep a small kanga in the jura, wear a patka and use ear defenders to keep the patka on, or tie your patka under your chin like this singh wrestler in the video from punjab called jassa singh patti

Here is a video of Gurjot Singh Kooner, an elite kesadhari wrestler from canada wrestling in a patka with ear defenders:

Wear a thin karra and put a thick sweatband over it. Get some shorts and get a small pocket sewn in the waist band so that you can keep a small kirpan in there.

Its all quite easy really. Just need to think outside the box. Good luck with it.

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Singhs,

I am glad in one respect that you guys are debating about which martial art is the best etc, because its important to pick the right martial art for you.

Often people ask me which martial art to do, and really it depends on what your goals are. For myself, I want to fight in the cage which is a combat sport, therefore I need a good mix of combat sports such as Muay Thai, Wrestling, BJJ with a good healthy dose of hardcore fitness training and weights.

However, not everyone wants to dedicate their whole life to fighting in the ring and most just want to be able to defend themselves or help defend the panth if need be.

If you want to do mma, you need to seek out qualified instructors in proper clubs and yes you will have to train with non-Sikhs. This should not be a barrier to stop you from training, actually it is a good opportunity for integration and you will find that the best friends you ever make will be the guys/girls that you train with, and you will also have the added bonus of knowing that these guys also have your back if ever required.

The advice I give to singhs who do not want to make a career out of mma but basically just want to defend themselves and stop themselves from getting bullied is basically to find ANY martial art and try to attend at least twice a week. This, coupled with some hardcore strength/powerlifting in the gym will make you a very tough individual indeed and you will wipe out 90% of the people you are ever likely to come across in a street fight.

In summary: To fight in the ring, dedicate your life to martial arts and find the best instructors. For general self defence, find ANY martial art, stick with it, and get hench so people dont wanna fight you in the first place.

i totally agree with this, and from my experience its true if your in a good mma gym you will become best friends with alot of the ppl you train with, and its really important to train with people who inspire you to push yourself

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Whats wrong with being a bouncer???? nothing wrong with it.

You say we only strike when all other means have failed, so you would try to talk it out with someone who's being aggressive with you and is about to strike you? then you would strike if they hit you? ask any martial artist if someone is being aggressive towards you and its likely they will try to attack you they would finish it right then, taking the person out straight away. Martial Artists and even your average joe wont wait till they get hit then to fight back, its all about survival.

I think you should refer to jangnama, yes bana and bani is important so is training in vidiya.

"Do not call the dogs (the Sikhs) dogs, because they are lions (and) are courageous like lions in the battlefield. How can a hero, who roars like a lion be called a dog? (Moreover) like lions they spread terror in the field of battle. If you wish to learn the art of war, come face to face with them in the battlefield. They will demonstrate it (art of war) to you in such a way that one and all will shower praise on them.

http://www.sikhawareness.com//index.php?showtopic=12806

just my two cents.

Whats good about being a Bouncer? You get to wear a large coat and you allow people into clubs, well if thats all your ambitions are then good luck to you. If you place yourself in a situation, then obviously you will have to defend yourself. The main point i am making, we have a lot of people who try and use self defence and apply it to Sikhs back in the day, difference back then was the Lions as you rightly called them had a cause to defend the Sikh nation. You talk about survival and thats the problem, Sikhs believe in Ekta, we are lions because we protected others, so as you obviously go to clubs, if a fight broke out between Sikhs 'What would you do?', If a gang of muslims attacked a Sikh 'What would you do?' would you jump in. The problem today is we do not use the 'budh' Guru Granth Sahib ji gives us, If we have vidhiya and not naam/bani we are not those lions, if we have naam/bani and no vidhiya we are not those lions, the sikhs had vidhiya and naam bani which made them fearless warriors.

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Fateh ji, SherePunjab93, you seem to post alot of stuff in regards to fighting/SP etc. If your a Sikh, why in the hell would you want to be a bouncer of a nightclub? I agree about Sikhs needing to learn skills to develop there 'SELF DEFENCE' which is what some people seem to be forgetting. We are the Son's and Daughters of Guru Gobind Singh ji, we only strike when all other means have failed. Also learning is one thing, the real thing is totally different. All i am saying yes there is a need to learn but we need to learn for the right reasons, not use it to make people fear us, do you think the moghuls feared the Sikhs because of their skills, remember the moghuls were also skilled in the art of war, the skill the sikhs had above everyone was they were fearless due to BANI and BANA.

Bhul Chuk Maafi Karni

were did i say i want to be a bouncer, i made a point that nightclubs our now hiring fighters out of mma gyms rather then steroid monkeys cause guys out of mma train in combat everyday were as all a steroid monkey has is size, and for someone who knows what their doing size doesn't matter, their a few guys out of my gym who work as doormen now

and whats wrong with being a sikh and working as a bouncer??

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when did I mention in my posts I go to clubs?! dont put words into my mouth. Nor do I want to be a bouncer, when did I say I did?

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when did I mention in my posts I go to clubs?! dont put words into my mouth. Nor do I want to be a bouncer, when did I say I did?

IF is an important word, if you would like to re-read my post and then respond!

were did i say i want to be a bouncer, i made a point that nightclubs our now hiring fighters out of mma gyms rather then steroid monkeys cause guys out of mma train in combat everyday were as all a steroid monkey has is size, and for someone who knows what their doing size doesn't matter, their a few guys out of my gym who work as doormen now

and whats wrong with being a sikh and working as a bouncer??

Whats actually good about it?

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IF is an important word, if you would like to re-read my post and then respond!

Whats actually good about it?

for the guys training out of the same gym i do who have taken up the job, they get paid extremely well to work 2 nights a week while some of them attend school full time and train full time

for the guys training out of the same gym i do who have taken up the job, they get paid extremely well to work 2 nights a week while some of them attend school full time and train full time

and they make enough working those 2 nights a week to get through school and training

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