Very Urgent

[Guest urgent]

On Sunday 30 May at 1.30pm there will be an open meeting at the gurdwara sahib regarding their party hall.

the issue is the consumption of alcohol and serving non vegetarian food on the premises.

the committee has decided that this matter should be left to sangat to decide whether to allow or disallow.

Sangat decision will be final, it is important that we express our opinions.

the Sikh Temple

6 maidstone road

grays

essex

01375 37 60 86

reg charity: 1123363

this sunday 30 may

1.30pm

please express your opinion

wat do you all think?

should alcohol or meat be allowed on the gurdwara premises?

[harjapbhangal 0]

This has been going on for ages there...i used to live in Rainham, essex for years and have been to loads of parties and weddings at grays gurdwara.....it's true that there is a hall on the premises in which meat and alcohol is allowed....it is downstairs towards the back of the building however in the olden days when people were getting their daughters married off and halls in that area were available of affordable it was an option....i dont know whether parties are still held there or not but the last one i went to there a few years ago definately had meat and sharaab there....i suppose the best thing to do is to let the local sangat decide...

[Gurdaspuria E12 24]

Waheguru ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru ji Ki Fateh

Sandesh issued my Sri Akal Takht Sahib - April 2006.

• Any form of intoxicants (alcohol, drugs etc) and preparation or consumption of foods such as meat, fish and eggs are not permitted on Gurdwara property.

• Guru-ka-Langar should be prepared and observed in accordance to Gurus' maryada (tradition).

• No person under the influence of intoxicants is allowed inside Gurdwara property.

• Inside the property of the Guru Sahibs, only the recital of Gurbani, katha, kirtan and reccounting of the Gurus' history are permitted.

• Buildings bought or constructed using the Daswand (one tenth of earnings) of the Sikh Sangat or Gurdwara donations are solely to be used to be used for Gurmat purposes and the betterment of society.

• Anand Karajs (Sikh wedding ceremonies) etc must be performed in Gurdwaras in accordance to Gurmat and the Panthic accepted Sikh Rehit Maryada.

• There is no permission granted for dancing and singing or any acts which go against the principles of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

dis is against guru sahib

did the shaheeds give up everything for this

We as sikhs are not allowed to eat meat and eggs but for some reason we think that it is okay to do so in property which is under the Gurudwara i.e that is linked to our Guru sahib

Sangat dont have the right to decide GURU sahib has already

Mods put this in General Sec Why is not dere dis is the most urgent issue at the moment we need create awarneess

Dere is no point of looking like a sikh going to march in central ldn for 17 sikhs or 84 n den not care about dis which is beadbi of mahaaj because this attacks the very teachings of guru sahib

Remeber for Sant ji it was satkaar was more important than freedon thats why he launched the morcha intially

[.- Prabhjot Singh -. 931]

how messed up is that? these punjabi 'culture' of drinking and eating dead animals is going to ruin us one day, you watch.

[GuruManeyoGranth 20]

Although this is an important issue for each to act on, are the R4G sevadaars aware of/taking a lead on this? Since they have experience, Sangat looks to them for leadership.

Waheguroo

[Gurdaspuria E12 24]

why has mods not transferred dis to general sec nothing else is of any importance

dis is maharaj's asthan being disrespected

dere is no diff between harimander sahib and a gurdwara because maharj is dere

It is still beadbi if it occurs in a hall because it is under maharjas name

if we aint got satkaar 4 maharaj no point of wearing dumallas and acting like warriors

lets give dis thread max exposure so all sangat in UK knows about dis

[.- Prabhjot Singh -. 931]

i thought about this to be honest with you veerji, but i guess some people might want to be post gupt because of obvious reasons..

[Guest akal]

can we get a link for the Akaal takhat sandesh 2006 plz

is there a gurmukhi and english version?

I think i might need to print it and put it forward to a commitee near where i live

[Guest Happy]

I agree this should be in the General section.

Mods please put it there asap.

I say they should disallow alcohol and meat.

[Pyara 288]

Although this is an important issue for each to act on, are the R4G sevadaars aware of/taking a lead on this? Since they have experience, Sangat looks to them for leadership.

Waheguroo

I think people need to realise that the original R4G campaign fizzled out a few years ago and the structure does not exist as it did from 2004-2007. So as a jathebhandi, R4G is currently non-existant...The issues, however, still are relevant!

In terms of moving this forward. Firstly, in my personal opinion I would pass the buck back onto the established jathebhadi's such as BSC, NSO, SFUK as well as the more dharmic jathebhandi such as GNNSJ, AKJ etc.

Secondly, this is a prime opportunity to get the newly formed Sikh Channel/Gurdwara advisory committee on board. I think it's time to test the limits of the national parbhandaks who appear to be willing to be rather vocal on the Sikh Channel discussion progammes.

Thirdly, your local prabhandak's must get their fingers out of their behinds and start putting pressure on Grays prabhandaks and community to keep in line with Gurmat.

[Gurdaspuria E12 24]

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Heres there the Hukamnamma against meat n alchol

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/18752-hukamnamas-sandeshs-and-important-sikh-documents/

Jathedar of Akal Takht going to be in plumstead on the 31st so he must be in the country on sunday

Benti someone get hold of him and take him down there

Also we ALL need to get down there to stop the vote or make sure the vote swings in the gurmat way

there should not be voting anyway on Gurmat issues

also we need to phone the gurdwara make them aware that this is the biggest issue

think about it we complain about punjab being full of drugs and alchol yet our Gurdwara wants to happily promote these evils

[harpal1200 0]

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA

WAHEGURU JI KE FATHE

THIS IS VERY SHAMEFUL THAT WE ARE COMING THIS POINT THAT WE WANT TO EAT MEAT DRINKING ALCOHOL IN A GURDWARA PERMISIS WE NEED TO START LISTING AND FOLLOWING THE GURU JI'S HUKAM TO NOT EAT OR DRINK ALCOHOL AND NOT EVEN TOUCH OR EVEN THINK ABOUT DOING THESE THINGS ALSO THIS IS THE TIME WERE EVERY ONE NEEDS TO STAND UP

THERE IS NO POINT WEARING A BANA AND PRETENDING TO BE THE KHALSA FAUJ AND NOT STANDING UP NOW

PLEASE RING THE GURDWARA AND DO BEANTEE FOR THIS BEADBEE TO STOP BEFORE ITS TOO LATE AND WE LOSE ALL OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS.

[singhrow 3]

wjkk wjkf

singhrow sevadars have spent all this year talking to kids at camps and uni, colleges and schools and explained to them why guru ji told us to avoid the sins of mean and alcohol, things like this will just confuse them badly, they will start saying that the gurdwara allows it, so why u telling us the opposite, obviously we can use gurbani to win any argument or debate, but for the little childern growing up in a gurdwara which has a party hall the bad habits they get from that sangat will be hard to break at these type of halls associated with a gurdwara legitimise these sinful corruptions.

i got a txt saying 100's of singhs attending, is this true or just one of them dogey texts, i heard the akal thakt jatherdar is going to gurdwara on monday with uk sangat to ask why this gurdwara has decided to violate the hukamnama. there is many gurdwaras in the uk that violate this hukamnam already the situation is in a crisis, i hope the akal thakt jatherdar can resolve this, and prevent thsi gurdwara from joining this crisis.

please can the guru do kirpa on local sangat to make right decision

wjkk wjkf from all singhrow sevadars

[Gurdaspuria E12 24]

I have seen many times on this site people talkin about how great the sings in 84 were , well we can never match what they did but if we cant stop this we have no right to call ourselves their brothers and sisters.

SO PLEASE PHONE THE GURDWARA AND PUT PRESSURE ON the Committee and IF POSSIBLE GET DOWN THERE 2MORROW

Think about it, if this goes through many other gurdwara might think there is no one to stop them and do the same

This needs to stop now

[gadget 1]

This type of inconsiderate behaviour needs to stop.