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Waheguru ji ka Khalsa

Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Please pretend you don't know me as I am asking such as stupid quesiton, but no one ever explained this to me in the onslaught of information that was presented, and I am too embarrassed to be asking this in person. But, you wear your kara to bed, you wear your Kachcheras to bed, you wear a patka to bed to compensate for a heavy turban, they say you're supposed to have your kakars on your person at 'all times". Are you supposed to wear your kirpan draped over your shoulder as you slip into bed, or take it off and leave it on the dresser next to your bed where it is at least symbolically within close reach if it were needed to be called upon to defend someone? It makes sense either way to me, considering the ethics and the history of what the Khalsa endured historically, but as I have no idea I am coming here for the advice.

What is the truth, please?

Thank you so much!

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Yes, you're supposed to wear it to bed. Khalsa is tyar bar tyar, even while asleep :ph34r:

Remember, this is Akal Purakh's Fauj you're joining, not some boy scout club.

Ideally, you should also have other shasters close by your bed at night, like laathi and 3ft kirpan.

Just move the kirpan around if it pokes you or something. You'll get used to it in a few days.

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Yes, you're supposed to wear it to bed. Khalsa is tyar bar tyar, even while asleep :ph34r:

Remember, this is Akal Purakh's Fauj you're joining, not some boy scout club.

Ideally, you should also have other shasters close by your bed at night, like laathi and 3ft kirpan.

Just move the kirpan around if it pokes you or something. You'll get used to it in a few days.

well said i agree

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<mod edit> There is one simple rule with the 5k's, which is that you never take them off and you never do their beadbi.

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PAL 07,

please do not be too harsh on the original poster, he himself feels a little sheepish about asking the question.

We are not all knowledagable about Sikhi and if you don't ask you remain in ignorance.

So, well done to the poster for asking the question. It may even help other people who read the answers.

And yes, have all panj kakkars on you at all times, even though the kirpan may poke you in the middle of the night,

just think of it as Guru Ji giving you a nudge to get up at amritwella ;)

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Thank you.

Yes, you're supposed to wear it to bed. Khalsa is tyar bar tyar, even while asleep ph34r.gif

Remember, this is Akal Purakh's Fauj you're joining, not some boy scout club.

Ideally, you should also have other shasters close by your bed at night, like laathi and 3ft kirpan.

Just move the kirpan around if it pokes you or something. You'll get used to it in a few days.

Thank you.

well said i agree

Thank you.

<mod edit> There is one simple rule with the 5k's, which is that you never take them off and you never do their beadbi.

OK. Thank you.

Plus, we dont wear 'patke' wen we go to bed, its either Dastaar or Keski!

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Thank you for your friendly words. That's a good idea to think of the poke as being a nudge from Guru Ji.

Actually, this was not discussed in the volumnous amount of information that they gave us prior to or during the Amrit ceremony. I had been taking my kirpan off at night simply because it was unruly and I assumed.... But then both the meaning of it and my repeatedly hearing the words "wearing them at all times" together started me thinking "you should be wearing it to bed", which is why I asked the question. It is good to know for sure now.

Thanks!

PAL 07,

please do not be too harsh on the original poster, he himself feels a little sheepish about asking the question.

We are not all knowledagable about Sikhi and if you don't ask you remain in ignorance.

So, well done to the poster for asking the question. It may even help other people who read the answers.

And yes, have all panj kakkars on you at all times, even though the kirpan may poke you in the middle of the night,

just think of it as Guru Ji giving you a nudge to get up at amritwella wink.gif

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Feel free to ask any questions you have brother.

Rehit related questions should be actively discussed amongst brothers (and sisters), so as to avoid long term confusion.

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Yes, Thanks.

Feel free to ask any questions you have brother.

Rehit related questions should be actively discussed amongst brothers (and sisters), so as to avoid long term confusion.

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On 9/1/2010 at 5:23 PM, Jai Tegang! said:

Yes, you're supposed to wear it to bed. Khalsa is tyar bar tyar, even while asleep :ph34r:

Remember, this is Akal Purakh's Fauj you're joining, not some boy scout club.

Well stated.

On 9/1/2010 at 5:23 PM, Jai Tegang! said:

Just move the kirpan around if it pokes you or something. You'll get used to it in a few days.

It's just haters of Guru ji's rehit that try to say such things to scare people off from taking Amrit.

No actual amritdhari Singh has ever had a problem.

Also, only wusses sleep unarmed.

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On 9/2/2010 at 8:16 PM, Hanu said:

Thank you for your friendly words. That's a good idea to think of the poke as being a nudge from Guru Ji.

Actually, this was not discussed in the volumnous amount of information that they gave us prior to or during the Amrit ceremony. I had been taking my kirpan off at night simply because it was unruly and I assumed.... But then both the meaning of it and my repeatedly hearing the words "wearing them at all times" together started me thinking "you should be wearing it to bed", which is why I asked the question. It is good to know for sure now.

Thanks!

bro/sis,

you just wear your gatra to the outside of your clothes then lay the kirpan flat in front of your body if lying on your side , if you flip to your back it will not poke you and if you go forwards it will not hurt you but you may feel it and adjust yourself automatically. initially, it took a couple of weeks to get use to this but it WILL become  part of you and you will feel weird if you cannot feel it there in front. Please wear a chotta dastar not a patka (those did not exist until 1970s, they are not sikh in origin or spirit) just long enough to secure your kangha and kesh, so you can tyar bar tyar just incase you need to be up and in action straight away. I saw the value of this when we had a housefire whilst we were sleeping and had to evacuate the babies  with us .

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If you haven’t went through the Amrit ceremony, but you want to please God all you can. Should you sleep with them? I do want to take Amrit, but no Gurudwara near me, and I’m a convert. Thanks 

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