Vegetarian Diet

[Guest _learner singh wanna]

hello

i have recently started eating a vegetarian diet. I dont understand why we arent allowed to eat eggs but can drink milk?? Both are from animals, life isnt killed in the production of either.

Somebody said that milk is different to eggs because it is essential for our diet (babies need milk to grow and develop) however, babies whom are lactose intolerant, therefore allergic to dairy products safely have soya milk as an alternative, which is derived from plants.

Eggs produced by chickens are non fertilised, and like milk production are a natural process for the animal. If we choose not to eat becuase of the living conditions and use of hormones on these animals, then shouldnt we also avoid cow milk. Why arent we all drinking soya milk rather than cow milk, is it not the lesser of two evils?

this is not a meat debate. and i am genuinely wanting advice so that i can answer these questions in my mind.

thankyou

i am still a learner

[hkaurP 29]

Well I personally find Eggs disgusting because they are a chickens period. But I think the reason why we dont eat Eggs is because Egg can be fertilized but Milk cannot.

[Singhstah 288]

Because eggs were never meant for consumption by anyone, its like eating a womb. Milk on the other hand IS meant to be consumed.

[guruvah 171]

The first thing a human consumes when it comes to this world is actually meat. Which is a mother's milk. Meat is basically any protein source derived from animals.

Both are meat actually. BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT ...........

in the past eggs which humans consumed were fertilized, so it was same as killing a living thing before it has a chance to get life.(just like the sin of abortion). Now, you have unfertilized eggs, but these are due to humans manipulating mother nature using science.

Regarding eating man made unfertilized eggs. As yourself a simple question, what is the purpose God created that egg?

Consumption or for baby chicks to be conceived from it?

Its common sense, we humans wont consume our own ovum and sperm, then why do we want to consume the chickens ovum?

The word "KUTHA" actually means Killed. Any meat obtained from KILLING other living things is forbidden in Gurmat. This shabad in SriGuru Granth Sahib ji further cements this asool of Gurmat:

ਜੀਅ ਬਧਹੁ ਸੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਅਧਰਮੁ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਤ ਭਾਈ ॥

ਆਪਸ ਕਉ ਮੁਨਿਵਰ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਕਾ ਕਉ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਸਾਈ ॥੨॥ ( ang 1103 )

You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action. (those who justify meat eating of killed living beings are being criticized by Guru ji here )

Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action?

You call yourself the most excellent sage; then who would you call a butcher? ((2))

But, some people in the panth have misinterpreted the word "KUTHA" due to their lack of understanding and ...wallllaaaaaaaa :rolleyes: the meat controversy in the Panth began! :sleep:

Gursikhs are lacto-vegetarians. Those who dont eat meat of any kind and only consume milk and honey.

Forgive me if I was wrong anywhere.......

[SarabhaPanjab 242]

Well I personally find Eggs disgusting because they are a chickens period. But I think the reason why we dont eat Eggs is because Egg can be fertilized but Milk cannot.

Well explained.. i think a lot of people do not know the difference between fertilised and non-fertilised.

but yeh.. your knocking back a chickens period..waste product.. a bit like <banned word filter activated>

[Guest hats]

For me, I just think baby chickens are born out of eggs, although these ones are not fertilised.

Milk on the other hand is just milk, its not an 'egg' out of which a baby would be able to hatch.

To eat an egg for me feels wrong intuitively so I go with that gut feeling- the same feeling that tells me right from wrong.

[innergear 35]

I eat cakes and they hav some small amounts of egg in them to make them raise, theiur R reasones not too eat meat in this country but these i feel r personal choices to B made perasonally .

[PAL 07 210]

in gurbani satguru states - the cow eats grass and gives amrit - therefor milk is acceptable

[Singh559 2,656]

http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/06/animal-based-protein-diets-increase-mortality-rate/?hpt=Sbin

[Paran-Singh 6]

Well done on starting out, and excellent points made by everyone! Just follow Rehit and you cant go wrong

http://damdamitaksaal.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=80&Itemid=33&showall=1

We are trying to eradicate our karma and so adding to it by eating killed things, messing with nature for unnecessary results, will just add to our accounts so we avoid such behaviour whenever possible as it means we have to work even harder to reach Mukhti. However in the dire situation where our survival is necessary for the betterment of the Panth then eating whatever you can find has been acceptable in the past. However vegetarian options and rations are so common and easily tinned and preserved these days I hope that means we will never again have to stoop to eating meat even in times of desperation and war.

[PAL 07 210]

ਪਸੂ ਮਿਲਹਿ ਚੰਗਿਆਈਆ ਖੜੁ ਖਾਵਹਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਦੇਹਿ ॥ page 489

the animals recieve good things - they eat grass and give amrit

[Kharrag Singh 7]

Hopefully, in this post the original topic starter can find a good argument for not eating eggs, and also it is a reply to the person who said Sikhs are lacto-vegitarians.

First principal of Sikhi is daya - being merciful. Therefore, straight from the outset, killing an animal for owns pleasure, or for an unneccessary reason is not daya. In conjunction with all the updesh from Dhan Sri Granth Sahib Ji, Dhan Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji's bani, Mahapurkh Bhai Gurdas Ji dian vaara, Rehit Maryade and Guru Sahibs ithiaas, it is beyond doubt that killing for one's tounge is wrong, taking a life is mahapaap.... However, lets bring it into context further...

Everything we do effects our karam and avastha (spirtual progression). Even eating plants will carry repurcussions on one's jeevan, i.e. a person consuming plants etc would have to take on some karam of the plants....However, I am sure I dont have to explain, but the karam for killing a plant compared to killing an animal would be far less... In fact, one reason for our nitnem...daily baani and daily ardaas/benti, is to cover for all those karams we do in even the most simplist persons life... ie eating vegetables etc, walking and accidently killing insects etc etc...

Therefore, logically, there is a scale. A gursikh on the path of meeting with Vaheguroo, does not make it harder for themselves and therefore sticks to the simplist of simple lives...

Also, from a spirtual progression point of view, everything that happens during the process of preparing our food, has an effect on it. Just as by simply eating degh which has had Gurbani read over it, or eating from the hands of a Mahapurkh rather than someone on the other end of the scale is more beneficial... Therefore, Gurmukhs on the path, would avoid eating from outside, eating processed foods - whatever one can do to reduce the above effects.

Therefore, based on the above, consuming eggs wouldnt even be a question in the mind of a Gursikh looking for spiritual progression. One does not know the karam attached to the causing of chickens to lay unfertilised eggs, one does not know the karam attached to the smoker alcohol drinking farmer who collects the egg, one does not know the condition through which that egg has gone through whilst being processed / packaged...etc... one does not know whether that chicken was supposed to give life to a chick... Hopefully, that clears the egg part... and for that matter any other such foods also....

Unlike a post above, Sikhs are not lacto-vegetarians or whatever it is... Sikhs are neither vegetarians or meat eaters...

Just to make it clear, should one want to live a life of acheiving spiritual progression, meat is a no no. However, as it has been shown in our history, should a Sikh find it necessary, or should a Sikh want to live the life of a warrior where it is necessary to consume meat, than that is ok - but again it will effect your avastha. However, again, Guru Sahibaans have given us marayda of chatka. Why? Because it goes to the point made above about karams. If a sikh wants to eat meat, do as per marayda, chatka all your meat...dont go kfc, dont go buy processed foods with elements already mixed in, do as per marayada. Do the karam, do the paath, do chatka yourself. However, again it would be worth reminding that if a person does this karam for pleasing the tounge, it would be a bigger karam to take on...

If we look at our mahaan Singhs of the past, eg Mahapurk Baba Deep Singh.. look at what their diet was... especially during the times when all they did was bhagti, they consumed sholay daane only.... cannot get much simpler than that... Baba Ji didnt require to even think about taking on karams by eating meat because they had all there strength through Gurbaani....

Just to make Sikhi fit into our lives we look for excuses or reasons and explain aspects of Sikhi differently...Heart of hearts, everyone knows the true answer... because Maharaaj resides in each... if we ask our aathma, is it ok eat this egg, we will know the answer... again, in a situation of war, depending on circumstances, if we ask our aathma, is it ok to eat meat.. we will gagain know the right answer... it all depends on whether we want to listen or not....

[.- Prabhjot Singh -. 931]

^^ Wonderful Post

[whyhellothere 17]

^^I agree, I really like this bit

Just to make Sikhi fit into our lives we look for excuses or reasons and explain aspects of Sikhi differently...Heart of hearts, everyone knows the true answer... because Maharaaj resides in each... if we ask our aathma, is it ok eat this egg, we will know the answer... again, in a situation of war, depending on circumstances, if we ask our aathma, is it ok to eat meat.. we will gagain know the right answer... it all depends on whether we want to listen or not....