Advice Needed

[Guest concerned singh]

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh ji

a gursikh who with Guru's kirpa has done alot of seva in the past and been an active member of the sangat,

is currently going through hard times and has done some dodgy things and feels like he is not worthy to come into sangat or do seva,

is there any advice i can give him

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh ji

[Guest singhni]

fateh ji

tell that gursikh. that we all r not perfect. we will make lots of mistakes but waheguru still forgives us. if that gursikh wont come in sangat animore. hw will he love waheguru. that gursikh mite even start to feel that he/she is goin away from sikhi... we can only love whaeguru if we do sangat, the more we stay in sangat the more we will love wahegrooo I read this gurbani from somewhere. that says if we are in sangat we will find wahegroo. i cant remba.

Heres a shabad.. that explains if we are in hardtimess...if we remba waheguru.. he will helpp us!!

jaa ko musakal ath banai dtoee koe n dhaee ||

When you are confronted with terrible hardships, and no one offers you any support,

laagoo hoeae dhusamanaa saak bh bhaj khalae ||

when your friends turn into enemies, and even your relatives have deserted you,

sabho bhajai aasaraa chukai sabh asaraao ||

and when all support has given way, and all hope has been lost

chith aavai ous paarabreham lagai n thathee vaao ||1||

-if you then come to remember the Supreme Lord God, even the hot wind shall not touch you. ||1||

[Guest Eastwest sangat bes]

Sangat is the one place that our bad thoughts and deeds cam be undone and our path back on trac can be made. By stayin away from samgat we will of course making it worse for it. You don't put off go dr if you disease until you get bouter . No you go to sangat to get better in the 1st place of it. :-).

[Wicked Warrior]

Unless he has done a bujjara kurehit, why would Guru Ji turn him away?

Instead, his mind has turned him away from Guru Ji. Go, with humbleness and humility in one's heart and ask forgiveness of the Guru.

[harsharan000]

All that whatsover good or bad happens or comes in our lives, is just what we have sowed in our past lives, none can change that, not even Wahiguru... He is perefct. He can not go against His will, His Mauj or call it kudrat. We can not pretend to have a cool feeling, if we are ones we put our hands in fire. Naturally, we will get burnt. It would be silly from our part, if we put our hands in fire, and ask Wahiguru to make us get the feeling of like touching flowers... as said before, He is Perfect, His works are perfect, He is not a magician, nor the genius of Aladinos lamp; to make Him dance at our silly wishes and desires, it is we, that are dumb and stupid.

We do seva, not to get something in return, neither we should have any expectations of recognition....that is not the right attitude. We do it just to please other/s. In pleasing others, we are pleased. It is a way to mash our ego, and get His blessings, as He loves those who are meek of heart.

Turning to the point of getting astray, it is a pity, that because of Maya and Mind, we tend to run even farther, from Wahiguru Akal Purukh Sukhdaata. We should bear in mind, if we turn our face from Him under any circumstances, we are condeming ourselves, we are to be blamed only. He has graced us, by giving us the unvaluable human form, to get rid from this paraphernalia, maha bhavsagar; by tuning ourselves to His Nam, His Shabad, and get back to our nijh ghar and merge ourselves in Him. But we stupid, turn our faces from the light and move forward into darkness.

We have to only attach ourselves to His Nam, through His Anhad Bani; then even sinners like us, ( rusted pieces of iron) shall get crossed to the seashore= Sach Khand.

May Wahiguru Akal Purukh, bless us with clear understanding and thinking.

[MokhamSingh]

Khalsa Ji

Always remain in chardi kala.

If owing to some bad time one has strayed then ,

ਜਉ ਪੈ ਹਮ ਨ ਪਾਪ ਕਰੰਤਾ ਅਹੇ ਅਨੰਤਾ ॥

जउ पै हम न पाप करंता अहे अनंता ॥

Ja▫o pai ham na pāp karanṯā ahe ananṯā.

If I did not commit any sins, O Infinite Lord,

ਪਤਿਤ ਪਾਵਨ ਨਾਮੁ ਕੈਸੇ ਹੁੰਤਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

पतित पावन नामु कैसे हुंता ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥

Paṯiṯ pāvan nām kaise hunṯā. ||1|| rahā▫o.

how would You have acquired the name, 'Redeemer of sinners'? ||1||Pause||

[Only five]

All that whatsover good or bad happens or comes in our lives, is just what we have sowed in our past lives, none can change that, not even Wahiguru... He is perefct. He can not go against His will, His Mauj or call it kudrat.

What an absurd thing to say. Sri Waheguru ji Maharaj is highest and everything is underneath him. His Hukam is what he makes it. The Hukam is not above Sri Waheguru Ji Maharaj. Shabad Guru says, if Sri Waheguru ji Maharaj wants, he can make stone (spiritual dead) cross the world ocean. Sri Mool Mantar Sahib da paat does puja of Sri Waheguru ji Maharaj. His Hukam is not separate from himself. You say he is perfect, then why do you describe the Hukam different from him? Sri Waheguru ji Maharaj is formless. Where was the Hukam when there was no creation? His Hukam can only be understood by those that have met him. If Sri Waheguru ji Maharaj changes the past lives of someone and brings them to realize Satguru, then that is his Hukam. Who is to say that he changed his Hukam or went against it? Satguru says by our actions we will have to accept what comes to us. But where does it say this is the ultimate Hukam of Sri Waheguru ji Maharaj? When Satguru says, he can make stones cross the wolrd ocean, doesn't that go against as we have sowed we will reap? There is no contradiction in the two. Satguru ji's kirpa is great and can raise the dead from their graves.

[harsharan000]

People usually talk about God, like they know everything about Him. If one does not agree or understand anything, it is better to ask, then to just blame or accuse, showing one´s pride or ego. Or do we think we know everything? Why these things, among His devotees? Rather we all should help each other,in any possible way, as we are all His children. These things only happen, in inmature and unsecure minds.

Human beings, may do things in some way correct or not, they may plan in one way, but then they may think, it could be done in a better way, so they change the mind and do it in different way. But that is not the case of Wahiguru. He is all knowledge and all powerfull, He does things once. He is not like us, that He starts in one way, then suddenly due to circumstances, or to please, or benefit someone, He changes His mind.

So in this way, His hukum is His will, and His will is expressed, as the laws of nature. Observing them and going according to them, is our welfare,otherwise we shall have to suffer. He has made everything, He is the mastermind of everything. He never forces anybody. He has made it, now we have to decide and be carefull, and observe His laws, in order to be really happy. He does not saves or condems anybody, We do it, good or bad, and so we have to bear the results. In the bani it is said: Aape bheeje, aape khae. Why is He going to favor some and be against some? It is ridiculous. He is happy, if we as His children behave in a mature way by observing His rules. Devis, or devtas may favor some, by doing their worship. But He, the highest, is not like that. He is all mercifull, Dayalu. He showers only His daya meher ( His only job)on those who choose to go back to Him, and that also, when we observe His rules, not by our manmukhta.

That also, not because of our merits, but His grace, called also Prasad. As it is said in he bani: Iko Onkar....Satgur Prasad.

He can surely make stones crossed, and so we are all, but He before cleans us. Why does He cleans us with His grace? In order to become pure and paviter like Him in each and every way, to be able to merge in Him, not otherwise.

Now do not say that rivers howsoever dirty all merge in the ocean.... This may be the case at the physicall level, but in ruhaniyat and spirituality, it is not like that. We have to become clean, spotless like Him, to be able to merge in Him. We are not the body, our essence is the soul, same in nature like Akal Purukh, that is why it has a natural tendency towards its origin, which can be forwarded right or wrong.

So when we say, He can raise the dead from the graves, what does it mean? It means, as long as we are away from Him, we are spiritually dead. So when His grace or Prasad, is showered on somebody through His nam or Shabad. that wadbhagee soul, gets life and starts walking back to his Nijh Ghar= Sach Khand. In that sense the dead get up from the garves and get life to walk back home.

We tend to think of Him, like human beings, but at a superior level. It is all moorakhta, agyanta. But these things can not be well known, as long the jeeva does not go and join Sadh Sangat.

Because if we are dirty, we may never even think in loving Him. And also as long as mind and maya are surrounding us, we shall not think of Him. The final purpose or each being, is to merge His consciousness in Him, and that can only be, by first becoming like Him.

When the rain falls from the clouds, it is pure. When it falls on the ground it mixes up with dirt and becomes dirty. But it wants to be with the clouds again. For that, the sunheat is necesary, to seperate it from the impurities, by making it vapor first, and then that vapor is ready, fit, pure, to be a cloud once again. Of course, the dirty water can become cloud, but it has gone through a process. In the same way if the Lord decides to make the dead alive from the graves, it needs also a process. It is the Sun who makes, the dirty water vapor and then turn it in cloud. But the Sun has not done it by itself, it has done through his laws, through it´s particular ways. In the same way, Wahiguru is in Sach Khand, but throough His laws, works out His orders in each direction, and moment. There is no such place, where His Hukum(Energy, Will, Bani or Shabad) is not present.

[Guest In heaven?]

What is the above post talking about? Is you saying that guru is in heaven? Guru is everywher not confined to a place ! This is the christians thinking that has confused our people so much

[harsharan000]

What is the above post talking about? Is you saying that guru is in heaven? Guru is everywher not confined to a place ! This is the christians thinking that has confused our people so much

The bani says: Sach Khand vaseh Nirankar!

Sorry to say that there is no confussion, only clear thinking. Wahiguru is like the Sun, it is where it is, it is how it is, but even being so far from our planet, yet it

reaches us and gives us light, life and warmth.... In the same way, Wahiguru is where it is, in its real Nij Ghar, Sach Khand. But through its active expression, or

manifestation called also Bani, Shabad, Amrit, Hukum, etc.... it reaches each and every corner, there is no such place that it reaches not; and it is through this

Bani, that the jeeva returns back home, and there the soul merges in Satnam. Please do not bring other dharmas in between, our sikhee is self sufficient.

As it is also said in the bani: Anter Jot, Niranter Bani, Sache sahib siu liv lae... Inside your body, the real temple of God, there is inmense light, from that light the

Shabad soundeth, which reunites us with the true Lord, Wahiguru Akal Purukh

Brother, cool down, everything is in the bani, it is just a matter of paying proper attention, and His grace