Origins Of Waheguru Mantar

[MokhamSingh]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal,

Dear all and Mokham Singh Jee,

Some people feel Bhai Gurdaas Ji's views are more rass dayik.

Perhaps they need to know true Raam Ras and Hari Ras.

The true Gurus taste it and transfer the Ras of Raam and Hari to others also.

Please listen. Gurdev is singing.

ਰਾਮ ਰਸੁ ਪੀਆ ਰੇ ॥

राम रसु पीआ रे ॥

Raam rasu peeaa re.

ਜਿਹ ਰਸ ਬਿਸਰਿ ਗਏ ਰਸ ਅਉਰ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

जिह रस बिसरि गए रस अउर ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥

Jih ras bisar gae ras aor.1. rahaao SGGS 337-16

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ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਮਹਾ ਸੁਖੁ ਹੋਇ ॥

प्रभ की द्रिसटि महा सुखु होइ ॥

Prabh kee drisTi maha sukhu hoi.

ਹਰਿ ਰਸੁ ਪਾਵੈ ਬਿਰਲਾ ਕੋਇ ॥

हरि रसु पावै बिरला कोइ ॥

Hari rasu paavai birlaa koi. SGGS 289-13

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Strange, the true Gurus never speak about Waheguru Ras and Waheguru Simran.

Balbir Singh

Khalsa Ji

What is the difference between "Hari rass" and "Waheguru rass"?

What is the difference between Ram and Waheguru?

[MokhamSingh]

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Waheguru Gurmantar

WaheguruJeeKeeFateh WaheguruJeeKaaKhalsa

Due to the recent trend by anti sikh cults to confuse the Sikh population on what the the Gurmantar is. The ‘Tothemax’ teams have been busy translating articles and chapters from knowledgble Gursikhs past and present to confront these vile distortions.

The translation below is in three parts and is from the reknowed author on Gursikh Rehat and theology, Bhai Sahib Subehdar Behgal Singh Jee. The chapter is taken from his well reasearched book on ‘Waheguru Gurmantar’. We know the chapter is a long one, so we split it in 3 parts, please try and read all the parts, the knowledge in this chapter is priceless.

As this is seva, please forgive us for any shortcomings on the translation, these are all our faults and nothing to do with Subedhar Jee. Please pray to Akal Purakh that he lets his moorakh children continue in this seva.

WaheguruJeeKaaKhalsa WaheguruJeeKeeFateh!!

Waheguru Gurmantar

O Beloved, the word ‘Waheguru’ is the ‘Gurmantar’. Contemplate upon it and get rid of egotism.

Quote from Bhai Gurdas Jee’s Varan 13/2

vwihgurU gurU mMqR hY jp haumYN KoeI]

vaahiguroo guroo ma(n)thr hai jap houmai(n) khoee||

His Guru-manta is Vahiguru, whose recitation erases egotism.

Get rid of the selfhood and then see your real Self. Its only with these godly virtues will you get beaded together with the virtuous Waheguru.

Awp gvwey Awp hY gux guxI proeI ]

aap gavaaeae aap hai gun gunee paroee ||a||

Losing egotism and merging into the qualities of the supreme Lord, he himself becomes full of qualities.

See Bhai Nand Lall’s gazal 19:

Bhr qr& ik nzr krd hUey Xwr Awmd ]

Bahar taraf ki nazar karad, hoo-ay zaar aamad.

Which ever side I look, I only see the face of the Beloved.

and gazal 22:

hr jw ik ibMgrMd jmwly qy ibMgrMd ]

Har jaa ki bingrandh zmaalay tay bingrandh.

Holy evolved souls, wherever they look they only see Your form.

jo bolq hY imRg mIn pMKyrU su ibnu hir jwpq hY nhI hor ]3]

jo bolath hai mrig meen pa(n)khaeroo s bin har jaapath hai nehee hor ||3||

Whatever the deer, the fish and the birds sing, they chant to the Lord, and no other. ||3|

Gurmantar is that religious mantar or chant given to a Gursikh when he is initiated into the religious fold. This is a seed-form mantar or chant specially chosen from all the other words in the religious text.

Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji has blessed Gursikhs with the Gurmantar, Waheguru. Setting aside the chant ‘Waheguru’ in the house of Sri Guru Nanak Sahib Ji and accepting some other word to be the gurmantar, is akin to turning your back towards Sikh way of life. If any person, regarding himself as the Sikh of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj, does not accept and does not contemplate upon the word ‘Waheguru’ as the Gurmantar, then he is an apostate, he is certainly not a Sikh. Bhai Prahlaad Singh, in a rahetnaamaa (Sikh code of conduct) quotes the tenth master Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji:-

vwihgrU ky mMqR ibn jpY AOr koeI jwp]

so swkq, isK mUl nih, bjn hY sRI muKvwk ]7]

Waheguru kay mantar bin japai aur koee jaap.

So saakat, Sikh mool nahi, bachan hai sree mukhvaak.

If one contemplates upon a mantar other that the mantar ‘Waheguru’, He is an apostate, he is definitely not a Sikh.

These are the words of Sri (Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s). (Code of conduct of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji by Bhai Praladh Singh)

In this very rehatnamaa in the 31st couplet Bhai Prahladh Singh Ji writes about the quote of the tenth Guru, in which Guru Ji says that without the ‘Waheguru’ mantar, the story of man’s life is false:

Akwl purK ky bcn isau pRgt culwXo pMQ ]

sB isKn ko bcn hY, guru mwnIAhu gRMQ ]30]

Qwp clXo jo ggq hYN, iqnih invwvhu mwQ ]

vwihgurU ky mMqR ibn, imiQAw swrI gwQ ]31]

Akaal Purkh kay bachan siu, pargat chulaayo panth.

Sab Sikhan ko bachan hai, Guru maanee-aho granth.30

Thaap chalyo jo jagat mai, tinhi nivaavhu maath.

Waheguru kay mantar bin,mithi-aa saaree gaath.31

Upon the command of the Timeless Creator, the (Sikh) Brotherhood came into being.

All Sikhs are directed to regard the Granth to be their Guru.

That which has been installed in this world, bow your head in respect.

Without the ‘Waheguru’ mantar, life’s whole saga is false.31

Bhai Nand Lall Ji writes in his rahetnaamaa:-

gurisK rihq sunhu ry mIq ]

pRBwqy auT kr ihq cIq ]

vwihgurU gurmMqR su jwp ]

kr iesnwn pVoH jp jwp ]

Gursikh rahet sunhu ray mee-t.

Parbhatay uth kar hi-t cheet.

Waheguru mantaar so jaap.

Kar ishnaan parh-hay jap jaap.

O Gursikh friends, listen to the rahet, the code of conduct.

Arise in wee hours of the morning and in your heart lovingly contemplate

Meditate upon the mantar ‘Waheguru’.

Take a bath and recite (the Bani) Jap Ji and Jaap (Sahib).

Dohiraa:

vwihgurU gur jwpeI, vwihgurU kir iDAwn ]

mukiq lwB so hoeI hY, gurisK irid mih mwn ]

Waheguru gur jaa-pa-ee, Waheguru kar dhi-aan.

Mukat laabh so ho-ee hai, gursikh ridh meh maan.

Contemplate upon the gur(mantar) Waheguru and focus upon (the sound) Waheguru.

The (resulting) principal benefit the Gursikh will savour in his heart.

In ‘Tankhaa-naamaa’(a composition of Bhai Nand Lall) Bhai Nand Lall tells us that it was Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj who initiated the contemplation of the mantar ‘Waheguru’.

Chaupai

sunhu nMd lwl ieh swj ]

prgt krwauN Apno rwj ]

cwr brn iek brn krwauN ]

vwihgurU kw jwp jpwaUN ]

Souno Nand Lal eh saaj

Parguth krao aapnoo raaj

Chaar baran ek baran krao

Waheguru Ka jaap jpao

Listen Nand Lall with rapt attention.

I will bring into manifestation our reign.

(In which) the four castes I’ll make into one.

(and) initiate the contemplation of the (mantar) Waheguru.

In Bhai Desaa Singh Ji’s rehatnaamaa the instruction from the tenth Emperor is indicated as follows:-

vwihgurU inq bcn aucwry ]

vwihgurU ko ihrdy Dwry ]

Awgy Awvq isMG ju pwvY ]

vwihgurU kI &qy bulwvy ]

Waheguru nit bhachan Ochare

Waheguru Ko Hirde thare

Aage avaat singh jo pave

Waheguru kee Fateh Bolaave

Utter the (mantar) Waheguru daily.

Absorb the (mantar) ‘Waheguru into your heart.

Upon meeting a Singh face to face, utter the salutation of Waheguru (meaning utter Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh).

While the discussion so far has been based on examples from rahetnaamaas, the code of conduct, the Gurbani uttered by the Tenth Emperor, Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji too, re-emphasis that Gurmantar is indeed Gurmantar. In the compilation Sarab Loh Granth Guru Ji states:-

swih goibMd isMg Pqh sqgur kI

vwihgurU suic mMqR AKY ]

Saahe Gobind Singh Satgur Kee

Waheguru Sach Mantar Aake

The Emperor (Sri) Gobind Singh (Ji) extends the fateh (salutation) of the Satguru,

Utter, the true mantar ‘Waheguru’.

Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji states in the ‘Sarab Loh Granth’ that this mantar ‘Waheguru’ is given to the Khalsa by Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, so that the Sikhs of the Guru can contemplate upon this true mantar and merge into the Timeless Being. The text of this instruction is as follows:-

swr mMqR cwroN kw cwr ]

vwihgurU mMqR inrDwr ]

klp klp pRB AKCr khI ]

sRI gur nwnk jwpXo shI ]

inj Awqm pRmwqm drsXo ]

cwr klp mih mMqR srsXo ]

sw mMqR pRB Kwlsh dInw ]

vwihgurU pd pwvn kInw ]

Saar Mantar Chaaro ka Chaar

Waheguru Mantar nirdhaar

Kalp kalp prabh akchar kehee

Sri gur nanak japeoo sehee

Nijh atam prmatam dhrseeo

Char kalp meh mantar sarsheoo

Saa mantar prabh khalse dheena

Waheguru padh pavan keena

The four fold divisions (within the Hindu Dharma) have four separate mantaras.

(Of them all the) mantar Waheguru is supreme.

With great thought and imagination the Primal Being uttered word.

Sri Guru Nanak (got people to) contemplated upon this true (mantar).

(With it) one can experience the presence of the Primal Being within the soul.

It is the summation of the four separate mantar.

This mantar, the Primal Being bestowed upon the Khalsa.

The word ‘Waheguru’ was thus sanctified.

Many faithless Sikhs expressed doubt saying that the mantar ‘Waheguru’, was bestowed to the Gursikh by the tenth Master Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji and this Gurmantar was not in vogue during the time of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji. To caste away this doubt raised by the so called Sikhs, it is essential to give references from the Vaars of Bhai Gurdaas, from the Bani of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and from historical records. Bhai Gurdaas Ji writes:

vwihgurU gurU mMqR hY jp haumYN KoeI]

vaahiguroo guroo ma(n)thr hai jap houmai(n) khoee||

His Guru-manta is Vahiguru, whose recitation erases egotism.

siqgur purK dieAwl hoie vwihgurU scu mMqR suxwXw]

sathigur purakh dhaeiaal hoe vaahiguroo sach ma(n)thr sunaayaa||

Becoming kind, the Guru recites true mantra Vaheguru for him.

Now the point to note here is this that if Guru Nanak Dev Ji had not given Gursikhs the gurmantar ‘Waheguru’ then Braham Gyani Baba Buddha Ji, a much respected and admired Sikh of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, also present at the time of Sri Guru Arjan Dev Ji, could have told Bhai Gurdas Ji that we have been given a different gurmantar by Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji and could have gone on to ask him why had he written that ‘Waheguru’ is the gurmantar. The reason why Baba Buddha Ji did not raise this issue is that Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji gave his Sikhs the gurmantar ‘Waheguru’ and Baba Buddha Ji himself received the same mantar.

Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/15045-waheguru-gurmantar.html

An even bigger proof that ‘Waheguru’ is the gurmantar is that Sri Guru Arjan Dev Ji, the fifth incarnation of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, was himself present and he himself gave the Vaars (compilations) of Bhai Gurdas Ji the status of a key to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. If there was some form of shortcoming in the quotation ‘Waheguru is the gurmantar, its contemplation erases egotism’, then he would have stopped Bhai Gurdas Ji from writing it.

Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15045

As Bhai Gurdas Ji has referred to the word ‘Waheguru’ is gurmantar, it is necessary to give some quotation by way of references from Gurbani as proof that the word ‘gurmantar’ has not only been used in Gurbani but also to show that the instruction to chant the ‘gurmantar’, to contemplate and instill it into the heart came from Guru Maharaj.

pwpiVAw pCwiV bwxu scwvw sMin@ kY ]

gur mMqRVw icqwir nwnk duKu n QIveI ]2]

paaparriaa pashhaarr baan sachaavaa sa(n)nih kai ||

gur ma(n)thrarraa chithaar naanak dhukh n thheevee ||2||

Take aim with the arrow of Truth, and shoot down sin.

Cherish the Words of the Guru’s Mantra, O Nanak, and you shall not suffer in pain. ||2||

duKu klysu n Bau ibAwpY gur mMqRü ihrdY hoie ]

dhukh kalaes n bho biaapai gur ma(n)thra hiradhai hoe ||

Suffering, agony and fear do not cling to one whose heart is filled with the GurMantra.

rsik rsik gun gwvh gurmiq ilv aunmin nwim lgwn ]

AMimRqu rsu pIAw gur sbdI hm nwm ivthu kurbwn ]1]

rasak rasak gun gaaveh guramath liv ounaman naam lagaan ||

a(n)mrith ras peeaa gur sabadhee ham naam vittahu kurabaan ||1||

Through the Guru’s Teachings, I sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord with joyous love and delight; I am enraptured, lovingly attuned to the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

Through the Word of the Guru’s Shabad, I drink in the Ambrosial Essence; I am a sacrifice to the Naam. ||1||

hmry jgjIvn hir pRwn ]

hir aUqmu ird AMqir BwieE guir mMqu dIE hir kwn ]1]

hamarae jagajeevan har praan ||

har ootham ridh a(n)thar bhaaeiou gur ma(n)th dheeou har kaan ||1||

The Lord, the Life of the World, is my Breath of Life.

The Lofty and Exalted Lord became pleasing to my heart and my inner being, when the Guru breathed the Mantra of the Lord into my ears. ||1||Pause||

Satguru Ji gives so much importance to gurmantar, that according to his decree, those persons who do not obtain gurmantar from the Guru, their life is accursed, depraved and equated to some low animals like dogs, swine, donkeys, crows and snakes:-

gur mMqR hIxs´ jo pRwxI iDRgMq jnm BRstxh ]

gur ma(n)thr heenasy jo praanee dhhriga(n)th janam bhrasattaneh ||

That mortal who lacks the Guru’s Mantra - cursed and contaminated is his life.

kUkrh sUkrh grDBh kwkh srpnh quil Klh ]33]

kookareh sookareh garadhhabheh kaakeh sarapaneh thul khaleh ||33||

That blockhead is just a dog, a pig, a jackass, a crow, a snake. ||33||

In Gurbani decrees such as these, ‘contemplate the gurmantar’, ‘give ear to the gurmantar’, ‘chant only the one Naam’, lay stress on this point that, to meditate upon the Timeless Being, to instill His remembrance in the innate self, there is a need for a specific shabad or word and this shabad can only be obtained from the Guru through initiation. That shabad which the Guru gives during initiation is called Gurmantar. In Gursikhi (the Sikh way of life), this shabad is given by the panj piaa-rays (the five beloveds) by way of initiation to a Gursikh during the Amrit ceremony in the presence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. From the time of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Ji till this day, through generations, Guru Sahib has been giving this shabad to the Sikhs in the form of gurmantar. This point is mentioned by Bhai Gurdaas Ji (when he writes): ‘Waheguru is the gurmantar, its contemplation erases egotism’, and the tenth Master says the same thing in the Saraab Loh Granth:

siqgurU isKn pRin aupdysXo ]

vwihgurU suic mMqR ivSysXo ]

Satguru sikhan prin updhesheo

Waheguru sooch mantar vasheseo

The Satguru in instructing the Sikhs said,

Waheguru is the distinctive true mantar.

Gurbani also mentions that without the initiation from the Guru, (divine) knowledge cannot be acquired. Satguru Ji says that, as talking is not possible without the tongue, hearing is not possible without ears, and seeing is not possible without eyes, similarly without getting the initiation from the Guru (divine) knowledge cannot be attained:

quotation from Sri Guru Granth Sahib JiJ M5/1140

ibnu ijhvw khw ko bkqw ]

ibnu sRvnw khw ko sunqw ]

ibnu nyqRw khw ko pyKY ]

nwm ibnw nru khI n lyKY ]2]

bin jihavaa kehaa ko bakathaa ||

bin sravanaa kehaa ko sunathaa ||

bin naethraa kehaa ko paekhai ||

naam binaa nar kehee n laekhai ||2||

Without a tongue, how can anyone speak?

Without ears, how can anyone hear?

Without eyes, how can anyone see?

Without the Naam, the mortal is of no account at all. ||2||

Bhai Gurdas Ji too mentions in his writings that a Sikh upon getting initiation from the Guru, acquires divine knowledge and thus merges in the Guru.

gur isK isK gur soie AlK lKwieAw]

gur dIiKAw lY isK isK sdwieAw]

gur sikh sikh gur soe alakh lakhaaeiaa||

gur dheekhiaa lai sikh sikh sadhaaeiaa||

Being one with each other the Guru and the Sikh have made the Lord perceptible (in the form of Guru).

Getting initiated by the Guru the disciple has become a Sikh.

Those so called Sikhs who say that there is no need to get the gurmantar from the Guru because they can read the Bani of the Guru and get linked with the Timeless Being, then they are advised to carefully read and imbibe in their mind the discussion on gurmantar and initiation by the Guru given above. It is true that Bani is Guru and all the ambrosial nectars are within it, but the acquiring of the ambrosial divine knowledge can only take place when man accepts the message received via Bani and acts upon it.

The above Gurbani deliberations have clarified one thing, that without getting initiation from the Guru, without getting guidance from the Guru, without getting gurmantar from the Guru and without contemplating upon it, man can never be liberated. Man’s wickedness and sins committed over numerous births can only be erased if he accepts the gurmantar as per guru’s instructions and with every breath he contemplates upon it.

gur siqgur kw jo isKu AKwey su Blky auiT hir nwmu iDAwvY ]

audmu kry Blky prBwqI iesnwnu kry AMimRq sir nwvY ]

aupdyis gurU hir hir jpu jwpY siB iklivK pwp doK lih jwvY ]

iPir cVY idvsu gurbwxI gwvY bhidAw auTidAw hir nwmu iDAwvY ]

jo swis igrwis iDAwey myrw hir hir so gurisKu gurU min BwvY ]

gur sathigur kaa jo sikh akhaaeae s bhalakae out(h) har naam dhhiaavai ||

oudham karae bhalakae parabhaathee eisanaan karae a(n)mrith sar naavai ||

oupadhaes guroo har har jap jaapai sabh kilavikh paap dhokh lehi jaavai ||

fir charrai dhivas gurabaanee gaavai behadhiaa out(h)adhiaa har naam dhhiaavai ||

jo saas giraas dhhiaaeae maeraa har har so gurasikh guroo man bhaavai ||

One who calls himself a Sikh of the Guru, the True Guru, shall rise in the early morning hours and meditate on the Lord’s Name.

Upon arising early in the morning, he is to bathe, and cleanse himself in the pool of nectar.

Following the Instructions of the Guru, he is to chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har. All sins, misdeeds and negativity shall be erased.

Then, at the rising of the sun, he is to sing Gurbani; whether sitting down or standing up, he is to meditate on the Lord’s Name.

One who meditates on my Lord, Har, Har, with every breath and every morsel of food - that GurSikh becomes pleasing to the Guru’s Mind.

In the line that appears in the above verse- ‘Following the Instructions of the Guru, he is to chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har’- the instruction is a pointer (to the hukam or command) that the chant that is to be contemplated upon, is the word form of gurmantar of the Timeless Being received as a directive from the Satguru during initiation. The chanting and contemplating of this will erase all the wickedness and sins.

Take the next statement after this - ‘Then, at the rising of the sun, he is to sing Gurbani; whether sitting or standing, he is to meditate on the Lord’s Name’- this is a pointer which says that Gurbani and Naam (gurmantar) received during initiation, individually both are truths. First Gurbani builds up our righteous character and then it motivates us to contemplate upon the Naam. Gurmantar is that shabad through which the Timeless Being Waheguru can be worshipped. This shabad or word in Gursikhi is ‘Waheguru’ which the Guru utters as the Sikh listens. Bhai Gurdaas says in the following quotation:-

inrMkwr Awkwr kr joiq srUp AnUp idKwieAw]

vyd kqyb Agocrw vwihgurU guru Sbd suxwXw]

nira(n)kaar aakaar kar joth saroop anoop dhikhaaeiaa||

vaedh kathaeb agocharaa vaahiguroo gur shabadh sunaayaa||

The formless Lord has been beholden in the form of the light (in Guru Nanak and other Gurus).

The Gurus recited Word-Guru as Vahiguru who is beyond the Vedas and Katebas (the semtic scriptures).

vwihgurU gur Sbd lY iprm ipAwlw cup cw]

vaahiguroo gur shabadh lai piram piaalaa chup chaaa||

The Guru’s word he receives is Vahiguru, the wondrous Lord, and remains silently immersed in delight. // 6/5,

paux gurU gur sbd hY vwihgurU gur sbd suxwXw]

poun guroo gur sabadh hai vaahiguroo gur sabadh sunaayaa||

The Guru’s word is the air, the Guru and wondrous lord has recited Word the Guru. // 9/13,

vyd n jwxY Byd ikhu SyKnwg nw pwey]

vwihgurU swlwhxw gur Sbd Alwey ]]

vaedh n jaanai bhaedh kihu shaekhanaag naa paaeae||

vaahiguroo saalaahanaa gur shabadh alaaeae ||

The Vedas also do not understand this mystery and even the Sesanag (mythological snake having thousand hoods) cannot know its limits.

Vahiguru, God, is eulogised through recitation of the Word of the Guru, Gurbani. (9,13)

Drmswl krqwrpur swDu sMgiq scKMf vswieAw]

vwihgurU gur Sbd suxwieAw]

Dharmsal kirtharpur sadh sangat sachkhand vasaiaa

waheguru gur shabad sunaiaa

Founding dharmasala, the place for dharma, at kartarpur, it was inhabited by the holy congrration as the abode of truth.

Word ‘Waheguru’ was imparted to the people (24/1)

to be continued……..

[Balbir Singh]

Mokham Singh Jee,

In your post # 42, almost all the sentences you have quoted from an article (blog-Waheguru Gurmantar) are not from the true Gurus and Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee. It is a deceitful practice to mix true Guru's Vaaks with false statements from other writers, in my view.

May I ask if you belong to a different religion? The followers of that religion are seeking truth somewhere else.

Balbir Singh

[MokhamSingh]

<br />Mokham Singh Jee,<br /><br /><b>In your post # 42, almost all the sentences you have quoted from an article (blog-Waheguru Gurmantar) are not from the true Gurus and Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee. It is a deceitful practice to mix true Guru's Vaaks with false statements from other writers, in my view. <br />May I ask if you belong to a different religion? The followers of that religion are seeking truth somewhere else.</b><br />Balbir Singh<br />

<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Khalsa Ji<br /><br />Why do you not consider SrGuruGobindSinghJi Maharaj to be a true Guru?

Why do you have a strong dislike for "Waheguru"?

[DustOfTheSaintsFeet]

Passage from Sarbloh Granth - chapter 5, page 631 (Vol. II of Steek)

ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਅੰਸ ਕਲਾ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ, ਤਿਨ ਸੁਭ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਬਖਾਨੇ ॥

Satiguru Nanak is the true lineage (ans) and power (shakti) of the Lord, He recited the pure scripture (granth).

ਨਾਮ ਉਪਾਸਨ, ਨਾਮ ਅਰਾਧਨ, ਨਾਮਹਿ ਜਪੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਪਤਾਨੇ ॥

(In the scripture it says) Worshiping the Name, Taking support of the Name, and reciting the name you shall be carried across (the terrifying ocean that is the world)

ਸਚੁ ਉਪਦੇਸ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਕਉ ਦੀਨਾ, ਬਸਤੁ ਨਾਮ ਨਿਰਬਾਨੇ ॥

Giving the true teaching to the Sangat, the Naam (True Name), it emancipated them

ਮਹਾਂਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਤਾਰਕ ਸਤਿਨਾਮਾ, ਸੋ ਗੁਰੁ ਕੀਨੋ ਦਾਨੇ ॥੩॥

The Guru gave the Great Mantra (MahaMantra), the one which shall take you across (the ocean that is this world), Satinaam (the True Naam)

How is what gurbani and Bhai Gurdas Ji Clearly tells us confusing the population?

nmskwr gurdyv ko siqnwmu ijsu mMqR suxwieAw]

namasakaar guradhaev ko sathinaam jis ma(n)thr sunaaeiaa||

I bow before the Guru (Guru Nanak Dev) who recited the Satnam Mantra (for the world).

Bhai Gurdaas Ji

Vaars Bhai Gurdaas

kiljug bwby qwirAw siqnwmu piV mMqR suxwieAw]

kalijug baabae thaariaa sathinaam parr ma(n)thr sunaaeiaa||

Baba Nanak rescued this dark age (Kalyug) and recited 'Satnam' mantra for one and all.

Bhai Gurdaas Ji

Vaars Bhai Gurdaas

jIqI nauKMf mydnI siqnwm dw ckR iPrwieAw]

jeethee noukha(n)dd maedhanee sathinaam dhaa chakr firaaeiaa||

Subjugating all the nine divisions of earth he established the cycle of Satnam, the True name.

siq nwmu pRB kw suKdweI ]

sat naam parabh kaa sukh-daa-ee.

SGGS 283

siq nwmu qyrw prw pUrblw ]

`Sat Naam` is Your perfect, primal Name.

sat naam tayraa paraa poorbalaa.

SGGS 1083

jip mn siq nwmu sdw siq nwmu ]

Chant, O my mind, the True Name, Sat Naam, the True Name.

jap man sat naam sadaa sat naam.

SGGS 670

jIqI nauKMf mydnI siqnwm dw ckR iPrwieAw]

jeethee noukha(n)dd maedhanee sathinaam dhaa chakr firaaeiaa||

Subjugating all the nine divisions of earth he established the cycle of Satnam, the True name.

Bhai Gurdaas Ji

Vaars Bhai Gurdaas

3 years ago, after being paralysed, beaten, levitated and almost kidnapped and tormented by demons at night I had an important darshan of The most reverred Satguru Nanak Dev Ji...

This was not the first I had had, I had recognised him as my saviour since the age of 3yrs when I would call on him and he would appear in white light and the fear of the Kal would leave.

The next 17 yrs of my life I had many darshans and many of my beloved Satguru Nanak where he would come(while awake) and get rid of demons in my room who were trying to kidnap and levitate me, with the beautiful vibrant blue lights that came out of his eyes and the waterfall of white light that the angels of Sachkandh threw down into my room- I saw him in a gurdwarra in Sachkandh where my heart stopped upon seeing him. His Virtues are such that amrit poured out of his eyes even in pictures. I loved Him and still do.

This time I called on him while being attacked, he came in white light and the most beautiful(worldly language could not describe his beauty), loving, happy presence.

The importance was that He gave me naam. He said, say 'Satnam' and that he would be there.

Since this, I have been doing bhagti and the rewards have been beyond belief, the gyan came from nowhere and once the darshans stopped and I realised the siddhis I had gained were not important as the God lives in no image and is found through the nothingness(Samadhi is required)- the discoveries continued and still do...

Waheguru simran led to me being blessed with 'Satnam' from the mouth of God Himself and on practicing this naam the bhagti sped up times a trillion and more. Satnam is Truth, it is the frequency of God, of what he discovered himself to be. It is of a balanced gyan that applies across a universal spectrum that lives to discover while remaining detached from the nasha of the discover, be it a high or low. Attuned to this frequency one not only discovers truth, they begin to become it, the frequency gets finer and finer with each discovery.

naam rathae sach rehae samaae ||

Attuned to the Naam, they remain absorbed in the True Lord.

eihu man saachaa sach rathaa sachae rehiaa samaae ||2||

This true mind is attuned to Truth, and it remains permeated with the True One. ||2||

naanak sach rathae sae n vishhurrehi sathigur saev samaahi ||2||

O Nanak, those who are attuned to Truth are not separated; serving the True Guru, they merge into the Lord. ||2||

Noone is punished for saying Satnam, it is in the first line of the mool mantar and desbribed as the Mahamantar which takes us across the suffering world ocean in Sri sarbloh Granth- it is named the perfcet primal name by the Gurus themselves and as the True name by Bhai Gurdas Ji- how is reciting a naam(Truth) described as such by God himself (Gurus) confusing a population of Truth Seekers.

The deluded in ego will always claim to be right, but the Gyan of Gurbani is Truth itself, so who cares what a bunch of people say....Akal Takht is corrupt, it's leaders are corrupt and have been for years, sikhi has been tampered with by a bunch of fools who read the gyan and expanded it by twisting it to meet their own criteria, needs and wants, they soiled Truth with the excretement of logic(mind/ ego/ worldly knowledge)...

Logic, falsity and ego will never outweigh Truth, Truth is beyond words, beyond ego, beyond image and form- beyond worldly conceptions and logic- i.e beyond the ego/ mind and all it knows. The heart contemplates Truth, not the mind, because the scum of the mind is what got us into Kalyug in the first place- he Lives in Nothingness- That is the Truth.

If gurbani states that Tuth is His Name in the very second line of Gurbani why do the people not accept it rather than live to the complication of ego and logic (Maya/ illusion)?

One God, Named Truth...Satnam.

[Balbir Singh]

<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Khalsa Ji<br /><br />Why do you not consider SrGuruGobindSinghJi Maharaj to be a true Guru?

Why do you have a strong dislike for "Waheguru"?

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal,

Dear all and Mokham Singh Jee,

You wrote "Why do you not consider SrGuruGobindSinghJi Maharaj to be a true Guru?"

GurGobind is the true Guru and resides in heart (hirdaya) of true Bhagats. It is a bliss to be with Him here and now.

Question "Why do you have a strong dislike for Waheguru?"

This is another proof that your mind is trapped by strange influence.

I cannot live without Waheguru, the praise of the Guru.

*****

A person who has not received true Naam Simran cannot know and praise the Sabad Guru.

Balbir Singh

[MokhamSingh]

Khalsa JiWhy do you have such an aversion for Waheguru?Why do you have such a strong aversion towards SriGuruGobindSinghJi Maharaj?

[DustOfTheSaintsFeet]

Khalsa JiWhy do you have such an aversion for Waheguru?Why do you have such a strong aversion towards SriGuruGobindSinghJi Maharaj?

There is no Aversion, only Gurbani.... Bani is Guru, Guri is Bani... The Mool Mantar sums up the whole of Gurbani, that is why it is the first passage, it is Pure Truth and God himself....

[MokhamSingh]

<br />There is no Aversion, only Gurbani.... Bani is Guru, Guri is Bani... The Mool Mantar sums up the whole of Gurbani, that is why it is the first passage, it is Pure Truth and God himself....<br />

<br /><br /><br />

ਸੇਵਕ ਕੈ ਭਰਪੂਰ ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਵਾਹਗੁਰੂ ਤੇਰਾ ਸਭੁ ਸਦਕਾ ॥

Saevak Kai Bharapoor Jug Jug Vaahaguroo Thaeraa Sabh Sadhakaa ||

सेवक कै भरपूर जुगु जुगु वाहगुरू तेरा सभु सदका ॥

Your servants are totally fulfilled, throughout the ages; O Waahay Guru, it is all You, forever.

12 ਸਵਈਏ ਮਹਲੇ ਚਉਥੇ ਕੇ (ਭਟ ਗਯੰਦ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੪੦੩ ਪੰ. ੧੨

Savaiye (praise of Guru Ram Das) Bhatt Gayand

Khalsa Ji

Mool mantar sums up Gurbani , the above sums up the mool mantar.

[DustOfTheSaintsFeet]

Ik▫oaʼnkār saṯ nām karṯā purakẖ nirbẖa▫o nirvair akāl mūraṯ ajūnī saibẖaʼn gur parsāḏ.

One Universal Creator God. The Name Is Truth. Creative Being Personified. No Fear. No Hatred. Image Of The Undying, Beyond Birth, Self-Existent. By Guru's Grace ~

Jap.

Chant And Meditate:

Āḏ sacẖ jugāḏ sacẖ.

True In The Primal Beginning. True Throughout The Ages.

Hai bẖī sacẖ Nānak hosī bẖī sacẖ. ||1||

True Here And Now. O Nanak, Forever And Ever True. ||1||

No it doesn't- Yes All is Him, But to discover himself/this he sat through millions of ages- He discovered himself to be Truth. Truth is Nirboah and Nirvair, Beyond Image, Beyond Death, All pervading- The frequency of a balanced gyan that lives to discover while remaining detached from the nashas of the highs and lows(the light of truth in form(image) and the darkness of ignorance) that applies across a universal spectrum.....

For us to realise Him/Truth- we need to know his qualities just as he Discovered them Himself, or there would be no point in living.....We are here for the sole reason of discovering Him/ the Gyan he discovered to realise himself, we are following in His footsteps, realising who we truly are- Really we are Him discovering himself all over again through Us- He wished to share his discovery with another, so here we are, drops in His ocean...

We need this to go back to/ realise the Balance, which is Him in His true form (No image, beyond the highs and lows(pleasure and pain) in a state of Nothingness). Without physically applying and realising the gyan of Gurbani, we are simply ignorant/full of darkness, and without going into Samadhi(the state He is in- but he is in the deepest state), we cannot get past the image, even of truth in the form of light, darshans etc...

If bani is Guru and Guru is Bani, the gyan is Him, He himself is the teacher of the gyan- Yes he is everything but Gurbani and gyan is there for us to apply it and physically realise it ourselves so as to merge with Him/Truth, for it is only in ignorance(5 theives) and attachment(still one of the thieves-i.e attachment) to image that we percieve ourselves to be seperate from Him....

Satnam, Truth is his name...