Joot And Food.

[Hau Apraadhi]

This Shabad is by Bhagat Kabeer Ji in Raag Basant on Pannaa 1195

bsMqu ihMfolu Gru 2

basa(n)th hi(n)ddol ghar 2

Basant Hindol, Second House:

<> siqgur pRswid ]

ik oa(n)kaar sathigur prasaadh ||

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

mwqw jUTI ipqw BI jUTw jUTy hI Pl lwgy ]

maathaa joot(h)ee pithaa bhee joot(h)aa joot(h)ae hee fal laagae ||

The mother is impure, and the father is impure. The fruit they produce is impure.

Awvih jUTy jwih BI jUTy jUTy mrih ABwgy ]1]

aavehi joot(h)ae jaahi bhee joot(h)ae joot(h)ae marehi abhaagae ||1||

Impure they come, and impure they go. The unfortunate ones die in impurity. ||1||

khu pMifq sUcw kvnu Twau ]

kahu pa(n)ddith soochaa kavan t(h)aao ||

Tell me, O Pandit, O religious scholar, which place is uncontaminated?

jhW bYis hau Bojnu Kwau ]1] rhwau ]

jehaa(n) bais ho bhojan khaao ||1|| rehaao ||

Where should I sit to eat my meal? ||1||Pause||

ijhbw jUTI bolq jUTw krn nyqR siB jUTy ]

jihabaa joot(h)ee bolath joot(h)aa karan naethr sabh joot(h)ae ||

The tongue is impure, and its speech is impure. The eyes and ears are totally impure.

ieMdRI kI jUiT auqris nwhI bRhm Agin ky lUTy ]2]

ei(n)dhree kee joot(h) outharas naahee breham agan kae loot(h)ae ||2||

The impurity of the sexual organs does not depart; the Brahmin is burnt by the fire. ||2||

Agin BI jUTI pwnI jUTw jUTI bYis pkwieAw ]

agan bhee joot(h)ee paanee joot(h)aa joot(h)ee bais pakaaeiaa ||

The fire is impure, and the water is impure. The place where you sit and cook is impure.

jUTI krCI prosn lwgw jUTy hI bYiT KwieAw ]3]

joot(h)ee karashhee parosan laagaa joot(h)ae hee bait(h) khaaeiaa ||3||

Impure is the ladle which serves the food. Impure is the one who sits down to eat it. ||3||

gobru jUTw caukw jUTw jUTI dInI kwrw ]

gobar joot(h)aa choukaa joot(h)aa joot(h)ee dheenee kaaraa ||

Impure is the cow dung, and impure is the kitchen square. Impure are the lines that mark it off.

kih kbIr qyeI nr sUcy swcI prI ibcwrw ]4]1]7]

kehi kabeer thaeee nar soochae saachee paree bichaaraa ||4||1||7||

Says Kabeer, they alone are pure, who have obtained pure understanding. ||4||1||7||

[Guest asdfasdf]

That shabad seems pretty clear on the matter... unless I am missing something in the translation?

[Wales85]

The whole Joot thing makes absolutely no sense to me. It seems like one of those things where hindu thought has crept into sikh thought....

[Bundha]

The above shabad needs to be read in its context. Bhagat Kabir Ji was of low caste and the brahmins used to treat them with great disdain even to the point that if the shadow of a low caste went over the food of a brahmin then it was considered unfit to eat. This shabad is aimed at those people basically saying that you treat me as so impure but there is impurity all around you.

Those who eat meat say that those who do not are brahmanwaad.

Those who do not get up at amritwela say that amritwela is all the time whenever you do paath is amritwela.

Those who eat others jhoot say that not eating jhoot is brahmanwaad.

This body is a temple it needs to be kept clean, inside and out. If a vessel is dirty and you add milk to it then whats happens to the milk? In the same way if your vessel is dirty then how can the soul inside elevate its sprituality? The more you walk this paath of the Guru the more you realise that it is no walk in the park, you have to restrict your self in all manner of things. Akaal Purkh is PAVITAR, then how can we get close to Him if we are so dirty, inside and out?

If someone smokes, eats meat, drinks alcohol would you eat his jhoot ?

[AnakinSkywalker]

The shabad is clearly saying everything is impure, only those who have obtained pure understanding are pure.

Brahmins also believe in joot..

[AnakinSkywalker]

The real joot you guys need to stay clear from is forgetting the lords name and commiting bad actions.

[Guest OP]

So true. Never though about it that way.

If we lack simran and bani, one could argue

it doesn't make a difference if we have joot because we are no different to others.

It's like keeping sarbloh bibek but if were not

maintaining our AmritVela and bani what's the point.

Personally I still wouldn't have joot because I feel as i try to improve my rehit,

having joot would slow me down. It would have more of a negative impact on

me and pull me down more. Also slowly slowly it would make me think

differently about other things. Eventually I would probably accept

other things we shouldn't do.

This path truly is hard if we let our selves down on simran and Gurbani.

So easy to be led astray from Sikhi.

[Guest Guest]

If you dont understand the concept jhooth you either a) are not amritdhari or b) have very, very bad past karams.

[Bundha]

The real joot you guys need to stay clear from is forgetting the lords name.

Rehit and Naam go hand in hand, you cannot have one without the other. If you keep rehit but you do no simran then you are obviously lacking, but in the same vein if you do simran but have no rehit then equally you are lacking. Guru Ji has said Himself that He perfers rehit before his Sikh.

[AnakinSkywalker]

You mention rehit, although the Guru's Rehit Maryada does not mention Joot specifically it does refer to the following chastisement of Amritdharis:

q. The following individuals shall be liable to chastisement involving automatic boycott:

2. One who eats/drinks Left-overs of the unbaptised or the fallen Sikhs;

http://sgpc.net/rehat_maryada/section_six.html

I didn't find anything about giving, preparing or cooking food for Amritdharis by non-Amritdharis, only about the eating or drinking of leftovers.