Namdhari Behaviour Very Wrong

[Guest MrHSinghK]

Sat Sri Akal Ji,

Sangat Ji please look at the actions of this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv63IOFpaAg&feature=related

[KhalistaniGunMan]

saw this a long time ago...hillarious...nothing more whacky and funny than a nutty kooka lol

[ohifwinterends]

What is he doing...?

[mohinder pal]

kysw kw kir cvru Fulwvw crx DUiV muiK lweI ]1] rhwau ]

kaysaa kaa kar chavar dhulaavaa charan Dhoorh mukh laa-ee. ||1|| rahaa-o.

I make my hair into a fan, and wave it over them; I apply the dust of their feet to my face. ||1||Pause||

[Only five]

Here is another side to the Namdharis sect. Not only do they get their followers to disrespect Gurbani, they go to the extent of protecting Sajjan Kumar.

In this video, HS Hanspal (Minority Commission member) was caught on cam trying to persuade Nirpreet Kaur, 84 Anti Sikh Genocide victim to meet Sajjan kumar for compensation. In a sting operation done by Harinder Baweja, Editor-Investigations Harvinder Singh Hanspal, himself a Sikh and president of Namdhari Darbar, has been shown in persuasive conversation to woo Nirpreet Kaur, a crucial witness, in a case of massacre of the Sikhs, against former MP and Senior Congress Leader Sajjan Kumar. Nirpreet Kaur, whose father was burnt alive, right in front of her eyes, during the November 1984 Sikh massacre in the National Capital has been fighting the case for last more than 26 years to get justice, with no end result in sight.

How can anyone defend such a sect, while distorting Gurbani.

[humkire]

kysw kw kir cvru Fulwvw crx DUiV muiK lweI ]1] rhwau ]

kaysaa kaa kar chavar dhulaavaa charan Dhoorh mukh laa-ee. ||1|| rahaa-o.

I make my hair into a fan, and wave it over them; I apply the dust of their feet to my face. ||1||Pause||

You seem to have used this lovely quotation of SGGS to defend the actions of the guy in the video! This is incorrect according to gurmat of mainstream Sikhi . Why? Because the purpose of that tuk is not to give anyone license to get their dastar off and get into a seemingly mystical frenzy of shaking their head for whatever purpose. Rather, this tuk if read in the context of the shabad at hand is a picturistric description to drive home the point of humility, servitutude and worship of Gurujee. It is using a physical description as a symbol of what needs to shift within a person’s inner being and is best left at that, rather than to be manipulatively extrapolated to wrongfully justify an action that has no place in tat gurmat. If you are an avid paathi of SGGS who reads SGGS with the aid of tikkas and kathas, you would understand this.

[mohinder pal]

Have you heard of Word Called "MASTANA" in Gurbani; if not please please ask any Puran Sant Mahapursh what is the avastha of a Mastana

[khalistan_zindabaad]

Looks more possessed then mastana

[humkire]

Have you heard of Word Called "MASTANA" in Gurbani; if not please please ask any Puran Sant Mahapursh what is the avastha of a Mastana

I am afraid you are not really asking a question here in all sincerity. Rather you are using a question format to imply other’s ignorance of a spiritual state called mastana. a) as I stated previously, mastana or not, the tuk quoted is quoted out of context when used to justify anything other than the real objective of the tuk which is to do with an inner shift. b) a thorough understanding of Gurbani as well as Sikh history shows that Sikhism focusses on sehaj based inner mystical life where the focus is on an inner transformation or revolution within the consciousness rather than outward dramatic expressions and manifestations of masti. If you have been leading a life of simran and bhagtee you would know that there is more strength and progress in bhagti when a person controls his/her urges for outward ‘pentecostal ‘ type of mystical mastanic manifestations and rather at that one point of mastanic elevation, it is better to inwardly surrender that state totally in the presence of Gurujee so that one achieves an even higher more pleasurable inward mastanic experience that does not impinge on one’s immediate physical environment. You need to dig deep into the writings of Bhai Gurdas, Bhai Nand Lal and of course Gurbani to start appreciating the place of masti within Sikh mystical philosophy and how it is to be understood, expressed and interpreted and appreciated. Read Gurbani very carefully to differentiate between the Sikh and Hinduistic interpretation and expression of masti and mastana. None supposed 'mahapurush' can have an avastha as high as Gur Tegh Bahadur Maharaj and yet those 22 years of bhagti and simran as Gurujee awaited His turn were not spent in letting His hair down in a disco style expression of His masti, but rather in a humble inward surrender to God, a state of masti even the greatest of saints can never comprehend.

[mohinder pal]

SOme can control this urge and some cannot. It all depends on which avasthaa is he in.

We cannot Interpret this avasthaa because we have not felt it.

koeI AwKY BUqnw ko khY byqwlw ]

koeI AwKY AwdmI nwnku vycwrw ]1]

BieAw idvwnw swh kw nwnku baurwnw ]

hau hir ibnu Avru n jwnw ]1] rhwau ]