Why Do Ppl Cut Their Hair N Follow Sikhi

[VanHelsingh 1,984]

I think the best thing to do is to make a sticky topic called 'Sikh Rehatnamas'. In that particular topic, all directives regarding keeping kesh, taking amrit, etc., should be displayed as well as showing who the author of the rehatnama was and the nature of their link to Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

These questions and issues - quite rightly - will always occur during the year as people come to this site to learn about Sikhi according to the individual person's journey in learning more about the faith. To stifle curiosity or even shut-down those who are unaware but do not know how to properly express themselves without causing offence is very counter-productive. Like I've said on previous occasions genuine troublemakers can be spotted a mile off, so I don't think its fair to throw the "devious with intent" alongside the unaware who just want answers.

To be honest, up until a few years ago I was under the impression that the directives for keeping kesh and taking amrit WERE in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji! When I use to hear the word "amrit" in Sukhmani Sahib as a child, I thought "Wow, Guru Arjan Sahib had so much foresight that they knew in the future that Guru Gobind Singh Ji was going to ask Sikhs to take amrit". Shame on me but at that young age I had no idea about metaphors, etc. I took everything I heard at face value.

It was only when I started reading up about rehatnamas and the like, did I realise what the situation is.

So if anyone has links to the rehatnamas regarding kesh and amrit, you know what to do. You also might help me as well as I'd also like to read them again! :biggrin2:

[Guru_Da_Chella 19]

Cutting hair is one thing, but people are disrespecting sikhs just for wearing turban and beards these days, including the negative thoughts of munday, and the turban hating of the kuris!

At least get sikh community to respect turban, then keeping hair is the next step, when there is some respect!

[Guest KopSingh]

One thing that needs to stop on this forum is the finger pointing. We all don't follow Satguru completely and are full of mistakes. The second we forget Sri Vaheguru Ji Maharaj is a huge mistake we make, but none of us notice this mistake. If everyone remembered Satguru day and night then everyone would be Amritdhari and we would all follow Rehat. If someone does not want to accept Satguru's Hukam, then help them realize to accept it and if they don't want to be helped, then let them be. We are all are lacking in following Satguru's instructions in one way or another.

The thread was started to knock down people that cut hair. Just few days ago a person was knocking down Amritdharis. There are people on both sides that beat their chest to say i am the highest but both deny Satguru's Hukam. Did such people ever stop to think, how is one person Amritdhari and the other is with cut hair? What did any of them do to be where they are? Sri Vaheguru Ji Maharaj plays this game and he can make the Amritdhari low (cut his hair) in a second and the person with cut hair into an Amritdhari (make him high)

In my opinion Admins need to close this thread.

erm excuse you wen u say there was 'Just few days ago a person was knocking down Amritdharis', i presume ur barking that rubbish towards me since thats all u kept accusin me of. how many times i did mention that i 'wasnt generalising' n how it was 'some' amritdharis. wat a tool u r man. i was givin my experience of SOME amritdharis here in uk. even on sikh channel ppl like dr gurnam singh on his'panth time' show has said how there seems to be a slight anger from amritdharis towards cut hair sikhs. the original poster gave his opinion of cut hair sikhs, yet i aint gettin offended.

[ks55 77]

another pointless debate: and a pointless question ask gurbani:

our destiny to follow or not follow sikhee is ordained due to karms committed in previous lives-

but do try hard as you can to follow sikhe if you can guys- period

[Only five 1,124]

To be honest, up until a few years ago I was under the impression that the directives for keeping kesh and taking amrit WERE in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji! When I use to hear the word "amrit" in Sukhmani Sahib as a child, I thought "Wow, Guru Arjan Sahib had so much foresight that they knew in the future that Guru Gobind Singh Ji was going to ask Sikhs to take amrit". Shame on me but at that young age I had no idea about metaphors, etc. I took everything I heard at face value.

It was only when I started reading up about rehatnamas and the like, did I realise what the situation is.

So if anyone has links to the rehatnamas regarding kesh and amrit, you know what to do. You also might help me as well as I'd also like to read them again! :biggrin2:

Rehat Maryada comes from Gurbani, so the rehat to keep hair and take Amrit has come from Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj. Satguru wrote Rehat Maryada so there is no confusion on what the Guru (Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj) wants from his Sikhs. Today many debates on what a Sikh can do and can't take place. They are all on their own spiritual level and some are very low compared to others and some are high. Many have started their own version of what they think Sikhi is. This takes place because a spiritual low person will not understand Gurbani as Satguru taught Gurmukhs like Baba Deep Singh ji, so they use their intellect to say what they can do and don't have to do. For this Satguru came up with a solution so people don't start twisting Gurbani to suit their way of thinking. The solution was to have Rehat Maryada that directly tells every SIkh, that they must follow Gurmat (Rehat Marayada). This would cause no confusions and Sikhs will continue on learning and adding more of the Rehat Maryada to their lives. As this, today does take place, but many Sikhs today have started putting doubts on Rehat Maryada because their intellect can't understand the reason behind Rehat Maryada, yet Gurbani does say it is right. Everyone is a self-made Saint today and who can we call bad.....they all want to be called teachers........there is a handful of Sikhs left.....everyone else is a Guru with his own palki and chela. Why call Durga bad....when Sikhs have become devis and devta themselves.

[KARKOOSINGH23 16]

we all r not perfect but the least we can do is keep hair to respect our guru and try to livein his hukam . no1 else has a religon kaum like sikhi so we owe our heads mind everything to Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Ji Maharaj because look at what our guru did for us if he didt do all that we wouldnt even be here all the brutalities they put up with so we should dedicate our life to Guru Ji and the least we can do is keep hair and not do the four cardinal sins which elimanite us from the sikh panth , keeping hair is a hukam to , and guru ji loved hair more than his own sons life n u just cut it thas how mcuh guru ji cared but ur hair if you a haircut sikh go and stand with hindus n muslims u wont be able to tell what u r hindu or muslim or sikh but if u have a turban n kes u will tell from far away that look a sikhs coming but we also need to be sikhs from inside to outside n inside

[DalbirSingh 188]

You are so confused that it is not even funny.

You say,"The Kesh rehat is stated in guru gobind singh jis maryada upon khalsa initiation. If this is the way you behave with other people how do expect anyone to embrace sikhi at all, they will look at you thinking you are the truest representation of guru gobind singh and run away."

We want the cowards who cannot obey the hukum of Guru Sahib to run away.

You need courage and faith to follow His hukum and we are Singhs who have been

blessed with courage and the strength to call a spade a spade by our Gurus.

Another example of your comprehension skills, " Eating Pizza doesn't convert you to christianity, pizza is a dish mainly from people who were christian."

Stop making a fool of yourself by writing such things which make no sense at all.

Here is another gem from you,"look at the opposite when sikhs first came to a country were people cut hair, people like maharaja dalip singh cut his hair."

For your poor information Maharaja Dalip Singh was forcibily coverted to christianty and his hair was cut by the cruel english.

lol dalip singh picked up christianity he wasn't forced into it, he by his own choice later became sikh. He was a young impressionable boy they didn't hold him down and cut his hair.

Look your not able to comprehend culture and religious difference. But you have your answer to why people cut there hair according to your logic they are confused simple as and just like the taliban they should all be held down and have paags tied on them and forced to do paath.

Mate culture is defined by the way you talk, what you eat, how you dress, things you think like - culture is the difference between a ponce and a chav. Hope you get that?

Please tell me you understand what culture means, what virsa means? If not please go to an english teacher or an intelligent person ask them what culture means, look it up on the internet, look it up in a dictionary. Go find out what the word culture means young boy, after which I will tell you where babies come from.

However ask yourself next do you think only you will go to heaven and the majority of the world who cuts their hair will go to hell and burn and reincarnate until they are born in your family. Or for cutting their hair all christians, hindus, muslims, jews, buddhist will reincarnate to various stages of animals and you need to save them.

Second to do that if not cutting your hair is following his hukam and will why do you cut your nails then?

[DalbirSingh 188]

Have a read of this: http://www.sikhreview.org/pdf/april2005/pdf-files/pers1.pdf

[DalbirSingh 188]

we all r not perfect but the least we can do is keep hair to respect our guru and try to livein his hukam . no1 else has a religon kaum like sikhi so we owe our heads mind everything to Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Ji Maharaj because look at what our guru did for us if he didt do all that we wouldnt even be here all the brutalities they put up with so we should dedicate our life to Guru Ji and the least we can do is keep hair and not do the four cardinal sins which elimanite us from the sikh panth , keeping hair is a hukam to , and guru ji loved hair more than his own sons life n u just cut it thas how mcuh guru ji cared but ur hair if you a haircut sikh go and stand with hindus n muslims u wont be able to tell what u r hindu or muslim or sikh but if u have a turban n kes u will tell from far away that look a sikhs coming but we also need to be sikhs from inside to outside n inside

When Guru Tegh Bahadur shaheedi was done people couldn't tell the difference between muslim, hindu and sikh all had beards and a turban. It is difficult sometimes with a turban to see if he has kesh and joora and sometimes between a young singhs small beard and a hindus or muslim trimmed beard. These days with punjab you can't tell the difference with some hindus and sikhs people just randomly put a paag on and randomly keep a bushy looking gelled/tied beard or some randomly keep a beard. Some muslims tie paags some were difficult to distinguish. Part of survival in life is fitting in to the crowd sometimes and when you stand out you can suffer from racism, hatred, lack of opportunies in school, jobs, sports, etc. But we all know you can counter act that.

[DalbirSingh 188]

Who else real exist other than Gursikhs in this world? Tell us where in Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj it says Shabad Guru is the Guru? You only know Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj is the Guru because Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj told you and you only know Satguru told you because......wait for it....wait for it.....it's in Rehat.

ਬਾਣੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰੂ ਹੈ ਬਾਣੀ ਵਿਚਿ ਬਾਣੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਸਾਰੇ ॥

baaNee guroo, guroo hai baaNee, vich baaNee amrit saare.

The Word, the Baani is Guru, and Guru is the Baani. Within the Baani, the Spiritual-life giving Nectar is contained.

(Ang 982)

[Only five 1,124]

ਬਾਣੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰੂ ਹੈ ਬਾਣੀ ਵਿਚਿ ਬਾਣੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਸਾਰੇ ॥

baaNee guroo, guroo hai baaNee, vich baaNee amrit saare.

The Word, the Baani is Guru, and Guru is the Baani. Within the Baani, the Spiritual-life giving Nectar is contained.

(Ang 982)

Before i get into this post. I want to say I am not trying to disapprove that Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj is the Guru. The posters DalbirSingh and Consciousness have been spreading manmat on this thread and have bad mouthing posters that go on Gurmat. Manmat means a person who takes anything in life and then uses his understanding of life to say one practice is right or wrong for him or others. With the above pankti, that the poster DalbirSingh posted, i'm demostrate how toxic manmat is because even by posting the above pankti, DalbirSingh is still using manmat; as he is attaching his understanding to Gurbani. In the above pankti we can clearly see that it says Bani is the Guru and not Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is the Guru. Remember before Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj gave Guruship to Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj, Maharaj was refered to as Adi Granth. Without Rehat you can't call Adi Granth Guru because only Rehat tells us Adi Granth is Guru. So in order to use this pankti, the poster DalbirSingh first has to establish that Adi Granth contains Bani in it. Since the poster DalbirSingh likes using manmat, let's use it against him now. He wants to put everything in rational thought (logic here means to put in perspective of DalbirSingh understanding, after all he thinks his mat is higher than Gurmat). So then it would be right to say, we can't use a claim in a source to say what it is. There needs to be outside evidence to say it is what it states to be. Tomorrow DalbirSingh will claim that he is God, do we all of a sudden start calling him God? (Again using DalbirSIngh manmat against him to show how toxic manmat is and by his own logic, he can't use that as evidence) So by the poster DalbirSingh's own rational thought (or so called rational thought), he cannot use that pankti or any other pankti in Adi Granth, since it is not an outside source. Instead of making DalbirSingh think of an argument i'll give him a hand here. DalbirSingh can come back and say to me that he has faith that Adi Granth is the Guru. Fair enough, but this contradicts his own thinking because faith requires a person to leave "rational" thought and trust based on judgment what is "rational". Let's ask how much faith he has that Adi Granth is the Guru? Since by his own post, he implied that he doesn't need a outside source (that's why he posted the pankti by itself), it's fair to say that it's all faith and he has no rational though going into saying Adi Granth is the Guru. By his manmat (he calls it rational thought, but we just saw how rational it really is) DalbirSingh has destroyed his stand to even have a argument.

One thing is forsure and I'll give him the answer, so he doesn't think i'm hiding anything. IF DalbirSingh presents an outside source, then it can be only the one i have said, where we only know because of this reason that Adi Granth is the Guru. And this source is Rehat. But DalbirSIngh don't present this source because then you just wasted your time proving yourself wrong.

So if anyone else want to give DalbirSingh a hand by using their manmat, then please do so because he at this point has no argument.

Speaking in general....Manmat is very toxic and needs to be abandoned when you step into Sikhi. There is only one mat that can pass the test and that will get you to Sri Vaheguru Ji Maharaj. Learn Gurmat, memorize Gurmat, and practice Gurmat, then you will meet Sri Vaheguru Ji Maharaj. When the Guru says keep hair uncut then listen and slowly you will attain mat (understanding) of the Guru and then for this practice you can claim i follow Gurmat, my Guru's path.

[JSinghnz 1,086]

lol dalip singh picked up christianity he wasn't forced into it, he by his own choice later became sikh. He was a young impressionable boy they didn't hold him down and cut his hair.

Look your not able to comprehend culture and religious difference. But you have your answer to why people cut there hair according to your logic they are confused simple as and just like the taliban they should all be held down and have paags tied on them and forced to do paath.

Mate culture is defined by the way you talk, what you eat, how you dress, things you think like - culture is the difference between a ponce and a chav. Hope you get that?

Please tell me you understand what culture means, what virsa means? If not please go to an english teacher or an intelligent person ask them what culture means, look it up on the internet, look it up in a dictionary. Go find out what the word culture means young boy, after which I will tell you where babies come from.

However ask yourself next do you think only you will go to heaven and the majority of the world who cuts their hair will go to hell and burn and reincarnate until they are born in your family. Or for cutting their hair all christians, hindus, muslims, jews, buddhist will reincarnate to various stages of animals and you need to save them.

Second to do that if not cutting your hair is following his hukam and will why do you cut your nails then?

Your nonsensical answers are making it clear that you have no knowledge of Sikh beliefs.

The debate here is about Sikhs keeping their hair as per the Hukum of Guru Gobind Singh Ji

and you show your immaturity by writing,"However ask yourself next do you think only you will go to heaven

and the majority of the world who cuts their hair will go to hell and burn and reincarnate

until they are born in your family. Or for cutting their hair all christians, hindus, muslims, jews, buddhist

will reincarnate to various stages of animals and you need to save them."

This clearly shows that you are a pakhandi or a pretender who is just being a clown on a Sikh forum.

This fact is further proven beyond any doubt whatsoever when you write," if not cutting your hair is following his hukam and will why do you cut your nails then?"

[JSinghnz 1,086]

When Guru Tegh Bahadur shaheedi was done people couldn't tell the difference between muslim, hindu and sikh all had beards and a turban. It is difficult sometimes with a turban to see if he has kesh and joora and sometimes between a young singhs small beard and a hindus or muslim trimmed beard. These days with punjab you can't tell the difference with some hindus and sikhs people just randomly put a paag on and randomly keep a bushy looking gelled/tied beard or some randomly keep a beard. Some muslims tie paags some were difficult to distinguish. Part of survival in life is fitting in to the crowd sometimes and when you stand out you can suffer from racism, hatred, lack of opportunies in school, jobs, sports, etc. But we all know you can counter act that.

The formula for survival in life for cowards and pretenders like you," Part of survival in life is fitting in to the crowd sometimes and when you stand out you can suffer from

racism, hatred, lack of opportunies (whatever that means) in school, jobs, sports, etc

[innergear 35]

Thi so imp2 reed wit all exampls . Thax 4bein so honest. Do u hav the direct quotes of guru's definition of kes so i cam giv 2ma frens so they kno 2. Cos they telln me it hair on hed= kes . Wher did this full kes thing cam 4m ? 1st i herd it ?

[DalbirSingh 188]

Thi so imp2 reed wit all exampls . Thax 4bein so honest. Do u hav the direct quotes of guru's definition of kes so i cam giv 2ma frens so they kno 2. Cos they telln me it hair on hed= kes . Wher did this full kes thing cam 4m ? 1st i herd it ?

Kesh is a sanskrit word the origins are from vedanta itself it was practiced by sahdus, yogi, monastics for yog traditionally however generally many yogis sitting like shiva the deeper meditator get knots the key difference would be dastar and kangha but some argue these were practised even by rajputs. Kesh is still a mandate in Sikhi however the understanding of why is butchered by people they make things up and follow it blindly.