Four Of The 5 Pyaaray Were Not Punjabi

[chatanga]

On 18/04/2013 at 8:31 AM, Koi said:

Bhai Daya Singh Ji - Luv (Son of Bhagwan Ramchandar Ji Maharaj)

Bhai Dharam Singh Ji - Bhagat Dhanna Ji

Bhai Himmat Singh Ji - Phandak (The hunter ("Biyaad") who captured "Chattarbhuj Panchhi Bhagwan")

Bhai Mohkam Singh Ji - Bhagat Namdev Ji

Bhai Sahib Singh Ji - Bhagat Sain Ji

 

On 19/04/2013 at 3:42 PM, tuhintuhin said:

waheguru ji....heard this from Giani Thakur Singh ji's katha..........but nobody's gonna believe this here.....they need logical proofs that can satisfy their limited knowledge....

 

Sant gurbachan Singh was not the first to write this. The above re the Panj Pyare was written by Bhai Koer Singh in Gurbilas Patshahi 10 in 1751.

[13Mirch]

2 hours ago, SinghSabha1699 said:

That's an undeniable fact Chatanga Ji.

Damdami Taksal and your beloved leader Sant Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma Khalsa Brindranwale did indeed campaign for Congress and Indira Gandhi in the 1980 elections - with disastrous end results for our Qaum thereafter. The majority of the Sikh Panth was with Akali Dal in the 1980 elections - yet Damdami Taksal conspiciously chose to stand with Congress and the likes of Raghunandan Lal Bhatia. How else do you think Sant Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma Khalsa Brindranwale got his American passport during Congress rule whilst the rest of the Panth was destroyed in the Congress Party Genocide of Sikhs.

So what if Damdami Taksal choose to push the above Hindutva-sponsored mythology about our Panj Piare. The majority of the Panth recognise the above DDT allegation against our Panj Piare as a denigration not only of the Panj Piare but also the highest of high Gurmukhs who authored Gurbani (who were already mukht).

If I remember correctly, Dhumma was a minor player then but one who sold his soul to the authorities along with Jasbir Rode and Dr. Sohan Singh. 

[13Mirch]

6 hours ago, chatanga said:

 

 

Sant gurbachan Singh was not the first to write this. The above re the Panj Pyare was written by Bhai Koer Singh in Gurbilas Patshahi 10 in 1751.

Can you provide the exact references as to where this is written in the Gurbilas? 

[Guest AjeetSinghPunjabi]

Yet again, like the last 10 yrs we're here fighting on cyber space with out keystrokes ! 

come on guys, we need to remember history but not so much that we keep talking about that only ! 

smell the coffee, wake up , lets use the cyber space for good of sikhi lets becomes one  

lets see the challenge that is inevitable if things go like this

1) Sikhs becoming minority ! (because christians come on doordarshan punjabi , preaching in punjabi and "jesus satguru" and langar in churches, at peak viewing hour)

2) RSS attacks our faith with petty remarks that would falter away like melter butter if we just knew basics of our faith and also of their faith (Upanishads are an interesting spiritual read I would recommend to everyone)

3) Drugs is spoiling our name and rep 

4) Apostasy all time high . We need to capture the blitz and fashion industry and carve a niche where full kesadhari is the "new se xy" .pardon my words but our youths are gonna go away if a handsome young dude in hair cut and cool clothes comes up and is portryed as more cool while our pajama type guys are portrayed as buffoons for bollywood. Time for "smart sardaar"

Why can't we have a rule in punjab , that atleast when it comes to fashion advertisements , either in print media, social media, tv or billboards, we need full kesadhari cool looking sikh mundey and kudia . Preaching is not gonna reach to ignorant youth of ours 

5) YoYo Honey Singh and the likes are just ruining our community and our language ! Stop patronizing them ! They fed out of punjab , Punjabi language gave them platform but now they lambast the same language ! 

[chatanga]

17 hours ago, SinghSabha1699 said:

That's an undeniable fact Chatanga Ji.

So come on then. Provide the evidence that I have been asking you for for almost 2 years now. Thanks bi'ray.

 

17 hours ago, SinghSabha1699 said:

So what if Damdami Taksal choose to push the above Hindutva-sponsored mythology about our Panj Piare. The majority of the Panth recognise the above DDT allegation against our Panj Piare as a denigration not only of the Panj Piare but also the highest of high Gurmukhs who authored Gurbani (who were already mukht).

 

It wasn't the hindus who wrote Gurbilas 10 and the rest of the sikh historical texts bi'ray, it was Sikhs.

 

There you go with your majority again. What majority? Allegations? Brilliant.

 

 

[chatanga]

14 hours ago, 13Mirch said:

Can you provide the exact references as to where this is written in the Gurbilas? 

Here you go Sir.

 

[chatanga]

16 hours ago, Preeet said:

Vaheguru ji Ka Khalsa
Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh ji

I read Bhai ``Himmat Singh Ji - Phandak (The hunter ("Biyaad") who captured "Chattarbhuj Panchhi Bhagwan")``, but who was Phandak/Biyaad?

If oim not mistaken he was the one who killed Krishan.

[13Mirch]

3 hours ago, chatanga said:

Here you go Sir.

 

And the fact that mythologizing narratives was an accepted practice then should be enough to dissuade one from thinking that the Panj Piares were some incarnations.

[Koi]

3 hours ago, chatanga said:

If oim not mistaken he was the one who killed Krishan.

Nope, different one. This is the one that captured the Chattarbhuj Panchhi.

[TejS]

I personally think Guru Sahib made it clear to us with the Panj Pyaare being from all corners of India what his intent for Sikhi was. He didn't want it to be restricted among Punjabi, and its unfortunate it has been so. And the culprits for this are us Punjabi. I personally think that we need to spread awareness among other communities. A significant non-Punjabi Sikh population are Sindhi people. They're very devoted to the Sikh Panth, however are also verging on Santana Dharmic ideals. A little more awareness among them would help them correct their ways. We also need to reach out to other communities, especially those that are related to the Panj Pyaare and also those not related as well. Most individuals from the Panth will say that this is proselytization, but I disagree. If you won't spread awareness, how will one know about it?

The issue is who will do this? Our own Panthic organizations are weak and uneducated, and can be easily bought over. We need to renew our Panthic foundation, but I don't know how that is possible?