Foods To Avoid.

[Sherdil]

If you wanna be vegetarian for religious reasons, then more power to you. However, let's not perpetuate the myth that vegetarians are healthier than meat eaters. Vegetarians (vegans especially) have their own health complications because they don't get enough vitamins in their diet. They have to turn to artificial means to attain the same nutrients that meat eaters get naturally. Some of my Hindu friends are vegetarians and they get sick a lot more than the meat eaters I know.

No meat? Then you better get your Vitamin B12 elsewhere otherwise you will have trouble with mental cognition and depression.

You don't want to drink milk? Then you better be taking vitamin D supplements otherwise you will develop osteomalacia.

Yes that is a gruesome video of the butcher house, but what about putting your sword through someone on the battlefield? Killing animals is wrong, but killing people is ok?

Waheguru never meant for us to eat meat? Then why do we have canines? Any dentist will tell you that canine teeth are meant for ripping through flesh.

If you don't want to eat meat, then good for you. Rabb rakha. But don't act like you are better or healthier than people who do eat meat.

[singher23]

^exactly

[panthicunity]

veer sherdil you seemed to have drunk the koolaid

You don't want to drink milk? Then you better be taking vitamin D supplements otherwise you will develop osteomalacia.

US has worlds largest diary consumption yet worlds highest rates of osteoporosis....

Vitamin D that we get from sun and Calcium from spinach is more than enough to support strong bones.

I get my vit B12 from sprouts so I am good there ..... plus all the cereals and breads in the west are already supplemented

If you don't want to eat meat, then good for you. Rabb rakha. But don't act like you are better or healthier than people who do eat meat.

So all the hunderds of research articles that associate animal fat/ protien to disease / pathogenesis are unfounded too ......

Again dont take my word for it, try the 21 day vegan challenge and see the changes for yourself

The month and a half I have been vegan , I have lost 4 pounds from my belly and my blood pressure has gone from 125/78 to 110/70 ......

Carl lewis when he was comepeting was a complete vegan, so are various UFC fighters.

If you can download, watch Forks over knives....

Regarding canines - they are for biting into apples and other hard fruits/ vegetables , if yo think they are for eating flesh try jumping on a cow's backside and digging your canines into her hood - all you will get is a good kick ....

And singher bhaji - even though your milk is organic you are still stealing it from the cow , which she intended to be for her calf - ask the farmer what he does with the male calves btw

[HDSH]

Please do not aruge regarding meat. Dhanwaad

[Khalistan4eva]

Its a myth that Vegans and Eggetarians are weaker than meat eaters. Don't know how a Sikh can say such things. Obviously the meat/dairy industry spin is being bought.

[panthicunity]

FROM SGGS -

ਜਉ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਉ ਮੁਰਗੀ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥

Jo Sabh Mehi Eaek Khudhaae Kehath Ho Tho Kio Muragee Maarai ||1||

जउ सभ महि एकु खुदाइ कहत हउ तउ किउ मुरगी मारै ॥१॥

You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens? ||1|| 5 ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੫੦ ਪੰ. ੫

Please do not aruge regarding meat. Dhanwaad

But guru ji thought it was worth including this line in our 11th guru , yet sikhi forums prohibit any talk about meat

[Sherdil]

Alright HDSH ji, this is my last comment.

People aren't outside enough to make the vitamin D we need. Especially darker skinned people like us who are living in Europe or North America, where sunlight is not as abundant as it is back on the subcontinent.

Milk has calcium and vitamin D. Calcium prevents osteoporosis and vitamin D is needed to absorb calcium into the body. There isn't a more efficient food source to obtain your vitamin D and calcium needs than milk. I don't know what research you are citing, but a lot of things can contribute to osteoporosis like menopause, high caffiene intake, hyperparathyroidism, arthritis, corticosteroid medications and smoking. I wonder if all these things were taken into consideration in the study you are referencing.

Vegans are the most likely people to suffer from protein deficiency. Every person that eats meat isn't dying of disease. Carl Lewis is a dime a dozen, but how many supplements was he taking again? How many meat eating athletes are there compared to vegan athletes?

You could have lost the weight and lowered your BP by cutting down on salt, fat, sugar, and exercising. You didn't have to become vegan.

The South Asian diet is mostly plant based, yet we are still plagued by diabetes, high BP, and heart disease.

Canines are for ripping flesh. Incisors are for biting into hard fruits.

We all know that the best way to get your steak is to chase it down and bite into it while it is still alive right? LOL!

I will stick to real food. You enjoy your artificially fortified cereals and vitamins (yummy!). You do you, and I will do me. We can all be a happy family.

The End

[singher23]

Guys this is a good thread with a lot of valuable info. Let's not get it locked by arguing about meat. On a side note I just enjoyed a nice cold glass of some full fat dudh

[panthicunity]

Milk has calcium and vitamin D. Calcium prevents osteoporosis and vitamin D is needed to absorb calcium into the body. There isn't a more efficient food source to obtain your vitamin D and calcium needs than milk. I

Protien that invariably comes with milk casues protien induced hypercalciurea , also causes mild metabolic acidosis ..perfect for seeping calcium and other minerals out of your bones

Under controlled dietary conditions the level of dietary protein has a profound and sustained effect on urinary calcium and calcium retention of man. Young adults achieve calcium balance at low intakes of 500 mg calcium and 700 to 1,000 mg phosphorus when protein intake is 50 g. Large calcium losses occur at the same calcium and phosphorus intakes when the protein intake is increased approximately threefold. The protein-induced hypercalciuria is due mainly to a decrease in fractional renal tubular reabsorption of calcium, although an increase in glomerular filtration rate is also involved.

Source - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7250387

There is no such thing as protien deficiency (kwashiorkor happens exclusively in extremely low calorie intake situations).

[Wingz23]

well i for one am going to stick to my chips, burgrs and fatty foods.. this will keep me going...