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[singhgsingh]

Well you can ask his students about it like a true researcher than researcher with bias.. It's already confirmed with gyani inderjit singh ji bhindranwale and i personally confirmed with sant hari singh ji randhawale...sunny_love kirtan member has a recording of it...you can confirm with any of his senior students including- bhagat jaswant singh ji and sant mohan singh bhindranwale...onus is on you guys- who use taksal mahapursh as token to pick and choose stuff..!! How bloody convenient..!!

Students and Teachers have different opinions. Hari Singh Randhawa is very anti meat whereas you claim Older Taksali Singhs had no issue with it. Now who is picking and choosing?

[Consciousness]

You are under the impression that Vikaarn limits Gurbani, It doesn't. Viakaarn is just there just like Siharis and Biharis are in Gurbani, Grammar too is part of Gurbani. Everyone uses grammar, ਭਗਤ means Bhagat i.e. Devotee while ਭਗਤਿ with a siharee means Bhagtee i.e. devotional worship. I learned this from a Sampardaic source. This is Grammar. Gurbani is not limited to grammar. Gurbani is limitless.

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Your point of Vedas and Avtaars is a whole different story and I don't really want to get into useless debates as we know both of our opinions aren't going to change. I in no way can believe Krishan is God and is in Sach Khand, you on the other hand of no issue in believing that. I don't have the time or patience to discuss this. And Yes I have listened to Sant Gurbachan Singh's katha and no where has he said that Krishan is not God and is not in Sach Khand, in fact he has said that Krishan did not find God's end.

If Sant Jagjit Singh believes that Krishan is in Sach Khand and you want to believe that then feel free. I have a lot of respect for Sant Jee he is a Bhagat and does a lot more Bhagtee then I can ever even dream of.

Actually grammar in a way does limit gurbani because there are tuks where if grammar is not employed then the tuk has another meaning, which is also in line with gurmat. However if one only looks through the lens of grammar then that beautiful meaning will be missed out so therefore making grammar a limitation. But in no means am I saying that learning grammar is wrong but it is still a limitation - think about it putting grammar rules to turki bani (unlimited bani) is always causing some sort of limitation.

Students and Teachers have different opinions. Hari Singh Randhawa is very anti meat whereas you claim Older Taksali Singhs had no issue with it. Now who is picking and choosing?

Please don not talk about meat it is against forum guidelines. Krishna has obtained sackhand as he has received naam from guru nanak dev ji.

[singhgsingh]

Actually grammar in a way does limit gurbani because there are tuks where if grammar is not employed then the tuk has another meaning, which is also in line with gurmat. However if one only looks through the lens of grammar then that beautiful meaning will be missed out so therefore making grammar a limitation. But in no means am I saying that learning grammar is wrong but it is still a limitation - think about it putting grammar rules to turki bani (unlimited bani) is always causing some sort of limitation.

We do not impose these rules on Gurbani. The rules are already within Bani. Sri Guru Arjan Dev Jee Mahraj when compiling Aad Beerh created a numbering system is this a limitation on Bani? It is a way for mistakes and Kachi Bani to be easily recognized.

[singhgsingh]

Please don not talk about meat it is against forum guidelines. Krishna has obtained sackhand as he has received naam from guru nanak dev ji.

There is nothing wrong with mentioning meat in a discussion, this is not a debate about Meat.

Prove that Krishan received Naam from Guru Nanak Dev Jee.

[Consciousness]

We do not impose these rules on Gurbani. The rules are already within Bani. Sri Guru Arjan Dev Jee Mahraj when compiling Aad Beerh created a numbering system is this a limitation on Bani? It is a way for mistakes and Kachi Bani to be easily recognized.

No you are not understanding what I mean. Yes the rules must have been there so some sort of system could be followed but the rules are still a limitation like I described above, especially when looking at the meanings of tuks at different angles.

[Consciousness]

There is nothing wrong with mentioning meat in a discussion, this is not a debate about Meat.

Prove that Krishan received Naam from Guru Nanak Dev Jee.

Well if you read the bhagvad gita in detail and speak to scholars who have also studied it - it shows how krishna did know naam but I don't want to get into this as it requires a massive write up. Well from what you are writing it seems that you believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that the bhagats (prior to 1469) were waiting in karam khand before guru sahib gave them entry to sachkand? So prove this.

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Hari Singh Randhawa is very anti meat whereas you claim Older Taksali Singhs had no issue with it. Now who is picking and choosing?

Show me where he spoke against dal panth maryada of jhatka..he would never just like his teacher or other taksal had no issue with nihang dal panth jhatka maryada...He debated with inderjit ghagha regarding meat..that needed to be done..rightly so..even dal panth does not agree with missionary style - eat meat from punjabi jhatka shops or kfc restaurant etc..As far as i know baba hari singh randhawale close relative is nihang singh dal panthi. Kam1825 member on here is a student of sant hari singh ji..may be he could shed some more light on this and overall topic.

[singhgsingh]

Many times in his Katha he has spoken against meat. I don't have the exact kathas memorized.He has said many times that jhatka is wrong as well. He said doesn't matter how you cut the head off its still wrong and against Gurmat. Even Thakur Singh Patiala has recently said that Nihangs doing Jhatka is wrong.

[Gurdaspuria E12]

I got to have sangat of Sant Hari Singh this past summer in east london. Many times in Katha he said meat and jhatka is wrong. A singh from the sangat asked Sant ji in his room if jhatka at hazoor sahib is correct he said its manmat and put forth evidence including a historical document he has found on how it was introduced. I dont want to debate anything as i have been to hazoor sahib and dont like to dwell on controversional points.