Waheguru manatar vs mool mantar

[stingers12]

Which mantar is stonger ........ Y is more Sants tht do mool mantar part of nitnem then gurmantar ....... I can't recall tht much Sants tht did gurmantar meaning there main Bhagti

[Jaggaa]

Quote - "Y is more Sants tht do mool mantar part of nitnem then gurmantar"

Are these assumptions you are making or have you done sangat of a "Sant"(s) on a day to day basis and found this to be the case?

Quote - "I can't recall that much Sants the did gurmantar meaning there main Bhagti"

Seems like another assumption. You can't ask questions based on your own assumptions, just not a valid question. Unless you are trying to ask the forum whether more Sants do Mool Mantar or Gurmantar? Even if such a question is answered here on the forum it would be much better for you to ask a Sant this question.

From what I know there is no difference in the Abhyaas of either Gurmantar or Mool Mantar.

[N30S1NGH]

They are both stronger and as Jagga veer pointed out there is no difference between Gurmantar and Mool Mantar. I never understood why we as sikhs have so many doubts and sansas regarding mantras within gurbani.. coming back to the topic both gurmantar and mool mantar have nirgun/sargun gyan and both are extremely deep penetrating mantras and both mantras are agam agad bodh and yes both are capable to take who recites with full pyar/sharda/dedication/vidhi to sachkhand.

Gurbani is agam agad bodh its complete shabad guru and complete manifestation of Vahiguroo nirankar himself. I think question should not be which mantar within gurbani is stronger but rather question should be put fwd to those who is meditating on mantra or gurbani- how far one is willing to dive into gurbani (Agam agad bodh) and get lost in it?

Just to give everyone who may have doubts on mool mantar or gurmantar which one is stronger, just to reiterate its not the mantra within gurbani but again how far you willing to dive in it. I have a mona freind who is being meditating on mool mantar for 6 years now with full dedication, he is feeling vibration of mool mantra, he can hear the shabad resonance/dhuni inside when he sits in meditation. So if him being a mona can hear shabad(mool mantra) inside running then any gursikh can and should able to with mool mantar...so wake up guys, don't waste on dilemma which mantar(gurmantar/mool mantar) i should jap, just jump right in..times running out, there is no certainty in life - we don't know if our breath went out coming back in or not..remember death each and every breath you won't forget jaap.!!

[luckysingh99]

How can we be asking what mantar is better ???

This is a question that is insulting to sikhism. - It's like asking who is/was the better guru out of the ten !!!!

..........This is ridiculous............

[Only five]

None are stronger than each other. It all depends on a person and how high or low their jeevan is. For some Mool Mantar helps them see Vaheguru clearly and for some its Vaheguru simran. Each one has its own purpose, but gets a person to the same destination. One is not faster than the other either. If you are more concsious of yourself, then at times.....depending on what Bani you read, you will want to do one over the other. But then another time you will want to do the other one. And sometimes Maharaj does so much kirpa you want to do both with all the energy in ur body not stop for countless hours.

Giani Thakur Singh ji said, instead of talking about Sikhi, just start practicing it and you'll find out the answers. Satguru also said this in Gurbani, by saying truth is high, but higher is truthful living. Practice, contemplate, experience, and then become one.

[bluespace]

Paaji, no mantar is stronger than the other it all depends on your avastha. Gurbani is sampooran. You can meditate on sukhmani manglacharan if you want or jaaap sahib, gobinde mukhande....or ay mantra that takes you from where you are to ananad..simran is a marothan not a sprint......we all know our own individual sehaj anand/yog just get in tune with your real self...try one week with mool mantra then try one week with vaheguru mantra......all the best...

[singhguvi]

sant baba isher singh ji did 5 hrs of simran a day. Waheguru mantar is mantar of all 4 ages. The strongest mantar out of them all. Waherguru mantar jaap takes alot more concentration then other jaaps. Baba nand singh ji did over 11,000 mool mantars a day and they did alot of simran too.

[N30S1NGH]

As mentioned guys, its not good to have doubts within gurbani ( as to which mantar is powerful.. mool mantar vs gurmantar?) but with that being said, mool mantar have its own purpose- sant isher singh ji maharaj rara sahib used to advise students to do 108 paki mala mool mantar a day (108 kachi mala= 1 paki mala) for 1 year before even taking amrit from panj pyares from his jatha, so one is mentally ready for amrit, and also so one's birthi/surti (intuition which is spread all over) becomes more shuksham(subtle) and subtle to the point where one consciousness start slowly getting attached in the mantra/shabad.

Many bhramgyanis including damdami taksal bhramgyanis advise their students starts with 108 japji sahib, sava lakh of mool mantar a day precisely because as beginner it will hard to grasp/take in intensity on vahiguroo mantra or bij mantra- ikongkar. As a beginner one surti/intuition is not subtle as its spread out everywhere so longer the mantra ( be it mool mantar, mala mantra- japji sahib) easier it is for beginners to concentrate on meaning/make their surti/birthi more more subtle.

One could take mool mantra, mala mantra as pre-requisite for beginners but with that being said, there is no hard and fast rule, it depends on the individual- one could dive in mool mantra and have its surti lost it in and get their consciousness connected to it fully and get to sachkhand but on other hand depending on person's avastha- after one's surti becomes sukhsham/subtle yet not fully connected to mantra can jump in doing jaap of gurmantra- Vahiguroo to intensify their bhagti..!!

There is no hard and fast rule regarding this one, depends on each individual person's avastha.

[Raaj.Karega.Khalsa]

I thinks the following attachments might help understand about the importance of Gurbani in relation to (not as opposed to) Gurmantar.
These are excerpts from the book "Naam te Naam da data Satguru" written by Bhai Saheb Bhai Randheer Singh Ji.

The gist of it all is as quoted: "Gurbani di sahaeta ton bina naam de simran vich navin chardi kala nahin wartdi, jo gurbani paran sunan wale naam abhiyaasi di dasha vich wartdi te pallardi hai, kyonki Gurbani te naam dono ot-pot han. Gurbani di paaras kala di sahaeta ton sakhne nire naam de abhiyaasi aksar khardi kala vich reh jande han."

(apologies for lousy transliteration)

In English: Without the help of Gurbani, there is no Chardi-kala (uplifting?, uprising?) in the chanting of Naam (Gurmantar/Waheguru)...that happens in the case of a seeker who reads and listens to Gurbani, because Naam and Gurbani are bother interrelated. Without the 'paras-kala' (?don't know correct translation?) of Gurbani, mere chanters of Naam, usually have no progress spiritually.

Edit: point being that Mool Mantar and Gurmantar are inter-related. It's not wise to speculate which one is stronger than the other.

[MokhamSingh]

Which mantar is stonger ........ Y is more Sants tht do mool mantar part of nitnem then gurmantar ....... I can't recall tht much Sants tht did gurmantar meaning there main Bhagti

Khalsa Ji

I heard in katha once the significance of reading/listening to Gurbani , meditating on Mool Mantar , and meditating on Waheguru Mantar.

Khalsa Ji imagine the following scenario:

A farmer ploughs the field in order to prepare the soil for planting the seed. He tills the soil removing the unwanted weeds/impurities etc. Upon tilling the soil he sows the seeds. At the correct season with the aid of water and the fence/scarecrow etc. the seeds take root and deliver fruition. He cuts the crop thus filling his store with an abundance of wealth.

Khalsa Ji in a similar way Gurbani teaches us the way to remove the weeds/impurities of maya from our minds as the jagyasoo realises the virtues of the creator as opposed to one's deh hangta {ignorance}. Gurbani reading/listening can be seen as tilling the soil of the mann {mind}. Once the jagyasoo realises the need to sow the seed of the creator he/she begins to meditate on Mool Mantar.This can be seen as sowing the seed. Once the seed of Mool Mantar takes root and blossoms in the form of ikagarta {concentration/yearning} then the jagysoo reaps the rewards of their harvest by filling the store house of their Atma with Waheguru as a result of meditating on Waheguru.

Just a personal opinion Khalsa Ji so apologies in advance for any inaccuracies.

Waheguru.Waheguru.Waheguru.