Taksal faction under Baba Harnam Singh has NOT changed Gurbani

[chatanga]

The story about Baba Dhumma's taksal faction changing gurbani is not accurate.

Just doing a simple search on the net has provided these examples, not to mention a pdf of a Puratan Saroop of Aad Guru which i downloaded from the net.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jivanpalsingh/3043777885/in/photostream/

So we can safely say that it is not accurate reporting that there has been any changes by Baba Dhumma's Taksal, just that they are copying from a version that doesnt havent.

Some of you should know better than to pick up the story's of these sorts and post them here to make yourself look important and other look stupid.

[chatanga]

here are another 2, the first of which has 2 lots of 2 dandia after "jap"

[chatanga]

here's the one from flickr:

[Sherdil]

I thought only SGPC was allowed to print saroops.

[chatanga]

In recent years because of business men have Saroops being printed and then sellinbg them to undesirable places, where nobody asked questions on why or who wanted them, sgpc took thge decision that only it would prepare saroops and vet the places requiring them.

Since Taksal doesnt sell ther saroops, they can print their own. There is no danger of them going to anyplace undesirable.

[Singh559]

I just looked at the picture multiple times and correct me if I'm wrong, those pictures you posted confirm that Dhumma changed Gurbani?

If you compare the changed one by Dhumma it removed the dandian all together which is deliberate. If he had done it exactly like the ones you posted above do you really think there would have been a problem?

You either do it right, admit a mistake or expect to be seeing for what he is doing.

[Sherdil]

I don't think it is about selling saroops to undesirable places.

It is about ensuring uniformity in all saroops printed, and avoiding controversies like this one.

[singhfauja]

I will have to agree with veer Chatanga as these puratan saroops themselves are not consistent in the manner Gurbani was scribed.

It seems that the overzealous writers of this "news" article did not have all the facts on hand when they put this article together.

The truth is that pretty much 100% Saroops printed or scribed today do not have the same text and lagga-matra as the original Damdami Birr.

Contrary to all the claims by various Sikh institutions, it is an accepted fact that the Panth no longer has in it's possession the original Damdami Birr or a direct copy of it.

Despite the fact that Sikhs are the only people that considers their scriptures as "Guru", as a Panth, we have no system or procedures to check for the accuracy of the text that is either written or published as a saroop of Guru Granth Sahib Ji. In the past much of the blame of this carelessness had been thrown on Nirmala and Udasee scribes of the 18th and 19th century - some of it unfairly since it was the Panth's duty to independently verify the accuracy of this seva.

Consider the manner how the Jewish Torah, which Jews do not even consider as their Guru, is precisely handwritten and exhaustibly reviewed for accuracy and can be invalidated even if a single error is made in the text. Does this mean Jews have more respect for the Torah than we have for Guru Granth Sahib Ji? At least it seems like it in all practicality.

Sadly, most handwritten saroops and published saroops contain hundreds of variations and differences in the Gurbani text and lagga-matra. Nothing is ever done about it, in fact, in due time, those saroops themselves become the source for text when new Saroops are written or published.

At a Panthic level, no effort has being made to identify and preserve the original Gurbani text and lagga-matra, except by the late Bhai Joginder Singh Talwara, along with Vedanti Ji who spent more than 20 years researching puratan Saroops - many of them have since perished due to the 1984 attack and general neglect. Additionally, no effort has been made to implement fruits of their invaluable research.

More than 50 years ago, Udasai Harnam Daas (formerly known as the Budha Dal Nihang Naurang Singh, who compiled and standardized Sarabloh Granth after years of researching Sri Dasam Bani and Guru Granth Sahib Ji's Bani), finally concluded that the the not only was the Kartarpuri Birr (currently with the Sodhi family) not the original Birr but that he had not come across an accurately scribed Saroop of Guru Granth Sahib in all the years of his research.

The ardously compiled "Paatth Bhedan Dee Soochee" by Bhai Randhir Singh (SGPC Research Scholar), Giani Kundan Singh, and and Bhai Gian Singh Nihang illustrates the wide differences of text across the widely known puratan Saroops housed by the Panth.

The sad truth is nothing is being done to solve this most serious dilemma. In the digital media, these inaccuracies are now being imported into Gurbani search engines, and mobile apps and thus the errors continue to proliferate exponentially..

Instead of blaming each other, fighting over petty issues, perhaps the priority of the Panth should be to revive the research to standardize on the most "sudh" printing of the Damdami Saroop - shabd by shabd, akhar by akhar, lagga-matra by lagga matra.

Guru bakshish karay!

[Singh559]

Well said ^ and thanks for sharing that information, I didn't know about that. When you put that into perspective it's quite scary to think about how much we've lost in terms of our history (but we still have it and need to preserve it).

I sincere observation - the Gurbani printed by Dhumma faction, to the best of what I saw, doesn't match any of the various puratan Saroop of Guru Sahib Bani at all. None of the puratan saroops cut out the dandian all together before Jap which isn't in any of the puratan saroops.

[13Mirch]

Writera de maro chittar, Punjab media te Indian media de maro chittar.