pakistanis and mughals

[Jonny101]

its going to be a long civil war in afghanistan cause taliban will come back and india going to try bring back northern alliance and arm

tajiks hazaras uzbeks

it will be good if the sikh regiment is in kashmir to woop the pasthuns

but i think inida will hope taliban turn on pak govt

If the last civil war is anything to go by then the Taliban will eventually win and take over after a few years of fighting. From then on one can expect their next target to be next door in Kashmir. If 9/11 had not happened, these Pathan insurgents were starting to trickle into Kashmir giving a hard time to Indian security forces. India is lucky that 9/11 happened and the Pathan Jihadis were diverted to Afghanistan to fight Americans. The Pakistanis also will divert the Pathan Jihadis towards Kashmir because that will keep the Jihadis busy plus it will be in favour to their Kashmir policy.

Only Sikhs in the Indian armed forces can counter Jihadis, but since the 80s, Sikhs are no longer the dominating community in the Indian army. Our numbers have been greatly depleted. At one time Sikhs were 30% of the Indian armed forces, now they are only around 5%.

[Jonny101]

their around 10% don't know if the gurkha's are still strong in indian army cause nepal is changing policy's but long as india is getting

training from the americans and israel the indian soldiers will be ready

The same Americans who are currently losing in Afghanistan to the Pathans will teach Indians how to beat Pathans when these Jihadis from Afghanistan will start insurgency in Kashmir? If an aggressive army like the Americans with all their modern weaponry cannot beat Pathans armed with only an AK-47 how will Hindus beat such battle hardened Pathans? I think India would be better off to do the smart thing and separate Kashmir valley from Jammu and Ladhakh instead of eventually losing the whole state. Such a small land mass of Kashmir Valley which is only around 15% of the entire J&K state is not worth the sir-dardhee it is causing to the entire country.

[HSD2]

We shouldnt over egg the Taliban in Afghanistan. Their losses have been horrific compared to what the Soviets did to them. The reason they are 'winning' is because every firefight helps bankrupt the West. One Muji missile costs in the region of £10 for every rocket and a bit more for the launcher. The NATO equivalent costs £50,000 - £70,000 per rocket. The Javelin may be more accurate than the RPG but each time it's used they are basically flushing a policeman/nurse's salary down the toilet. Add the costs of operating half way round the world in a remote place and it becomes clear all the Talibs had to do was stick it out and bleed the treasuries of the West dry. Even if the Yanks ignored the Geneva convention (which they probably are in some cases) then it would still cost a lot for 'total warfare' and the Talibs would just leg it to fight another day.

[Jonny101]

Sandhu Jee, Pathans are not your average Muslims. They are a very brave people who have created and destroyed many empires in the region. Just because they have been our traditional enemies I can understand we have a certain bias against them but one must give them credit where they deserve it. Your argument that Americans care about human rights is the reason they are losing is not right. Look at the Russians/Soviets. They did not care about human rights. They killed 15 lakh Afghans, yet they could not break the will of the Pathans to fight against their oppressor. The WASP/Brits have tried all sorts of ways to tame the Afghans but only ended up leaving the country in humiliation. Look at the anglo afghan wars. Imran Khan said it right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX8D3XUL9iI

Right now even the Americans know that eventually the Taliban will take over so they are trying to broker a power sharing government to be on the good side of the Taliban. Once these Jihadi Pathans start trickling into Kashmir, they will give hell to the Indian army. They are more brutal than the Indian army. Pakistani army will not have to do anything in Kashmir, all they need to do is support and supply these Pathan Jihadis in Kashmir as they did during the 80s against the Russians.

[HSD2]

if yanks ignored geneva convention taliban would of bin butchered already

when taliban could be identified the americans crushed them within weeks in 2001

the taliban went from being the government in afghanistan in jan of 2001 to having no power in afghanistan end of 2001

they fled into pakistan then when america moved to iraq they flooded back but in civilian cloth and move around among civilians

they were only able to come back in pashtun areas cause most pashtuns share same ideology as the taliban if yanks ignored geneva convention the northern alliance would be armed to the teeth and be trained to run genocide camps on the pashtuns and work as american puppets and the americans would of massacred the pashtuns in the millions

the northern alliance would of bin running afghanistan if america could ignore human rights and not allowed nato to disarm northern alliance which consisted non pashtuns who hate pashtuns

the only reason noarthern alliance was disarmed was cause their human rights violation against pashtuns

taliban hasnt governed the other half of afghanistan with the non pashtuns live the taliban only have influence in pashtuns areas cause

the local pashtuns share the same idealogy as the taliban

The prisons are already run by former Northern Alliance and Western SpecOps, the afghan army is majorly from the northern regions too.

The only weapon the americans havent used is nuclear bomb. Every other part of the geneva convention has been ripped up and ignored. Even the western media reports some of these incidents. How do you defeat an enemy who practice 2 and 1/2 strikes?

[Singh, Mahan]

You fellows can speculate about what ever you like, but within the next 50 years the situation most likely to develop is as following:

Afghan Jehadis are going to infiltrate into Kashmir. Initially it would be opposed by Pakistan, but only to a small extent. Seeing the success of Afghans in Kashmir, Pakistan will also come to their help, and so will china tacitly. As the conflict heats up, Sikhs will be divided in what to do. Some of them rebel against India and others will stay loyal to India. In this conflict Sikhs will be the biggest losers as for as the loss of life is concerned, and their number will be greatly reduced as to have any political influence for ages to come. Area of present Indian Punjab, Himachal, most of Haryana, and North Western part of Rajasthan will come under Islamic rule with China as their ally on international forum. As for the Sikhs in rest of India, they are going to have untold difficulties for the reason that Sikhs of Punjab rebelled against India.

[JSinghnz]

singh, mahan no one has to worry about that case scenerio

as for taliban and america best way to put it is its mission fail for americans cause they failed to kill the idea the ideology

they had no problem killing taliban fighters and smashing them in 2001 within a few weeks and have won basicully every firefight

americans have basicully almost run an undefeated track record for every fight they have had

with the taliban

but like al quida their at a war with an ideology

that explains why taliban never made a comeback in non pashtun areas cause the people in non pashtun areas don't share the same ideology as the taliban

defeat is what happened to japan and germany after ww2

keep the media the united nations and every human rights group from breathing down america neck

all america would have to do is use ancient tactis for conquest that had bin used for thousands of years

Poison the water

Destroy the crops

Surround the borders so no one gets in or out

Wait for the white flag

The arabs used those tactics to conquer and convert pashtuns to islam and the pashtuns are still enslaved

to the arab religion of islam

for the sikhs who are scared of the pashtuns don't worry most sikhs don't fear pashtuns and will smash them if they try taking kashmir

along with the gorkhas will lay a smack down on them and bring in the marathas and tamils

india will use nukes before letting pakistan take kashmir and biggest reason being is kashmir supplies huge chunk of india's fresh drinking water and with out kashmir india economy and country woudl collapse

AMERICANS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN LOSERS. LOST IN VEITNAM, AND NOW LOST IN AGAIN IN AFGANISTAN.

[JSinghnz]

@bsandhu who told you that " biggest reason being is kashmir supplies huge chunk of india's fresh drinking water and with out kashmir india economy and country woudl collapse"

This is the best joke I have have heard so far this year.

Thanks for your great sense of humor. LOL.

[HSD2]

@bsandhu: The taliban were easily 'defeated' because they were fighting an enemy with overwhelming force who were on the attack. Once NATO was established in bases, the tables were turned as they had to go on the defensive to protect their bases and supply routes. They tried disrupting the Taliban but they fight asymetrically. I could easily ask you if NATO did so well beating the Taliban initially, why are they still there? Ignoring the propaganda victory of the British being involved which upset Afghans, the reason is that the Taliban were destroyed, they just legged it.

Secondly, I hear a lot of SIkhs say this thing about 30 days/60 days of total war to end the afghan resistance. Really? The american and westerners come up with rubbish like this all the time and it's surprising to see Sikhs regurgitate it without thinking.

The Americans say if they stayed in Vietnam longer they would have won. Well duh, they might have. But they couldnt. They couldnt beat the Vietcong, they were running out of money and their position was untenable. The Germans could say if they had millions more tanks, planes and troops they might have won WW2. True, but they didnt have them, so they dont go on about it like dumb Yanks would.

Lets run with this. So imagine if the Yanks did have a carte blanche total war for 6 months.

Now they start murdering, raping and molesting their way through villages (if they havent already). Now the afghan civilians are upset and side with the Taliban.

The increase in fighting makes NATO commanders demand troops. But they dont grow on trees. So you'll have to start conscription.

Hundreds of thousands are drafted all across America and torn from their families. As well as the social effect, you will have to pay their wages, pay for their training and pay for their equipment and to ship them out there. That'll cost a lot. Your national debt increases massively.

A lot of these new troops may be volunteers who answered the call to get revenge for 9/11 or see it as an excuse to re-enact what their ancestors did to Native Americans on a whole new bunch of brown folk.

Reports of these outrages reach the non-Western press.

Muslims are upset and start making their way to Afghanistan to help their fellow muslims. The number of enemy combatants drastically increases, forcing another wave of conscription in the US.

Muslims who dont go to Afghanistan start attacks on Western targets in response to outrages in Afghanistan. Some western backed goverments are toppled. In other places American bases are overrun.

Anti-american sentiment increases in non-muslim countries. Russia refuses to allow supplies through to Afghanistan without massive payments. Pakisan collapses and supplies cannot go though from the Indian Ocean. Millions of troops are trapped in Afghanistan.
America decides to 'intervene' in muslim countries that have rebelled against them. More conscription. More antagonism on ties with non-aligned powers. More justification for the muslim extremists. More debt. More dead. More disillusionment. Eventually some rich states decide to go their own way and rebel against the central american authority. Faced with civil war and a major international war what would you do?

The people in control of America arent that stupid. Well some are, but not all. If they wanted advice from right wing nutters or random Sikhs on SikhSangat, they would have phoned you by now.

@SIngh, Mahan: I think the Taliban wont go to Kashmir. They have an axe to grind with the Paks for their support of America. If Syria falls, it also means that a war with Russia in the Caucasus is on the cards.

[HSD2]

Oh gee thanks! Here was me all worried, but now I know big internet kharkoos are around that they'll take on muslims and win! Wahey! Not.

You say you dont know how the Taliban defeated the Americans. I dunno, maybe because America is bankrupt? I've already explained the massive differences in cost between the two forces. Wars cost money. You may not have got to that lesson yet in History but some of us have left school. Americans are far worse off now than they were in 2001. Even they want to leave and stop spending all this money.

Now you may be so immature to not understand that wars have a social/economic/political etc dimension as well as a military one. Ever heard of the 'home front'? Read up on it.

The Germans never were defeated militarily - they could have resisted till the end and then formed resistance groups. But they couldnt afford to. They didnt have the ability to as this is not how they fought wars. So what if the Taliban cant fight in planes and tanks? They dont have to. It costs ridiculous amounts for their enemies to come to them so they suck them in. Winning is winning no matter how you do it. When's the last time Sikhs won a war on their own o mighty one?

I can compare the Vietnam and Afghan wars. Both involve overwhelming American power that proves futile over time. So what if the Vietcong won a few victories? They still never forced the Americans out with force, they just made their position untenable like the Tallibs are doing. If you cant even see that then please for the love of god never join the army. You'd be a liability not just to yourself but to everyone around you too.

Win people over to what? The idea that you'll leave in a few years and that the Taliban will come back? Yeah that'll win them over.

Can you provide pictures of Taliban 2001 uniforms and post-invasion uniforms? Or are you just chatting rubbish you heard off other people again.

so hear is the question to answer how does america continue to kill
taliban fighters when they dress up like civilians and are protected by
civilians and live among the civilians with out killing inocent civilians and trying to win over the inocent civilians at the

same time

By killing people shooting at them and not killing people who are civilians. I've already explained to you what would happen if they tried the alternative. Are you so stupid to think that you know what the American Army should be doing and they dont? Give me a break.

As for the rest of the rant, lol. Kashmir? The mujis have bigger fish to fry. You might not see it in your slum but times change and other things are going on. Just because that is what happened before doesnt mean it will happen again. If you cant even see that no wonder we are in such a state.