Status Of Women In Different Religions - Say Thanks To God To Make To Sikh Women

[Gurpreet14 320]

This world and most of the religions discriminate between Males and Females - I am OP of this Thread I am a Female..... I question some religions of this world for the way they interpret women...........

Buddhism Says:

“Women can be the cause of great suffering.
If desire is destroyed, there will be everlasting happiness.
The dead snake and dog are detestable,
But women are even more detestable than they are.”

Christianity

We can easily find quotations of women’s oppression from the Bible , for example, I Timothy 2.11-12, where it says “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” In Ephesian 5.22-24, Paul says, “Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as unto the Lord….” And further, “The head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man”…. Man is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of the man.” The apostle Peter says (in I Peter 3.1-2,6) that let wives “be in subjection to your own husbands” and have “chaste conversation coupled with fear.”

Judaism

Even to this day many devout Jewish men recite in their prayers, “Blessed by God King of the universe that Thou has not made me a women.” Ecclesiasticus is simply rampant with religious edicts against women. According to Jewish tradition, a husband owns his wife as he owns a slave. To this day many husbands deny their wives any control over their property and their earnings. When she married, not only did the wife lose her property, she lost her personality also! Under Jewish law, a husband can divorce his wife any time. But a woman cannot without very strong reasons such as unfulfilled conjugal responsibilities. Worse still, a husband can desert his wife any time and then refuse to grant his wife a divorce. In this case she becomes an agunah – a chained woman. Neither can she divorce, nor can she remarry. In the US today there are maybe 1000-1500 such agunot while in Israel there are more than 15,000. Husbands blackmail their deserted wives for thousands of dollars, finally agreeing to a divorce.“ How is it that Jewish sisters everywhere tolerate this abuse, this persecution – this extreme injustice?

Islam

Ibn Al-Ghazzali, the famous Islamic theologian said that “The most satisfying and final word on the matter is that marriage is a form of slavery. The woman is man’s slave and her duty therefore is absolute obedience to the husband in all that he asks of her person.”

Dr. Nawal Sa’dawi is a Muslim woman who has rebelled against her own religion and its oppression of women. She has written that it is not possible to talk about rights of women, “…since a woman under the Islamic system of marriage has no human rights unless we consider that a slave has rights under a slavery system. Marriage, in so far as women are concerned, is just like slavery to the slave, or the chains of serfdom to the serf.” Marriage is a kind of slavery, for the wife becomes the slave of her husband, and it is her duty absolutely to obey him in everything he requires of her…”

Hinduism

Young Hindu girls when given in marriage could be abandoned at will. Quoting from Manu Smrti IX.72: “Though a man may have accepted a damsel in due form, he may abandon her if she be blemished, diseased or deflowered, and (if she have been) given with fraud.” Such girls, thrown out by their husbands, led a pitiable life as outcastes of society. Yet Brahmin men were free to engage in debauchery with devadasis any time they wanted! Subscribing to Hinduism means being a “mindless male supremacist pig”!

Sikhism

Views of the Gurus
Guru Nanak

Guru Nanak broke the shackles of women by admitting them into the sangat (congregation) without any restrictions or reservations. Guru Nanak felt that his message was meant as much for women as for men.

Guru Angad
Guru Angad encouraged the education of all Sikhs, men and women.

Guru Amar Das
Guru Amar Das condemned the cruel custom of sati, female infanticide and advocated widow remarriage. Guru Amar Das also believed that women wearing veils (purdah) was demeaning. The Guru refused to meet the queen of Haripur or to allow any women into the congregation wearing a veil.

Guru Hargobind
Guru Hargobind respected women and declared, "women is the conscience of man".

Guru Gobind Singh
Guru Gobind Singh made the Khalsa initiation ceremony open to men and women alike, a woman being just as worthy. At the time of Amrit a man is given the name Singh meaning lion, the woman is given the name Kaur, meaning Princess. A Sikh women is an individual in her own right, she does not have to take her husband's name and is Kaur till her death. Guru Gobind Singh did not see any distinction between the Khalsa, men or women could keep the 5 K's. Guru Gobind Singh issued orders forbidding the Khalsa having any association with those that practiced female infanticide. Guru Gobind Singh also forbade Sikhs to exercise any proprietary rights over women captured in battle, they could not be kept as slaves or wives but were to be treated with the utmost respect.

I AM A KAUR NOT A NORMAL FEMALE - I AM DAUGHTER OF THOSE GURU WHO ARE NOT BIASED - I ENJOY KEEPING MY HEAD IN THE LAP OF MY GURUS - I AM NOT HATED FOR WHAT I AM - I AM LUVED TO BE CALLED HIS DAUGHTER - Why should I bow my head in-front of those who think I am evil... :nono: :nono:

Yes i will help those in need whether they are muslims/hindus/chritains etc. coz my Gurus taught me to do so.... please keep me away from such people who says I am evil/slave... I am not slave/evil I am a beautiful creation of Almighty. :D :yay:

I AM BLESSED TO BE SIKH OF MY GURUS BY AKAL PURAKH :lol2: :lol2: :respect: :respect: WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, WAHEGURU G KI FATEH

[PakistaniPunjabi01 29]

First thing : Gazali is not any authority in Islam. Just a famous theologian, scholar, historian from 11th/12th century.


Second thing : Where did Ghazali say what you have written? :lol2:

Stop spreading propaganda..........................

[Singh559 2,689]

Why do Muslim men force women to wear Hijab in the west, but they themselves don't cover their heads? I deeply respect Muslim sisters who cover their head.

An opposite extreme is I see guys usually wearing dastar (more youth bibian are wearing dastar or wearing a chunni full time now though), I think the reason is because we don't force someone to do this so people usually choose to modernize and then if they want to, they do it on their own which means a lot more.

Bibi Shanti Kaur does a good job of explaining how some brahmanical practices are still being followed and need to be stopped:

[PakistaniPunjabi01 29]

Why do Muslim men force women to wear Hijab in the west, but they themselves don't cover their heads?

They don't.

Exceptions are in every case, but 99.9% of Muslim women who wear Hijab do it by their own free will...

How can Muslims in West "force" girls to do something? Duh. C'mon.

Its like saying "Why do you sikhs force your people to not cut any hair?" ...

[navsangeet 62]

They don't.

Exceptions are in every case, but 99.9% of Muslim women who wear Hijab do it by their own free will...

How can Muslims in West "force" girls to do something? Duh. C'mon.

Its like saying "Why do you sikhs force your people to not cut any hair?" ...

really?

how did u get to the 99.9% figure?

[Singh559 2,689]

They don't.

Exceptions are in every case, but 99.9% of Muslim women who wear Hijab do it by their own free will...

How can Muslims in West "force" girls to do something? Duh. C'mon.

Its like saying "Why do you sikhs force your people to not cut any hair?" ...

You can use emotional blackmail. Community shuns a person who takes off her hijab, I have personally seen this occur here in California where it's supposed to be pretty liberal, imagine a place like UK. I know woman do take pride in wearing a Hijab now, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's out of "free will". Yes, of course some do it out of "free will", but that also brings the subject as to why the double standard? Many girls do it merely because they don't want to face the negative stigma that relates to taking it off and would prefer to be a part of a community rather than be shunned.

Why don't men cover their hair in the west? Don't you find that to be hypocritical and unequal that only women are expected cover their hair here?

Can you provide me with empirical data that 99.9% of Muslim women who wear Hijab do it on their own free will. Would like to see the statistics behind these very impressive numbers. :giggle:

Oh yeah, some Neuro scientists like Sam Harris will go as far to say that free will doesn't really exist, so how would you justify that? Free will is a pretty strong statement, even if you don't believe there is no such thing as free will.

In short, it's a disservice to the definition of what free will really is...

[Singh559 2,689]

If anyone understands Punjabi, this is a great watch.

[JasSinghKhalsa 768]

They don't.

Exceptions are in every case, but 99.9% of Muslim women who wear Hijab do it by their own free will...

How can Muslims in West "force" girls to do something? Duh. C'mon.

Its like saying "Why do you sikhs force your people to not cut any hair?" ...

Dear Pakistani Punjabi Brother,

My knowledge on Islam/Muslims is very less, however what ever it is, is mostly coming from these sort of URLs / Videos, and one of the URL is below -

http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Wood/women.htm

The Facts on this URL might be totally wrong, hence please provide your views with specific quotes from various Islamic texts refuting the facts listed in this URL. Please provide factual quotes and not just statements.

[Jonny101 4,496]

Muslim women cover their heads and body seems like a good thing. Nothing wrong with observing modesty. But what I find strange is when the Muslim woman is observing her religion, her husband next to her is clean shaven and uncovered head(nanga sir). It just looks like a mismatch to me.

Hijaab is okay, but Burqa/Niqaab is something that is not right. The whole point of Burqa or Niqaab is that men should not look at the woman. But if you ever see a woman in the west wearing the Niqaab over her face, EVERYONE will stare at her. So in the west atleast, the wearing of the Niqaab defeats the purpose it is meant for. Just yesterday I saw a Muslim couple walking down the street, the woman wore a niqaab covering her face while her husband walking next to her was clean shaven and wearing western clothing. Nothing on him would indicate he was even a Muslim yet he makes his wife observe modesty. That is just not right. If the woman is practicing her religion so should the man.

[genie 1,729]

Guru ji says the veil / pardah is haram therefore it is not jiyaz for us. Also it makes women inferior in eyes of everyone and resigned to a position of a backseat observer in the world. This is why in afghanistan and saudi (2 muslim countries that introduced shariah islamic law) that muslim women suffered the most and have long campaigned for better human rights and freedoms but they are up against Islam because islam permits virtually everything the man wants of his woman and women only have a fleeting say in any matter. Contrast this with Sikh teachings and I think any unbiased sane person would agree Sikhism is a more just and more spiritual deen treating all humans in the same one light that they were created.

[Singh559 2,689]

Guru Amar Das Ji and the Gurus didn't go out and ban the veil, but they didn't allow a bibi to enter langar or darbar until she removed the veil.

[PakistaniPunjabi01 29]

really?

how did u get to the 99.9% figure?

Figurative speech.

But you got the point....

No one force Muslim girls to wear Hijab..again, exceptions are there in every case.

[PakistaniPunjabi01 29]

^ ISingh..if you are gonna post this *edited*..then you'll be added to my list and I won't reply to you anymore. Stop this copy-paste crap and have some shame.

Or should I start 'copy-pasting' Christian missionary stuff regard These are the words use by christian missionaries. All of your copy-pasting comes directly or indirectly from christian missionary polemics against Islam...so you will also accept christian missionary view of your faith, right?

Posting translations without context? Grow up...and stop replying to me. I don't have time of *edited*.

Btw, you quoted Qur'an 2:223 "Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like" ..Can you quote verses 2:220 to 2:225? have you read them? Guess what? you haven't..cuz you are an inferiority-complex stricken sikh who doesn't want any rational dialogue but just tries to put down Islam to feel better about your own faith...sad.

Mod Edit- If you edit your post and re-add the bad words and insults, you will be banned from this website, is that understood? Also, please provide the quote where a Christian missionary calls Sikhi filthy by word? Sikhs don't get defensive if someone mocks or criticizes our ideology, we will make logical retorts in a cool fashion. Who knows, if someone is sincere maybe we can learn something from the brother or sister.

Also, you only seem to reply to the people who copy paste questionable verses, but ignore level minded replies made by various people in many threads. That would leave many people to think you don't have replies to their observations.

Also, many Atheists and Muslim apostates have similar interpretations to the website above. Are they also Christian propagandists?

I've deleted the 'objectionable' interpretations, but you haven't really made a proper reply and instead began to name call.

From now on I will delete any copy pasters from propaganda/anti Islamic websites those that mods/admins deem to be unfair representations and interpretations.

[PakistaniPunjabi01 29]

Dear Pakistani Punjabi Brother,

My knowledge on Islam/Muslims is very less, however what ever it is, is mostly coming from these sort of URLs / Videos, and one of the URL is below -

http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Wood/women.htm

The Facts on this URL might be totally wrong, hence please provide your views with specific quotes from various Islamic texts refuting the facts listed in this URL. Please provide factual quotes and not just statements.

HAHAHAHAHA..David Wood? A Christian missionary? AnsweringIslam? The biggest anti-Islamic christian missionary site?

Well, if you consider this as "knowledge" than pity on you. Can't you tell that these guys will OBVIOUSLY be anti-Islamic because its their job?

We have our own version of this site.. it is called www.Answering-Christianity.com ...it is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy bigger than answeringIslam site... Here's something good..

http://www.answering-christianity.com/women.htm

Here's something even better..

Comparison of women rights in Islam and Christianity..side by side...

http://answeringchristian.wordpress.com/2011/02/22/womans-status-in-bible-and-quran/

This is just a start..I can post trillions of such other links..the point is..are you THAT naive that you'll "learn" about Islam from sites like these? In this case, you don't want to learn..you just want to have enough knowledge as to why not to believe on Islam...

If you really want to learn Islam..then learn it from actual sources (whether Muslim or non-Muslim etc)....

When I learned Christianity..I didn't do it own http://Answering-Christianity.com .... I read their scholars, theologians, saw debates, spent time talking to Christians and so on....If you really want to learn Islam..then I guess you have 'enough aqal' that you'd know what are the right places...and christian missionaries definitely aren't good sources to learn Islam...

[PakistaniPunjabi01 29]

Mod Edit- If you edit your post and re-add the bad words and insults, you will be banned from this website, is that understood? Also, please provide the quote where a Christian missionary calls Sikhi filthy by word? Sikhs don't get defensive if someone mocks or criticizes our ideology, we will make logical retorts in a cool fashion.

Also, you only seem to reply to the people who copy paste questionable verses, but ignore level minded replies made by various people in many threads. That would leave many people to think you don't have replies to their observations.

Also, many Atheists and Muslim apostates have similar interpretations to the website above. Are they also Christian propagandists?

I've deleted the 'objectionable' interpretations, but you haven't really made a proper reply and instead began to name call.

I reply to everyone..but if they go out of control..then I stop reply them..for example, I don't talk to proactive now..I guess isingh will be in the same category soon, if he doesn't stop posting these idi*tic posts by copy-pasting christian missionary sites..

You are willing to ban me, but not the trouble makers? hah!

Mod Edit- There is a feature called 'Report'. Please click it and report any objectionable posts with a cool, level minded reasoning as to why it's wrong and mods will delete it if appropriate just like I deleted the above post by isingh1699.

If any Sikh members make hateful remarks or insults, they will also be put into quality control or banned if they repeat their offenses.