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ਜੇ ਕੋ ਓਸ ਦੀ ਰੀਸ ਕਰੇ ਸੋ ਮੂੜ ਅਜਾਣੀ ॥ One who tries to compete with Him is a senseless fool

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ਮੂਰਖੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਸੁ ਉਨ ਕੀ ਰੀਸ ਕਰੇ ਤਿਸੁ ਹਲਤਿ ਪਲਤਿ ਮੁਹੁ ਕਾਰਾ ॥੨॥ Anyone who tries to compete with them is a fool; his face shall be blackened here and hereafter. ||2||

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One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:
Soohee, Fifth Mehl, Third House:
His service is insignificant, but his demands are very great.
He does not obtain the Mansion of the Lord's Presence, but he says that he has arrived there||1||
He competes with those who have been accepted by the Beloved Lord.
This is how stubborn the false fool is! ||1||Pause||
He wears religious robes, but he does not practice Truth.
He says that he has found the Mansion of the Lord's Presence, but he cannot even get near it. ||2||
He says that he is unattached, but he is intoxicated with Maya.
There is no love in his mind, and yet he says that he is imbued with the Lord. ||3||
Says Nanak, hear my prayer, God:
I am silly, stubborn and filled with sexual desire - please, liberate me! ||4||
I gaze upon the glorious greatness of the Blessed Vision of Your Darshan.
ਤੁਮ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਸੁਖਦਾਤੇ ਪੁਰਖ ਸੁਭਾਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੧॥੭॥ You are the Giver of Peace, the Loving Primal Being. ||1||Second Pause||1||7||

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The created being tried to compete with his Creator, but he assumed this name in vain.

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ਮਃ ॥ First Mehl:
We are good at talking, but our actions are bad.
Mentally, we are impure and black, but outwardly, we appear white.
They are attuned to the Love of their Husband Lord, and they experience the pleasure of His Love.
ਹੋਦੈ ਤਾਣਿ ਨਿਤਾਣੀਆ ਰਹਹਿ ਨਿਮਾਨਣੀਆਹ ॥ They remain powerless, even while they have power; they remain humble and meek.
ਨਾਨਕ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਕਾਰਥਾ ਜੇ ਤਿਨ ਕੈ ਸੰਗਿ ਮਿਲਾਹ ॥੨॥ O Nanak, our lives become profitable if we associate with them. ||2||
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I dont get it. His wearing a kalgi in his fb pic. Most sikh grooms wear a kalgi up until anand karaj. They sit in Guru Maharaajs hazoori wearing a kalgi. We say nothing to them then.

What 'Sikh' grooms are you talking about?

The same ones who keep a little bit of beard/hair to go along with Pagri/Dastaar for Anand Kaaraj and then a few hours later shave it all off and also go to the barber for a haircut so that then they can go to the reception to drink and do drugs among other things?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

If we want, we can make up many excuses for this guy.

We can say that his face is just over an artist-impression type painting.

We can say that why blame this guy when artists are painting Guru Gobind Singh Jee in an inaccurate way.

We can say that Guru Sahib wanted Khalsa to look exactly like Him.

The list of excuses can go on and on.

But one point we must never forget.

Gurbani and Gurmat are very clear on this issue.

If you are going to dress like Guru Gobind Singh Jee.....fine...go ahead...be our guest.....but on one condition......you better have the lifestyle, thoughts, actions, virtues, merit, character, etc to back it up.......otherwise it's all just pakhand, karam kaand, fakeness, deception, misguiding, among many other things.

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What 'Sikh' grooms are you talking about?

The same ones who keep a little bit of beard/hair to go along with Pagri/Dastaar for Anand Kaaraj and then a few hours later shave it all off and also go to the barber for a haircut so that then they can go to the reception to drink and do drugs among other things?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

If we want, we can make up many excuses for this guy.

We can say that his face is just over an artist-impression type painting.

We can say that why blame this guy when artists are painting Guru Gobind Singh Jee in an inaccurate way.

We can say that Guru Sahib wanted Khalsa to look exactly like Him.

The list of excuses can go on and on.

But one point we must never forget.

Gurbani and Gurmat are very clear on this issue.

If you are going to dress like Guru Gobind Singh Jee.....fine...go ahead...be our guest.....but on one condition......you better have the lifestyle, thoughts, actions, virtues, merit, character, etc to back it up.......otherwise it's all just pakhand, karam kaand, fakeness, deception, misguiding, among many other things.

Paji, thats exactly my point. Im not looking for excuses for this nut case. I was pointing out that he isn't alone in what he has done. Countless weddings take place at our Gurdwara where so called 'sikhs' as you justly described, don a trimmed dhari, a red dastar and Sarbans Dani Pitas Kalgi. All this in Hazoors Hazuri.

Your 100% right! There is no excuse for this blasphemy. How is this bandar and all those grooms any different to the Chuta Sauda saad? And why should we treat them any differently? We let one of these idiots off and we'll get others thinking all this is just a stroll through the park. We have gidhar walking around with their chests beefed up thinking they own the place. Its about time they were reminded who the true kings of the land are.

Pul chuk muaf ji

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