Quran (By Allah, Jibril, Or Muhammad)

[JSinghnz]

Finally! A good aswer that isn't hardcore anti-Islamic! Thanks.

Go and shout from the top of the roof that

you got a good hard core anti Islamic answer from a Sikh website.

[Balkaar]

balkaar it is the same as Yeshua , Yeshua never said pray to me he said I am not good noone except Except The Most high is good.his actions in life were similar to Guru ji , but things went south when the RC Church got hold of the scriptures discarding the female contributions, the mystical side , the doctrine of reincarnation, the proper full length commandments which go like this:

the original wording of these Commandments was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and they are pretty darn specific:

if they are able to fabricate the myth of the virgin birth etc and change the emphasis by omission and additions onto Yeshua from Yahweh/Ilah/Elohim adonai why should the tribes chiefs of Arabia any different? When Hazrat Mohammed went to Medina he only had 25 followers , he couldn't convinced his own people to listen to him because they loved their warring ways , killing kith and kin for power. I have my doubts about a man who says Maa ke pair meh jannat hai can in the same breathe do what he is accused of . If Hazrat Mohammed followed Akal Purakh at the start we know that his mission failed because people started praises his name more than Allah's that is faisla by Guru ji. Uthman created this exaltation of the violence and capture of war booty, and women. It would make sense to me that like the Roman Pagans they wanted to carry on their ungodly ways under the stamp of approval of a faith Mohammed left the Arabs them that excuse . Mohammed's name is not mentioned in wider Arabian literature until perhaps more than 150 years after his death.

Bhenji, there is no doubt that the Roman Catholic Church, one of the most retrograde and backward forces in human history, has done a great disservice to Christ. Moreover there is hard evidence to support this conclusion. To take but one example, the fallacy of Christ's virgin birth only materialized because of a mistranslation of the Hebrew word Alma, applied to Mary Mother of Christ, as virgin, when in actual fact it simply means young woman. I think the Nazarene would be horrified to behold today the religion which claims to exist in his name.

The life of Muhammad by comparison is conspicuous for being so engimatic. Bukhari, the compiler of one of the oldest of the Hadith, knew this when he collected over 300,000 tales and sayings attributed to the Prophet. He ruled that 200,000 of them were completely unverifiable, and that a further 90,000 had been subject to alterations. I think it very unlikely that he did this in random fashion, I suspect he was very discriminatory and thorough. In the end we were left with ten thousand, among which number the tales of Muhammad's marriage to a nine year old girl and the massacre of the Jews of Ban-u-Qurayza.

Muhammad's being able to say good things doesn't mean he couldn't possibly have perpetrated evil. Even Ahmad Shah Abdali wrote beautiful poems.

Even Muslims do not say Muhammed wrote it or Allah.

Nonsense. Type "Did Allah write the Quran?" into a Google search and the profusion of Muslim websites attesting "Yes! Yes! Yes!" will turn Pakandi Baba's quixotic statement on it's head.

[JSinghnz]

Baba Ji, maaf karo. Galti ho gayi.

Brother learn from your galtis and keep on learning more about the greatest religion in the world Sikhism.

Bhenji, there is no doubt that the Roman Catholic Church, one of the most retrograde and backward forces in human history, has done a great disservice to Christ. Moreover there is hard evidence to support this conclusion. To take but one example, the fallacy of Christ's virgin birth only materialized because of a mistranslation of the Hebrew word Alma, applied to Mary Mother of Christ, as virgin, when in actual fact it simply means young woman. I think the Nazarene would be horrified to behold today the religion which claims to exist in his name.

The life of Muhammad, by comparison, is conspicuous for being so engimatic. Bukhari, the compiler of the oldest Hadith, knew this when he collected over 300,000 tales and sayings attributed to the Prophet. He ruled that 200,000 of them were completely unverifiable, and that a further 90,000 had been subject to alterations. I don't think he did this randomly, he must have deployed very discriminatory criteria. In the end we were left with ten thousand, among which number the tales of Muhammad's marriage to a nine year old girl and the massacre of the Jews of Ban-u-Qurayza, among other things.

Muhammad's being able to say good things doesn't mean he couldn't possibly have perpetrated evil. Even Ahmad Shah Abdali wrote beautiful poems.

Share your nonsense at a Christian website.

[JSinghnz]

This is the state of our so called Sikhs today who will waste so much time and energy discussing matters irrelevant to Sikhi instead of focusing on improving their knowledge about Sikhi.

[JSinghnz]

Viewers from other religions will be laughing their heads off when they see such ridiculous irrelevant topics being discussed on the biggest website of Sikhs.

[jkvlondon]

Viewers from other religions will be laughing their heads off when they see such ridiculous irrelevant topics being discussed on the biggest website of Sikhs.

veer ji ,

I was just pointing out that the better course is to take it that the previous paths were diverted onto cul-de-sacs by mayadhari minds , and understand what Guru ji said which many messengers have been sent but in the end their own names were exalted instead of Akal Purakh's . We should understand their views on spiritual and human matters but that should not change our minds about Guru ji or Akal Purakh. Anyways back to some naam japp

[S4NGH]

You are free to believe this brother, and I don't think it entirely impossible that you may be right. However, the Muslims will never allow themselves to be convinced that the Koran is anything other than the literal and unaltered word of God.

Thanks brother. I can always expect a dignified response from you.

Very true, the mainstream muslims never deviate from their beliefs. Worthy of respect wouldnt you say? They have a resolute, 'ad-ol' belief in their religion. Its like Santji said, "musalmaana layee makkay to para ujaad he ujaad hai".

[SheikhYoBooty]

It seems to me that the blessed Quran is truly the word of God

TheReligionofPeace.com
Guide to Understanding Islam

What does the
Religion of Peace
Teach About...

The Sex Life of the Prophet

Question:

Was Islam's "perfect man" sexually restrained?

Summary Answer:

The Quran (which was narrated by Muhammad) refers to Muhammad's life as "as beautiful pattern of conduct for anyone whose hope is in Allah" (33:21) and "an exalted standard of character" (68:4).

Yet, thanks to Allah's extraordinary interest in his personal sex life (as immortalized in the Quran) the prophet of Islam had sex with just about anyone he pleased.

Although the Qur'an didn't appear to have enough space for topics like universal love and brotherhood (which Muslims sometimes insist are there, but aren't), the list of sexual partners that Muhammad was entitled to is detailed more than once, sometimes in categories and sometimes in reference to specific persons (ie. Zaynab and Mary).

Muhammad was married to thirteen women, including eleven at one time. He relegated them to either consecutive days or (according to some accounts) all in one night. He had sex with a 9-year-old girl and married his adopted son's wife (after arranging a quick divorce). On top of that, Muhammad had a multitude of slave girls and concubines with whom he had sex - sometimes on the very days in which they had watched their husbands and fathers die at the hands of his army.

So, by any realistic measure, the creator of the world's most sexually restrictive religion was also one of the most sexually indulgent characters in history.

The Qur'an:

Allah managed to hand down quite a few "revelations" that sanctioned Muhammad's personal pursuit of sex to the doubters around him. Interestingly they have become part of the the eternal, infallible word of the Qur'an, to be memorized by generations of Muslims for whom they have no possible relevance.

Qur'an (33:37) - "But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed."

No doubt millions of young Muslims, trying to outdo one another at memorizing the Qur'an, have wondered about what this verse means and why it is there. In fact, this is a "revelation" of convenience that Allah just happened to hand down at a time when Muhammad lusted after his daughter-in-law, Zaynab, - a state of affairs that disturbed local customs. The verse "commands" Muhammad to marry the woman (following her husband's gracious divorce). As for why this should be part of the eternal word of God...?

Qur'an (33:50) - "O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those slavegirls whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her - specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those slaves whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; "

This is another special command that Muhammad handed down to himself that allows virtually unlimited sex, divinely sanctioned by Allah. One assumes that this "revelation" was meant to assuage some sort of disgruntlement in the community over Muhammad's hedonism.

Qur'an (33:51) - "You may put off whom you please of them, and you may take to you whom you please, and whom you desire of those whom you had separated provisionally; no blame attaches to you; this is most proper, so that their eyes may be cool and they may not grieve, and that they should be pleased" This is in reference to a situation in which Muhammad's wives were grumbling about his preference for sleeping with a slave girl (Mary the Copt) instead of them. Accordingly, Muhammad may sleep with whichever wife (or slave) he wishes without having to hear the others complain... as revealed in Allah's literal and perfect words to more than a billion Muslims.

Qur'an (66:1-5) - "O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which Allah has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives?... Allah has already ordained for you, the dissolution of your oaths " Another remarkably personal passage of sexual convenience in a book billed as Allah's perfect and eternal message to mankind. Muhammad was caught sleeping with a slave woman on the night that he was supposed to be with one of his wives. Initially promising to be faithful, "Allah" tells his prophet to break that promise and enjoy sex with his slaves. If his wives objected then "it may be if he divorced you (all) that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbD2BZZsMbY

Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) except those slavegirls whom your right hands possess." Allah even permitted Muhammad and his men to have sex with married slaves, such as those captured in battle.

[S4NGH]

Go and shout from the top of the roof that

you got a good hard core anti Islamic answer from a Sikh website.

Lol what is your problem kiddo? Hukum 31. Guru Sahib told us to study the books of other religions and gain knowledge of those faiths. "Doosrae mataa dae pustak, vidyaa parhnee. Pur bhrosaa drirh Gurbanee, Akaal Purakh tae karnaa."

Yes its a Sikh forum. Forum.

[SheikhYoBooty]

Truly what a noble character Prophet Muhammad was (lol)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c79AXU8bOSQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB5WbyqkdMU

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