Reincarnation And The Population Problem

[MisterrSingh]

Put it this way, Muslims consider the word of their prophet as the absolute truth. As Sikhs when Gurbani talks about joons, etc, that's good enough for me. Let's take a leaf out of the Islamic book (figuratively speaking) and consider the word of our Guru as the ultimate truth if we truly do consider ourselves as his Sikhs. I'm not negating the need for a curious mind, but we don't half shoot ourselves in the foot at times.

Logic dictates a horse can't fly, but Muslims believe until their dying breath that Muhammed ascended to heaven on such a creature. No ifs, no buts. So, where does that leave their maths and logic? They can't cherry pick and point out inconsistencies or seemingly illogical fallacies in other faiths (according to them) and then pretend as if their faith is built on reason and sanity, lol.

[harsharan000]

Sri Waheguru ji ka Khalsa

Sri Waheguru ji ki fateh

I recently came across a website promoting Stephen Blake's book in which he has refuted reincarnation by using mathematics and logic.

You see, in this way of thinking, people even deny god . He is using his brain, his mind, to analyze, that which is beyond mind´s capacity.

Another problem highlighted by him is that if the souls are reincarnating, how come there is an increase in population (where are the new souls coming from)

Suppose we are in summer, and we see a lot of people in the beach, then what will this guy say?

Oh, where have all these people come from? Or when night comes,people go to their houses, they have not disappeared, they have just gone out of our limited sight/vision.

Stupid fellow.

They were at home, and according to the summer season, have come to the beach to cool down. But that does not mean, if in winter we hardly see any people on the beach, and in summer it becomes full, that the population has increased. They were somewhere already, it is just that at a concrete time, they appear before the eyes.

Then, who are we interfere with Nature?

We do not even know what will happen with us in the next moment, and we are just calculating things which are much higher and deeper, beyond our comprehension. True manmukhs, true moorakhs ...

Since Gurbani supports reincarnation, Muslim websites are using this book against Sikhi. Does any one has mathematical and logical rebuttals against this book?

Let them do what they want. We can never ever change anyone. It is only by His glance of mercy, that one comprehends Gurbani in the true sense, how our Guru Sahibans wanted.

The only mathematical and logical rebuttals, if ever can be given by me and most of our sikh brothers/sisters, is a big capital 0 (zero).

That is it.

We all know Maya is false, howsoever shinning it may look and noises may make ....

So is the same with this book and its author and alike ...

Sat Sree Akal.

[Malkeetv]

I'm pasting the links regarding reincarnation from a Da'wa to Sikhs website unfortunately, i don't remember the website that mentioned Syephan Blake, I'll try to Google it later

www.islam-sikhism.info/soter/reincar01.htm

www.islam-sikhism.info/soter/debunk01.htm

[singhbj singh]

Gurbani states there are 8.4 million incarnations.

Scientists are still discovering new species so how can they be sure of their number ?

[ms514]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

An old joke goes kinda like this:

One day, scientists triumphed that they had created a human from dirt. They hailed their achievement and mocked their status equal to God. God appeared at all of the ruckus.

God: What's all the ruckus?

Scientists: We have made a human from dirt. We are your equals! We don't need you.

God: Great! Now make dirt...

Scientists: ...

I mean really? So God is so powerless that It cannot make more souls? This is the same Almighty that created the Universe with ONE word. The same Almighty that (per science's own theories) may be sustaining multiple UNIVERSES in multiple DIMENSIONS.

Humans are so dumb...

[singhbj singh]

Who would be sure of what number?

This will give a true perspective

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-we-any-closer-to-knowing-how-many-species-there-are-on-earth/

[harsharan000]

Whenever we see a dish of food on the table, we know someone has definetely made it.

In the same way, if we see any form of life, we should also understand, it is because, it is going through destiny karma, of previous lives.

Otherwise, if, the soul was with God, it would not come back again.

We do bhakti, and love Wahiguru, in order to become free once and forever of the mayavee creation, by merging ourselves with Him.

Because, doing the bhakti of others (gods, devis, devtas, prophets) apart from Wahiguru, can at most lead us to heaven, Swarg, Baikunth, Shivpuri or even Brahamlok, but within certain time, when our shubh karmas are finished, we shall once again fall from those regions or planes into the wheel of eighty four.

So Wahiguru does not create any new souls and pushes them into Maya, otherwise why would He through Gurmat, tell us via Guru Sahibans, to do the Bhajan Bandagee, to achieve real freedom, and as said above, by becoming one with Him.

it is clear, He wants us to go back to Him, not that, to some He calls back, and then creates more souls for replacement and sends them into creation.

Human ignorance has no limits ....

Sat Sree Akal.

[Kira]

Gurbani states there are 8.4 million incarnations.

Scientists are still discovering new species so how can they be sure of their number ?

That may actually be an analogy. Gurbani states that Creation is limitless and many times countless is used instead, it could very well be a way to help the people of that time . The Species mentioned could have many,many sub-sections. scientists now categorize species differently than in ancient times. SO it would be futile to compare them both together. It would be like how some fields classify certain molecules into one section. but others subdivide them further. One is not more right than the other. The approach is just different. Countless times in bani it's mentioned about Creation being limitless.

As for the logic and maths to counter that claims this Professor has made. It's pretty self explanatory. There are far too many variables for any sane Mathematician or even logistically solving it.

The concept of when ensoulment occurs, what has a soul and what doesn't. Not to mention you'd need to look at creation as a whole. so unless the esteemed Proffessor can actually calculate the size, the quantity and the actual scale of the universe and all those who inhabit it. His conclusions are practically void for Sikhs. No idea about other faiths.