All Talk But No Show

[MisterrSingh 4,820]

I sometimes think this too, but then I think maybe it's because my level of intelligence is not high as others that its my perception towards somebody else's way of writing that I don't understand when one has hidden haumai or it's just the way they write. I tend to read and understand the things that are not covered up with fancy words to side track to confuse without Gurbani, that are not 10million pages long.

Jugraj Singh is doing a good seva which is much needed with the youth and those that wish to learn about Sikhi.

I haven't got a negative or even mildly unfavourable thing to say about Jugraj Singh. I think he's arguably the only person in modern day Sikhi (in terms of the youngsters) who's trying to make a positive change through parchaar WITHOUT the strange hangers-on and ego massagers that usually surround such people when they get a bit prolific. He's a legend IMO.

My point, if I had one, lol, was a general observation from back when I was a kid about people who said a lot of things and behaved a heck of a lot differently behind closed doors compared to when they were around people. I should've made that clear.

[harsharan000 3,828]

I have full faith in mahapursha and guru jis gurmukhs... but which uchi avsta wala GURMUKH would be in this fourm or anyone that has a regular high ive noticed everyone in the fourm talk about spirtual exceperiences and supernatrual happenings alot as if theyve mastered it all but its like wth is a GURMUKH or a Uchi avasta wala gursikh doing on this fourm perving on peoples promblems ??????????

Tell me sis, you can do it belive in your self remove your brothers doubt haha...

Keep it real jee,

your points are genuine and valid, you have full right to believe so.

Only that much I will tell you, when you say you have full faith in Mahapurushas and Guru Jee´s Gurmukhs and you question of them being here on the forums.....

You see, we are judging them from our limited spiritual vision.

Though they may look humans like us, even then they are above any barriers, and thus through someone they may convey an answer to you, or satisfy our queries in some way which we never ever have thought about, so you see, let us not question their capacity, they are one with Wahiguru.

Being a Gurmukh, is not a diploma in some field, rather is an avastha, a level of consciousness which is omnipresent and omniscience.

May Wahiguru bless you.

Sat Sree Aakal.

[jio 72]

Maaan I think I have to say I agree with Keep it real Ji. I agree, if I was in a high avasta I know I wouldn't bother with being on this fourm or anything else for that matter. Not going to lie I go on this to look at peoples problems too or to see what's happening. It's make sense like why would a mahapursh or a Gurmukh bother being on this because even a Gurmukh is a powerful name to give someone. And yes I have to agree again I sometimes talk about avastas when I haven't had any of it.

I'm guilty of all those things OP has mentioned

[Singhni MiriPiri 318]

My point, if I had one, lol, was a general observation from back when I was a kid about people who said a lot of things and behaved a heck of a lot differently behind closed doors compared to when they were around people. I should've made that clear.

I've seen this and that's what I don't understand. Why do some people desperately want to be some sort of 'saintly' figure to others? To me that's a very lonely life. In terms of sikhi, I'd be more worried about what vaheguru thinks of me ;A;

[Guest Keep it real]

Ive read everyones posts and respect that you guys have taken time out to reply deeply. Im not quite sure how to reply directly..

@ Mister Singh i agree with your first post

@ everyone I agree i shouldnt have put bhai jugraj singh on blast but to prove the point i was trying to make i had to being that he is well known.

@harsharan000 i do bro full faith in true saitly beings and gurmukhs but i dont think that beings like that would even bother with things like this theyd have deeper things to do. And i understand what your trying to say ji but i dont understand how someone can talk about naam ras amirt ras ridhi sidhis when one hasnt experecinced it like they do on these kinda fourms. People talk like they know whats up when they havent even had a glimpse of what any spirtual happening is like?

What im trying to say it if a person havsnt experiemced it dont talk about it why cause its like talking outta your arse its all assumptions and in most cases lies. But neally everyone does it, well everyone ive met which is alooot.

@Jio mad respect at least you can honestly reflect upon yourself bruv and admit it. Im guilty of it too. Good to see you're keepin it real

@singhini miri piri looks like you're getting the point

[MisterrSingh 4,820]

I've seen this and that's what I don't understand. Why do some people desperately want to be some sort of 'saintly' figure to others? To me that's a very lonely life. In terms of sikhi, I'd be more worried about what vaheguru thinks of me ;A;

I think a lot of issues come into play when a person aspires to that type of image without possessing the genuine substance behind it. Too many to mention, lol, but it's a mild form of mental illness IMO, or maybe it's plain old deviousness, or perhaps that individual set out with noble intentions but was corrupted along the way either by others or their own ambitions and motivations.

None of this would be possible if most of the followers who profess to be religious or spiritual weren't so gullible to allow such individuals to take a foothold in people's perceptions. There's a heck of a lot of enabling that goes on that allows such frauds to rise to prominence; these "saints and leaders" need a captive audience to survive, and when they receive that audience they realise they're "in." From there on in, it's just a matter of chipping away and working hard to elevate their name and standing to further increase their reach and impact on others. Sounds exhausting, lol.

But, as you correctly said, a sane minded person would only care what God thinks of us. That's why I think such people aren't sane; in fact they're the opposite of sane. It's just, somehow, under the protection of religion, they are given legitimacy.

[Singhni MiriPiri 318]

On 26/09/2015 at 8:45 AM, MisterrSingh said:

I think a lot of issues come into play when a person aspires to that type of image without possessing the genuine substance behind it. Too many to mention, lol, but it's a mild form of mental illness IMO, or maybe it's plain old deviousness, or perhaps that individual set out with noble intentions but was corrupted along the way either by others or their own ambitions and motivations.

None of this would be possible if most of the followers who profess to be religious or spiritual weren't so gullible to allow such individuals to take a foothold in people's perceptions. There's a heck of a lot of enabling that goes on that allows such frauds to rise to prominence; these "saints and leaders" need a captive audience to survive, and when they receive that audience they realise they're "in." From there on in, it's just a matter of chipping away and working hard to elevate their name and standing to further increase their reach and impact on others. Sounds exhausting, lol.

But, as you correctly said, a sane minded person would only care what God thinks of us. That's why I think such people aren't sane; in fact they're the opposite of sane. It's just, somehow, under the protection of religion, they are given legitimacy.

Thank you for explaining that. O_O

[MisterrSingh 4,820]

Thank you for explaining that. O_O

Haha, I wouldn't take my assessment of it as gospel. It's just something I keep my eye on for various reasons. It's fascinating to observe as those situations unfold before our eyes. Once you begin to understand human psychology and habits it all begins to make sense.

[simran345 2,503]

Bit off topic, @Singhnimiripiri penji how do you put those pics in the signature? Coz I'm trying and only the copy paste comes up.

[simran345 2,503]

I haven't got a negative or even mildly unfavourable thing to say about Jugraj Singh. I think he's arguably the only person in modern day Sikhi (in terms of the youngsters) who's trying to make a positive change through parchaar WITHOUT the strange hangers-on and ego massagers that usually surround such people when they get a bit prolific. He's a legend IMO.

My point, if I had one, lol, was a general observation from back when I was a kid about people who said a lot of things and behaved a heck of a lot differently behind closed doors compared to when they were around people. I should've made that clear.

Yes I like to put on his videos as they are in English and easy to understand, even for the layman. I like the way they are made with visuals.

To the bit about people behaving differently behind closed doors, I guess each soul has their weaknesses, I'd think the majority of people do that.

[MisterrSingh 4,820]

To the bit about people behaving differently behind closed doors, I guess each soul has their weaknesses, I'd think the majority of people do that.

I think you misunderstood me. We all behave differently to certain degrees when we're outside in the world compared to the privacy of our homes. That's just things to do with comfort levels and familiarity, etc.

My argument was in a religious context, I.E. a so-called spiritual figure preaching about honesty and integrity when in public, but when away from the gaze of the sangat he's performing dodgy business deals or hurting people in various ways. That isn't a soul being weak; that's being mindfully and willfully deceptive. That's what I was referring to.

[Singhni MiriPiri 318]

Bit off topic, @Singhnimiripiri penji how do you put those pics in the signature? Coz I'm trying and only the copy paste comes up.

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I would assume you used photobucket instead.

[Singhni MiriPiri 318]

I would assume you used photobucket instead.

I copy and paste the image url in image tags :D

[simran345 2,503]

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Thanku ji, now I can bling my profile lol...

Sorry for diverting the topic.