What if bentiyan don't work

[Guest ordinarySingh]

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh. 

I've come across many videos on youtube, that its not a good thing to take stress. And well it does make sense even outside as well as inside Gurmat preaching, to not stress about anything. Stress comes and goes in life, and what's more important is to live in the present and jap naam, to purify yourself from the inside and live a life full of pure actions. 

And if someone has ever seen videos of the channel Nanak Naam (on youtube), they do great parchaar of Gurmat, and I've even had them say (preach according to Gurmat) that there is no good and there is no bad. Also, dukh (sorrow) and happiness are just things made by mind. Good and bad is just labels that our mind puts on things/events in life. But in reality (according to Gurbani), seeing things as good and bad (happening to you) is what keeps us feeling separated from God, and basically it is all just hukam. If we look at life events as good or bad (in dukh or happiness), we are basically saying "Why is this happening to me?" and speaking against the hukam (will) of the Oneness. 

And all that makes perfect sense (agree to it) when I listen to their parchaar and it is something quite extraordinary (though hard to wrap your mind around at first go). But my question is, What does one do when he has physical discomfort (or a disease not big enough to kill him, but keep him in stress always, hindering his very ability to focus on his day to day life chores). And even doctors and medicines can't do anything about it, and he prays, but his prayers (bentiyan) are not strong (or effective) enough. What do we do when all our tries go in vain?

And it's not like I don't trust what our Gurus said. Of course I do. But if honest bentiyan(requests in the form of prayers or the like) are just not working, what do we do then?

Do we just keep on trying/do the same? Or do we accept it as hukam and that the disease is never gonna leave my body? How do we know when our prayers would get fulfilled? 

Please help, I'm kind of in the dark here. And I'm sorry if I said anything wrong. WJKK WJKF 

[GurjantGnostic 525]

43 minutes ago, Guest ordinarySingh said:

What does one do when he has physical discomfort (or a disease not big enough to kill him, but keep him in stress always, hindering his very ability to focus on his day to day life chores). And even doctors and medicines can't do anything about it, and he prays, but his prayers (bentiyan) are not strong (or effective) enough

Naam, Gurbani, water, nutrition, healthy activities like walking, and bhang. 

A lot of stress and pain can be released through Naam. Letting go of the thoughts, and desires. A natural reaction to pain and discomfort is to say no or dislike the pain, but if you actively accept and send love, as a verb, over and over to the pain it will change. Pain is information so accept the communication and respond to it with love.

Confront and release the fear of death. Embrace Vaheguru's hukam, and look forward to rather than fear death. 

Don't be afraid to add the healthy habits, and if you have to medicate as well as meditate , use bhang. 

Edited February 17, 2018 by GurjantGnostic

[harsharan000 3,750]

Brother Ordinary Singh Jee,

pain and comfort are all due to our own karam. Nothing can happen without karam.

Pain will only go, when the karam has been paid duly.

It is important to not leave His door at those times, for it is not His fault for our misery, rather totally ours. Then we have so many accounts to settle with doctors,  chemists, etc.

The thing is, to lay at His door as kookars, and never ever leave  under any circumstances, in that attitude lies our welfare.

At the same time, engage sincerely in His devotion/bhakti  as much as possible, for it is only through it, that we  subdue our mind, and find strength to stay in His Hukum/ in the form of our destiny, and  get thoroughly pure enough to merge in Him one day by His apaar  kirpa.

Stay blessed.

Sat Sree Akal.

 

Edited February 17, 2018 by harsharan000

[jkvlondon 4,935]

2 hours ago, Guest ordinarySingh said:

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh. 

I've come across many videos on youtube, that its not a good thing to take stress. And well it does make sense even outside as well as inside Gurmat preaching, to not stress about anything. Stress comes and goes in life, and what's more important is to live in the present and jap naam, to purify yourself from the inside and live a life full of pure actions. 

And if someone has ever seen videos of the channel Nanak Naam (on youtube), they do great parchaar of Gurmat, and I've even had them say (preach according to Gurmat) that there is no good and there is no bad. Also, dukh (sorrow) and happiness are just things made by mind. Good and bad is just labels that our mind puts on things/events in life. But in reality (according to Gurbani), seeing things as good and bad (happening to you) is what keeps us feeling separated from God, and basically it is all just hukam. If we look at life events as good or bad (in dukh or happiness), we are basically saying "Why is this happening to me?" and speaking against the hukam (will) of the Oneness. 

And all that makes perfect sense (agree to it) when I listen to their parchaar and it is something quite extraordinary (though hard to wrap your mind around at first go). But my question is, What does one do when he has physical discomfort (or a disease not big enough to kill him, but keep him in stress always, hindering his very ability to focus on his day to day life chores). And even doctors and medicines can't do anything about it, and he prays, but his prayers (bentiyan) are not strong (or effective) enough. What do we do when all our tries go in vain?

And it's not like I don't trust what our Gurus said. Of course I do. But if honest bentiyan(requests in the form of prayers or the like) are just not working, what do we do then?

Do we just keep on trying/do the same? Or do we accept it as hukam and that the disease is never gonna leave my body? How do we know when our prayers would get fulfilled? 

Please help, I'm kind of in the dark here. And I'm sorry if I said anything wrong. WJKK WJKF 

all pain is medicine

perhaps the pain is keeping you remembering Waheguru ji, what if you took the hint properly and did simran without any desire: niskam , really got into deep deep vicharna ...now is your time to build up your relationship with Guru ji

 

[simran345 2,500]

2 hours ago, Guest ordinarySingh said:

What does one do when he has physical discomfort (or a disease not big enough to kill him, but keep him in stress always, hindering his very ability to focus on his day to day life chores). And even doctors and medicines can't do anything about it, and he prays, but his prayers (bentiyan) are not strong (or effective) enough. What do we do when all our tries go in vain?

I have a health condition and what I do when I’m going through a bad phase is to ask God to help me to cope with what I go through, as I already know the health condition isn’t  going to go away, but seek help to self manage it. 

Accept Hukam, that you can’t do what you can’t, but be proud of what you can, no matter how small it maybe. When you feel there is no change, you feel there isn’t anything that can help, but then you have to also not let go of hope.  That’s what keeps one going, and that is also graced by God. But whatever you do, don’t let go of God, because they are the one that will give you the strength and confidence. 

Talk to others in the same situation, as it will help you to realise that you are not alone. It’s good to listen to others problems, and understanding of them will be better as you also have a health condition, so there maybe something you could input by helping them. This will reduce stress for you, as your mind will be occupied elsewhere and distract from the negative effects of the health condition. If you’re not up to doing that, then just carry on praising Waheguru, without asking for anything in return, and leave it to them. 

 

 

Edited February 17, 2018 by simran345
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[simran345 2,500]

2 hours ago, Guest ordinarySingh said:

Do we just keep on trying/do the same? Or do we accept it as hukam and that the disease is never gonna leave my body? How do we know when our prayers would get fulfilled? 

It depends on the health condition you have. Do both, keep praising God and also accept Hukam. It is hard to accept, but there isn’t much else one can do, but also get professional help from the doctors/specialists of your health condition. They will guide you better and offer treatment or self management techniques. 

Have you had any counselling in regards to your health condition? If not, ask for it. 

[singhbj singh 1,266]

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

ਦੂਖ ਰੋਗ ਸੰਤਾਪ ਉਤਰੇ ਸੁਣੀ ਸਚੀ ਬਾਣੀ ॥

Pain, illness and suffering departs, listening to the True Bani.

Will recommend that you listen to Sehaj Paath on daily basis.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

 

[singhbj singh 1,266]

Basic approach to health and wellness is to assist in achieving balance in body, mind, and spirit.

This is the Triad of Health: Structual, Chemical, and Emotional/Mental.

Structural Balance refers to the head, neck, and spinal column. Our central nervous system is protected by the head, neck, and spinal column. Any imbalance in this area can distort or ruin the communication between the brain and the body. This begins with a constant pressure on the nerve pathways due to structural misalignment. Then problems begin and organs can fail or become diseased. If the organ is not functioning right, then a muscle group may weaken and stop functioning.

Chemical Balance is about the nutritional interactions in the body. An imbalance in this area inhibits healing and may create chronic (reoccurring) health problems. If messages from the brain do not reach the muscles or organs due to a chemical imbalance in the body, they will become weak and lead to further structural imbalance. This is a terribly vicious cycle.

Emotional/Mental Balance. We are emotional beings and emotions affect our health. This is an extremely complex area. By correcting the structural and chemical balances, the emotional balance is affected in a positive way. Healing results occur from improving and correcting the brain-body communication through structural and chemical balancing.

[singhbj singh 1,266]

[simran345 2,500]

Hi @singhbj singh paji, how you doing? Wondered where u had gone. Are you ok? 

[singhbj singh 1,266]

1 hour ago, simran345 said:

Hi @singhbj singh paji, how you doing? Wondered where u had gone. Are you ok? 

Waheguru ji di kirpa naal All's Well 

I tend to go jithe lorh hoveh or qadar hoveh.

Have become active on Sikh Philosophy Network, Sikhnet Discussion & What's App 😊

[simran345 2,500]

27 minutes ago, singhbj singh said:

Waheguru ji di kirpa naal All's Well 

I tend to go jithe lorh hoveh or qadar hoveh.

Have become active on Sikh Philosophy Network, Sikhnet Discussion & What's App 😊

Thank you for the reply. As long as you’re happy, that’s what counts. 

[Guest DesiJatt]

 You must have made a mistake. Go pesh.

[Not2Cool2Argue 474]

On 17/02/2018 at 4:12 PM, Guest ordinarySingh said:

Do we just keep on trying/do the same? Or do we accept it as hukam and that the disease is never gonna leave my body? How do we know when our prayers would get fulfilled? 

Of course we keep trying. And of course we accept hukam. How to do both? 

There is a story of a christan girl, Amy Carmicheal, who grows up to become a missionary or nun i forget, goes to india and saves devdasis from dancing at temples and raises them in orphanages. 

When she was young, she was told God answers all prayers. So she prayed at night. God please give me blue eyes. She had brown eyes. When she woke up. Her eyes were still brown. 

She was disappointed and thought God didnt answer my prayer. Then she smiled. She said. He did answer. He  said no.

So keep praying. Praying is like begging. A beggar cant get mad if someone doesnt give him something. No one owes the beggar anything. He can only keep begging.

So tell urself, i am asking the lord for something. I have no right to expect it. God has every right to say no. Accept that. Keep asking, dont get sad or mad at the rejection. Everything God does is right. If he hasnt healed u today. It was Gods will therefore benefits all. Tere Bhane Sarbat Da Balla. In your will, All is well. Ask again tomorrow.if answer is no. Accept it. Then ask again the next day.eventually God will have mercy. Persistant beggars usually win.