Need vichar on this quote of Chanakya!

[shastarSingh 316]

Indians consider Chanakya to be a great administrator and one of the wisest man to have ever born. They treat him as their Wisdom Guru.

In his book, Chanakya Niti, (Chapter 07, couplet no.12), Chanakya says

"Do not be very upright in your dealings for you would see by going to the forest that straight trees are cut down while crooked ones are left standing."

[Singh1989 161]

Metaphor may mean do not have ego but have nimarta. How does a person with nimarta walk? Bowed down, like a crooked tree. And person with ego? Straight (full of arrogance).

Chanakya was advisor to Chandergupt Maurya and his son or great grandson who too was a wise king.

[jkvlondon 5,001]

it could also mean being open and strightforward is a mistake being secretive and tricksy is better in negotiations remember he is the guys who posited sham dam bhed . Brahmin are like hobbiteses .....tricksy

[GurjantGnostic 525]

I can say from my own experience, when you are too rigid in your pride, it causes much conflict. 

A little humility and flexibility goes a long way. Doesn't mean we have to be crooks or liars. 

[shastarSingh 316]

15 hours ago, Singh1989 said:

Metaphor may mean do not have ego but have nimarta. How does a person with nimarta walk? Bowed down, like a crooked tree. And person with ego? Straight (full of arrogance).

Chanakya was advisor to Chandergupt Maurya and his son or great grandson who too was a wise king.

I dont think this means what u wrote.

[Guest GuestSingh]

20 hours ago, Singh1989 said:

Metaphor may mean do not have ego but have nimarta. How does a person with nimarta walk? Bowed down, like a crooked tree. And person with ego? Straight (full of arrogance).

Agree with this - we can stand and walk tall for show as something perfect but if we're arrogant to not bow down and listen to our surroundings, we become brittle and weak then eventually lose, as opposed to the crooked who adapt and find a balance which is really important in Sikhi.

[TejS 1,067]

It means what it means people. You have to understand that the use of the word "crooked" does not indicate humility, it means using crooked or immoral means to achieve what a ruler desires, and he does go on to say that a ruler must desire justness only and maintain justness at any cost. If Chanakya had indicated humility, he would have instead used a word like "bowed".
 

And let's not be surprised that he suggests this because he wasn't an enlightened man on any level, he was just cunning.

[jkvlondon 5,001]

1 hour ago, TejS said:

It means what it means people. You have to understand that the use of the word "crooked" does not indicate humility, it means using crooked or immoral means to achieve what a ruler desires, and he does go on to say that a ruler must desire justness only and maintain justness at any cost. If Chanakya had indicated humility, he would have instead used a word like "bowed".

I thought that , because I remember Sant ji pointed out the reason  to read chanakiya raajniti to understand the mentality of brahminvad

[shastarSingh 316]

10 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

I thought that , because I remember Sant ji pointed out the reason  to read chanakiya raajniti to understand the mentality of brahminvad

Chanakya also used  very wrong words against women.

 

[jkvlondon 5,001]

4 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

Chanakya also used  very wrong words against women.

 

like this :

A house having a venomous snake is not suitable for living. In the same manner, a house having an ill-tempered wife with low morals, deceitful friends, or with an impolite talkative servant is also not suitable for living.

A good wife is pious, expert at household chores, faithful and never speaks a lie to her husband.

However if she is judged to have a temper:

A man must leave a religion without love and compassion, must leave a teacher without knowledge. Also its better to leave a short tempered wife and relatives with no love and respect for you.

makes me laugh because by that standard everyone should leave Brahminism

women come in only two forms wife or prostitute for him and the wife is almost nothing :

You can earn money after losing it, you can make new friends, and also you can get another wife, but this is not the case with the body. [take good care of your health]

That explains the attitude we have heard of in past times of hindus to their womenfolk being kidnapped.

He blames Sita's beauty for her kidnapping not Rama's trickery or Ravan's ego

The three views of three beings for a very beautiful woman. She will be equivalent to a corpse for some Yogi, a lustful man will consider her as an object of desire, and for a dog she will be nothing more than a big lump of meat. [… contains very deep meaning. Discretion advised]

for a holy man he seems very knowledgeable about prostitutes:

It is the characteristic of a <banned word filter activated> that she talks with one man, stares at another with a third person in her mind. If is not the mistake of that <banned word filter activated>, but is of the man who thinks that she will love him.

A foolish man easily falls in love with a <banned word filter activated> and then becomes her toy. She will use him, betray him, trick him, and finally destroy him.

 

and his ideas about maya are fairly strange , on one hand speaking of non-entanglement and then advising to be shameless in acquiring it , again he does his best to stereotype women to illustrate his points:

Money comparable to the bride of an orthodox family is not of much use. It must be like a prostitute available to anyone in need. (planned investment is better than savings)

[guruvah 170]

On ‎5‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 5:11 PM, shastarSingh said:

Indians consider Chanakya to be a great administrator and one of the wisest man to have ever born. They treat him as their Wisdom Guru.

In his book, Chanakya Niti, (Chapter 07, couplet no.12), Chanakya says

"Do not be very upright in your dealings for you would see by going to the forest that straight trees are cut down while crooked ones are left standing."

hez saying be a weasel in life. cause honest people are always at the receiving end from their from their foes/circumstances in life etc.

 

[shastarSingh 316]

Jawahar lal Nehru used to say

" baat aise karo ki har baat ke 100 pehlu hon, koi mudda to ho baat badalne kaa". 

"Speak in such a way that whatever u speak shud have multiple meanings and multiple aspects, so that if needed, u could renege on what u said."

[TejS 1,067]

12 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

like this :

A house having a venomous snake is not suitable for living. In the same manner, a house having an ill-tempered wife with low morals, deceitful friends, or with an impolite talkative servant is also not suitable for living.

A good wife is pious, expert at household chores, faithful and never speaks a lie to her husband.

However if she is judged to have a temper:

A man must leave a religion without love and compassion, must leave a teacher without knowledge. Also its better to leave a short tempered wife and relatives with no love and respect for you.

makes me laugh because by that standard everyone should leave Brahminism

women come in only two forms wife or prostitute for him and the wife is almost nothing :

You can earn money after losing it, you can make new friends, and also you can get another wife, but this is not the case with the body. [take good care of your health]

That explains the attitude we have heard of in past times of hindus to their womenfolk being kidnapped.

He blames Sita's beauty for her kidnapping not Rama's trickery or Ravan's ego

The three views of three beings for a very beautiful woman. She will be equivalent to a corpse for some Yogi, a lustful man will consider her as an object of desire, and for a dog she will be nothing more than a big lump of meat. [… contains very deep meaning. Discretion advised]

for a holy man he seems very knowledgeable about prostitutes:

It is the characteristic of a <banned word filter activated> that she talks with one man, stares at another with a third person in her mind. If is not the mistake of that <banned word filter activated>, but is of the man who thinks that she will love him.

A foolish man easily falls in love with a <banned word filter activated> and then becomes her toy. She will use him, betray him, trick him, and finally destroy him.

 

and his ideas about maya are fairly strange , on one hand speaking of non-entanglement and then advising to be shameless in acquiring it , again he does his best to stereotype women to illustrate his points:

Money comparable to the bride of an orthodox family is not of much use. It must be like a prostitute available to anyone in need. (planned investment is better than savings)

This does not surprise me considering it is coming from a Brahmin practicing the Hindu faith. Almost all ancient faiths (including the Abrahamic faiths and Hindusim) treat women as subordinate slaves, sexual objects, and the source of misery/destruction for mankind. It's only Sikhi that truly gave equal respect to women, and it saddens me to see some Sikh women that misuse the freedom/equality they have been blessed to be born in to by throwing themselves and their progeny back into denigration by marrying out with some Christian or Muslim or Hindu. 

[shastarSingh 316]

interesting topic.

more vichar could be done!

[MokhamSingh 754]

Adhere to Gurmit, but at the same time, keep tougher exterior.

If you give the impression that you’re soft, you’ll get shafted!!!