Shameless " Sikh sects " who abandoned Banda Singh Bahadur caused a period of darkness over Panjab.

[13Mirch]

13 hours ago, S1ngh said:

Please show respect to guru jees family member. Baba Banda Singh bahadur was a great Sikh saint and soldier and I choose to see him that way even though he made few mistakes. 

Ludicrously, Santa Sio Nang stepped over the bodies of the innocent Sikhs slain in Operation Bluestar to build the "sarkari takhat-" he is a hero; Banda Singh created the first Sikh Raaj, he's a villain.

[StarStriker]

banda singh bahadur made mistakes no doubt.....however his shaheedi more than made up for his mistakes.

as babbu maan says......."banda bahadur amar keetha ohdi wafadari ne".

 

[genie]

Banda singh bahadhur being a rajput hindu convert to Sikhi for all his faults and flaws as a ordinary human being was a great warrior hero for the Sikh nation. His and the Khalsa's daring adventures and martyrdom eventually lead the path for sikh misls to establish themselves by more daring hit and run attacks on various anti-sikh authorities and within a few decades Sikhs had come together to establish the Sikh empire along with 5 other Sikh kingdom states. If it wasn't for banda singh bahadhur sirhind and various hostile muslim occupied area's would never have got destroyed the muslim populations would never have got forced to run away, be slain in warfare or forced to convert to sikhi and thus Sikhs would have been finished by playing too politically correct being too nice in the face of extreme persecution and extermination by the enemy.

I noticed one thing about hindu converts to Sikhi they tend to be alot more fierce towards Islam and its hostile populations. Whereas Sikhs born into Sikh households tend to be alot more easy going, pluralistic and neutral or balanced when it comes to Islam and dealing with muslims. In times of hostile muslim populations then these type of Sikh converts are very useful but when its times of diplomacy, peace and co-existence they can be a liability as they tend to be still bitter and hateful towards muslims.

[Bhagat Singh]

On 7/4/2018 at 12:59 PM, puzzled said:

Some people do say that Banda Singh Bahadur was wrong, I don't know, should be careful of what we say though! he could of been very close to Waheguru for what we know.

Banda Singh ji was definitely a mahapurakh.

There are historical records of Mughals being frightened by his power to cause thunderstorms. The ability to effect the weather in this way is a result of heightened spiritual awareness.

And we know that he was already a Guru and commanded quite a following in Madhya Pradesh, prior to meeting Guru Gobind Singh ji.

So his followers knew he was enlightened, his enemies knew he was enlightened.

We know he was not attached to wealth as he gave all that away after attaining power in North India.

We also know that he was from the Bairagi order, an Order of Saints who believe in total detachment from material things and power. Bhagat Ramanand ji and his sikhs, Kabir ji, Ravidas ji, etc are from that Order of Saints.

So it would not be a surprise if Guru Gobind Singh ji selected him to lead the Khalsa due to these qualities.

His submission and humility during their meeting probably impressed Guru ji as well.

It is the same reason why Guru Nanak Dev ji selected Bhai Lehna ji as the next Guru. (Bhai Lehna ji was also a Guru prior to his meeting with Guru ji.)

So it is not surprising to me that some groups of Sikhs back then started considering Banda Singh ji as the next Guru, as Banda Singh ji's own following was combined with that of Guru ji.

But he was never given the official Gurgaddi by Guruji.

So that whole aspect of our history is a bit messy, where some Sikhs considered him a guru and others did not.

Their conflict was strong enough to the point where some of them abandoned Banda Singh ji, at a critical point, which then lead to his martyrdom.

The story of goat slaughter is probably arising from that tension between the two groups of Sikhs.

I personally can't imagine Guru sahib slaughtering goats in a Sadhu's kutiya but God only knows.

[Kira]

9 hours ago, Bhagat Singh said:

 

It is the same reason why Guru Nanak Dev ji selected Bhai Lehna ji as the next Guru. (Bhai Lehna ji was also a Guru prior to his meeting with Guru ji.)

 

Please provide the historical text stating this. 

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Their conflict was strong enough to the point where some of them abandoned Banda Singh ji, at a critical point, which then lead to his martyrdom.
 

Except he did say he was the Guru, That's why a hukamnama from Mata Sundri Ji was issued telling Sikhs not to follow him, that's why Sikhs started leaving him in the droves, its why he lost control of his Spiritual powers too as Mata Ji cursed him . No-ones calls him a villain, nor was he one. Ego is a terrible foe, but Baba Ji eventually overcame it and died a true Sikh of Guru Sahib.

[13Mirch]

10 hours ago, Bhagat Singh said:

Banda Singh ji was definitely a mahapurakh.

There are historical records of Mughals being frightened by his power to cause thunderstorms. The ability to effect the weather in this way is a result of heightened spiritual awareness.

And we know that he was already a Guru and commanded quite a following in Madhya Pradesh, prior to meeting Guru Gobind Singh ji.

So his followers knew he was enlightened, his enemies knew he was enlightened.

We know he was not attached to wealth as he gave all that away after attaining power in North India.

We also know that he was from the Bairagi order, an Order of Saints who believe in total detachment from material things and power. Bhagat Ramanand ji and his sikhs, Kabir ji, Ravidas ji, etc are from that Order of Saints.

So it would not be a surprise if Guru Gobind Singh ji selected him to lead the Khalsa due to these qualities.

His submission and humility during their meeting probably impressed Guru ji as well.

It is the same reason why Guru Nanak Dev ji selected Bhai Lehna ji as the next Guru. (Bhai Lehna ji was also a Guru prior to his meeting with Guru ji.)

So it is not surprising to me that some groups of Sikhs back then started considering Banda Singh ji as the next Guru, as Banda Singh ji's own following was combined with that of Guru ji.

But he was never given the official Gurgaddi by Guruji.

So that whole aspect of our history is a bit messy, where some Sikhs considered him a guru and others did not.

Their conflict was strong enough to the point where some of them abandoned Banda Singh ji, at a critical point, which then lead to his martyrdom.

The story of goat slaughter is probably arising from that tension between the two groups of Sikhs.

I personally can't imagine Guru sahib slaughtering goats in a Sadhu's kutiya but God only knows.

Other than Gupta's unsubstantiated assertion, no other historian has ever categorised him as a Guru "with a large following in Madhya Pradesh." Maybe he was deified by his own small band as one, but there is nothing to imply that he had some "large following."

[13Mirch]

45 minutes ago, Kira said:

Please provide the historical text stating this. 

Except he did say he was the Guru, That's why a hukamnama from Mata Sundri Ji was issued telling Sikhs not to follow him, that's why Sikhs started leaving him in the droves, its why he lost control of his Spiritual powers too as Mata Ji cursed him . No-ones calls him a villain, nor was he one. Ego is a terrible foe, but Baba Ji eventually overcame it and died a true Sikh of Guru Sahib.

Why has this hukamnamah never been located?

[puzzled]

I don't think there is enough information out there for us to judge him! Iv got a book on Banda Singh Bahadur might read it some time this week. "First Raj of the Sikhs The Life & Times of Banda Singh Bahadur by Harish Dhillon"  

[13Mirch]

9 hours ago, puzzled said:

I don't think there is enough information out there for us to judge him! Iv got a book on Banda Singh Bahadur might read it some time this week. "First Raj of the Sikhs The Life & Times of Banda Singh Bahadur by Harish Dhillon"  

Yeah, that's a fiction.

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon]

On 7/4/2018 at 5:05 AM, Gagan1995 said:

That could've been dealt with after the defeat of the mughals and the formation of Sikh Empire . Think of this , if the Sikhs had set up an empire during the time of Banda , it would've never had leaders to fell into the clutches of the dogras , and on top of that , it would've been around for 150 yrs  before the Brits started the war , infact , I doubt the brits would've ever started a war , since Sikhs would'n't have had weak leaders after Maharaja Ranjit . But , I diving into a whole :" fantasy , what if scenarios " which are completely pointless. 

Sikhs were at that time not capable of establishing an empire, and at the same time resisting attacks from all directions. Banda Bahadur did not establish a functioning empire.