Diaspora relations

[Guest Learner]

Hi guys, I have some questions about diaspora relations. 

In Canada in general do Tamils and Hindus in general get on with Sikhs or is it neutral or is it a negative relation.

Secondally and finally , in the UK do Hindus get on with Sikhs /neutral/negative. Also is there rivalry between Hindus , Sikhs or Muslims and if so are Hindus and Sikhs on the same side or are they separate.

Thanks

[Guest jigsaw_puzzled_singh]

13 hours ago, Guest Learner said:

Hi guys, I have some questions about diaspora relations. 

In Canada in general do Tamils and Hindus in general get on with Sikhs or is it neutral or is it a negative relation.

Secondally and finally , in the UK do Hindus get on with Sikhs /neutral/negative. Also is there rivalry between Hindus , Sikhs or Muslims and if so are Hindus and Sikhs on the same side or are they separate.

Thanks

I think inter-diaspora relations is a more interesting topic than inter-community relations within the diaspora and I will come on to that in a second. But first, regarding your question: There isn't really a generic 'diaspora community' within any country. We like to assume there is but there really isn't. For example it would be silly to assume that Sikhs living in stunning aestheticaly beautiful Vancouver have the same life as Sikhs living in what is arguably the world's ugliest, most boring and dullest city: Toronto. It would be silly to assume that the Sikhs that live in tight, compact and congested Vancouver, around Main and Fraser, live in the same type of houses and streets as Sikhs that live in the city of Surrey. But, when addressing other diasporas in other countries, we have a tendency to group them all as one. In the same way, Sikhs that live in the south of England not only have very different experiences with other communities than the Sikhs that live in the Midlands or north of England but we also have very different accents and dialects. Within London and the south of England there are really only 2 Sikh areas where Muslims dominate and there is some friction and that is East London and Luton. In the Midlands (Birmingham etc) and the North however, the Muslims not only have the large numbers but they also have the 'wrong' sort of Muslim in that they are jungle Mirpuri types. But, when a Sikh sitting in another part of the diapora hears stories from the Midlands Sikhs he or she will assume that it is the norm all over England.  Generally, in the UK, all the communities get along extremely well. There used be Sikh ghettos in the 1960s and 70s but now we all pretty much live and work alongside each other. With the Hindus, there is zero problems or friction anywhere.

With regards to inter-diaspora relations I think we'll have to wait a generation before many of the Canadian Sikhs get a little more educated and lose that unpadh mentality of equating better life on the basis of how big one's house is and how wide the road outside is. An extremely large percentage of Sikhs from the UK that emigrate to Canada do come back home within 6 months because it really is hard to leave a place full of culture, tradition, museums, the arts and life and move to a place with nothing more than identikit strip malls and a large house situated in a place the world has not only forgotten but doesn't know even exists in the first place. As the UK Sikhs are overwhelmingly an inner-city community there is a reluctance to move to the dead and boring suburbs anyway but that is made more difficult when it's another country. Also, in the UK, you have to understand that our houses are built to last 300 plus years, made of brick, the breeze block and then more brick. It's hard to move from a place where things are solid to a place such as Canada where the 'brick' is merely the illusion of solid when it is added to the front of the house as a false veneer. It's a hard to move from a solid brick house to a house in Canada where the houses are made out of paper and, in the case of BC especially, you don't even get to enjoy your own home because you have strangers living under your floorboards to the east, more strangers under the floorboards to your west and another stranger family at the back of your garden where your garage used to be. A Sikh moving from the centre of the world (London) to Canada is just like a Punjabi selling his property in Ludhiana and buying one in Uttar Pardesh instead simply because he gets one 5 times the size there and includes a swimming pool etc. The house might be bigger. But it's a backward step.

In terms of political involvement within the different diasporas, the Canadian Sikhs are at exactly the same level as British Pakistanis. If the number of MPs is a barometer for 'success' than one would have to say that British Pakistanis are an unbelievable success story, for they have multiple MPs, is the Home Secretary of the whole country and the elected Mayor of the most powerful and influential city on earth: London. But, as we all know, they are not a success story. They, just like Canadian Sikhs, operate by block voting their people in. They take over constituency memberships, get their man in and vote him or her in regardless of policies. The UK Sikhs should not be seeking to emulate this backwards method. In Canada, you also have to factor into the equation the extreme levels of inter-community jealousy and hatred within the various Chinese communities that ensure that a Sikh will always fill the void and get elected on the back of the split Chinese vote. In many instances in Canada, a Mandarin speaker will never vote for a Cantonese speaker, a Cantonese speaker will never vote for a Fujian speaker, a Fujian will never vote for a Vietnamese, a Filipino will never vote for the Hokkien etc. This infighting allows the Sikh candidate to fill the void and get everyone's votes. Not everything is black and white. There's a lot of issues at play.

[Dsinghd]

Sikhs and Hindus are from India.

Islam came from Arabia.

There is rivalry between India and Pakistan. Millions were killed in 1947 because of partition. Sikhs and Hindus fled Muslim Pakistan.

[puzzled]

Sikhs and punjabi Hindus get on well in the uk  because of the same culture, not so much with Hindus from other parts of India as the culture is very different.

Some sikhs get on well with muslims but in general You won't see many sikhs and Muslims socializing.

[Guest Be the change]

On 7/15/2018 at 9:28 PM, Guest Learner said:

Hi guys, I have some questions about diaspora relations. 

In Canada in general do Tamils and Hindus in general get on with Sikhs or is it neutral or is it a negative relation.

Secondally and finally , in the UK do Hindus get on with Sikhs /neutral/negative. Also is there rivalry between Hindus , Sikhs or Muslims and if so are Hindus and Sikhs on the same side or are they separate.

Thanks

You do realize that religion is an illusion right? 

Like we're all equal as God's children and creation. 

You should be the change that u want to see in the world and not see people as hindu or Muslim and as just the same. 

 

[Guest guest]

On 7/15/2018 at 7:28 PM, Guest Learner said:

Secondally and finally , in the UK do Hindus get on with Sikhs /neutral/negative. Also is there rivalry between Hindus , Sikhs or Muslims and if so are Hindus and Sikhs on the same side or are they separate.

its neutral and no one cares.  theres no sides.

hindus freely go to Gurdwara and you see occasional sikhs (including the occasional Singh- tsk tsk!) at mandir.  though i think the khalistani speeaches at Gurdwaras upset Hindus.

theres no 'rivalry'.

if anything, sikhs mistrust other sikhs, sadly.  

btw why do you ask?  kind of a creepy question, i wondering what your intent is.

[Guest guest]

On 7/16/2018 at 10:21 AM, Dsinghdp said:

There is rivalry between India and Pakistan. 

 

theres no rivalry.  sikhs and hindus in panjab don't care or bother about pakistan, they just see it as some foreign country and don't even bother about it.  only the india news media (not the panjab one) obsesses about pakistan.

[Guest guest]

theres no problem with sikhs and tamils in uk, which i think is what you are asking?  they get along, each keep to their own things otherwise.

sikhs get along easily with other communities.  you can see that all over India too.

[Guest GuestSingh]

Met a lot of nationals from Tamil, Gujarat, Kerala, UP, Maharashtra, Pakistan (inc. some western born) at work in the uk and apart from one or maybe two, the majority seem friendly and easy-going.

[ipledgeblue]

I worked in a big company a few years, and this muslim colleague always wanted to take the team to halal restaurants whenever going out for socialising or cinema. I knew some of the restaurants are halal due as I recognised a few from Housnlow, Nandos peri peri knockoffs basically.