How India should've been divided in 3 in 47 !

[Gagan1995]

           Another What If's scenario here that takes place in a parallel universe. This is all dependent on a new Sikh leader ship not mental midgets like Tara Singh , the stooge of Congress.  Here we have Nihang leaders who agreed with Dr.Ambelkeder plan to convert 30 million Dalits to Khalsa, so this atleast gives Sikhs some good numbers. 

 

      Sikhs get

- United Panjab 

- Uttarkhand 

- North Rajistan 

- Kashmir 

- Sindh [ for ocean ports ] 

- KPK 

- Peshwar

- Chunks of West Tibet [ during the Communist / Nationalist Civil war in China , Sikhs take advantage and with Superior size and genetics take west tibet easily, so this is later down the line , not during 1947].

Sikhs also had the best military jathas during these times vs the muslims . So if the muslims refused to leave , these specialized jathas with WW2 weapons and experience in WW2 would have an edge on the Muslim league goons. Like they removed the muslim majorities in East Punjab, they could've done the same in West Punjab and Kashmir against the tribal Afgans].

 

Muslims get 

- United Bengal 

- Balochistan 

I think for the most part they've would've been satisfied, Balochistan and united Bengal are decent chunks of land. 

 

Hindus get 

 

- Rest of India 

- Burma [ Yes Burma got independence but I think in this time line , they would've been a part of India. 

- Nepal - It was not under the british but India could annex it if they wanted 

 

Few Decades down the line ........

1970s , Soviets invade Afganistan, this time they succeed as the Sikhs help them and in turn Sikhs get East Afganistan and Soviets get West Afgan. 

 

 

Now If we had technology to go to parallel universes, who wouldn't here leave this timeline  for the one with Sikh Rule. 

[puzzled]

Imo and iv said it before sikhi can spread in India but by creating a sikh country it will limit sikhi. 

Sort the messed up police in punjab first  most of them are from sikh families and look at how they treat other sikhs. Look at our leaders what have they done for sikhs? The alcohol obsession  hiring slutty stage dancers at wedding receptions   change that mentality first.

Why limit sikhi to one region of South Asia when you can invite so many more people to it. 

There is so much hera pheri in the minds of Punjabi people   everything they do is with hera pheri. Everything they gain is through tricks and plotting. you have brothers killing each other over land. You have sons who get their illiterate parents to stamp property/land papers with their thumbs and then throw them out.  If your sons raped someone just pay the police and he will be out! To run a sikh country you need to people to behave and think like sikhs first.

[puzzled]

I usee to be one of those teenagers who had no clue about sikhi but would go around bashing Hindus and saying we need khalistan, but when i got a little older and understood sikhi more and started going punjab I just looked at the state of punjab and thought to myself that no way does this look like a sikh homeland   there is very little sikhi there.

They were all killed off back in the 70s 80s and 90s  a whole generation was systematically murdered    what was left behind is the current mess 

[TejS]

9 hours ago, puzzled said:

Imo and iv said it before sikhi can spread in India but by creating a sikh country it will limit sikhi. 

Sort the messed up police in punjab first  most of them are from sikh families and look at how they treat other sikhs. Look at our leaders what have they done for sikhs? The alcohol obsession  hiring slutty stage dancers at wedding receptions   change that mentality first.

Why limit sikhi to one region of South Asia when you can invite so many more people to it. 

There is so much hera pheri in the minds of Punjabi people   everything they do is with hera pheri. Everything they gain is through tricks and plotting. you have brothers killing each other over land. You have sons who get their illiterate parents to stamp property/land papers with their thumbs and then throw them out.  If your sons raped someone just pay the police and he will be out! To run a sikh country you need to people to behave and think like sikhs first.

Thank you. A separate Sikh country is a terrible idea and limits the scope of the religion.

[acsap]

15 hours ago, puzzled said:

I usee to be one of those teenagers who had no clue about sikhi but would go around bashing Hindus and saying we need khalistan, but when i got a little older and understood sikhi more and started going punjab I just looked at the state of punjab and thought to myself that no way does this look like a sikh homeland   there is very little sikhi there.

They were all killed off back in the 70s 80s and 90s  a whole generation was systematically murdered    what was left behind is the current mess 

This site has been taken over by Hindus and Hindu lovers. 

India has killed thousands of Sikhs and raped our sisters and daughters, and none of those Hindus got punished, but let's stay with our rapist overlords. 

Also, let's blame how incompetent Sikhs are ( and of course they deserve it). Keep on blaming the victims!

Khals Raj was one of the best run countey in it's time, but according to these Hindu lovers, Sikhs are capable of nothing!!

[GareebSikh1699]

2 hours ago, acsap said:

This site has been taken over by Hindus and Hindu lovers. 

I agree. When people promote the caste system, traitors like Santa or false baqwaas like Sri Chand Puja at the Ganges which have nothing to do with Gurmat or Gurbani then it's clear where they stand. Those types support the destruction of Sikhs.

India has killed thousands of Sikhs and raped our sisters and daughters, and none of those Hindus got punished,

I agree with you fully about the Congress Genocide of Sikhs

but let's stay with our rapist overlords. 

This statement I disagree. Nobody can control Sikhs. Nobody can make us ghulam. But in the present time jadho Gurdwareh banddeh hoyeh neh, drugs at such an epidemic, a fertility rate below replacement level and pro-Khalistan parties won less than 1% of the vote in the elections last year and the USA, Russia, UK, France, Canada, Australia, China, Pakistan governments all openly supporting the terrorists in their sheltering of people like Sajjan Kumar then it's not as simple as a few kids voting in an online referendum and thinking a new country will be created. In order to build a home the foundations for it need to be strong as opposed to made out of online dreams. If the basic foundations are not in place it is not possible to build something tangible like how you might want in response to the Congress Genocide of Sikhs as exposed by Shaheed Jaswant Singh Khalra Ji whose figures confirmed between 15 to 25,000 innocent Sikhs killed.

Also, let's blame how incompetent Sikhs are ( and of course they deserve it).

If we in the West don't pump in our hard earned money to ensure our Qaum is stronger year after year via education, health and parchar objectives then we will only have ourselves to blame.

http://www.shdf.org/

https://educatepunjab.net/

Keep on blaming the victims!

That's what happens in the real world.

20% of the Sikh population was killed in the 1947 Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs (the equivalent of if 65 million Americans were killed by Islamic State tomorrow) and yet Pakistani propagandists blame 1947 on the Sikhs! And what's more instead of Sikhs using their tourist dollars to uplift poor Sikhs they would rather make the Pakistani Government even richer via yatra's!

Shaheed Bhai Bhupinder Singh Ji Khalsa was killed and his two orphans are told by bootlickers of Badal that their Daddy deserved it for being an Amritdhari Sikh and doing Tat Gurmat parchar alongside Bhai Ranjit Singh Dhadrianwale and threatened that more Amritdhari Sikhs like them will be killed.

 

Khalsa Raj was one of the best run country in it's time

It absolutely was and I have no doubt if sincere Sikhs were to become a majority in India through seva and parchar for the poorest victims of Delhi Sarkar throughout the country it would be a much better place to live in than the rape capital it is.

but according to these Hindu lovers, Sikhs are capable of nothing!!

Sikhs are capable of anything if we work unitedly for seva.

But we have to recognise the reality on the ground in front of us:

In 1984 there were 15 million Sikhs and 500 million Hindu's

In 2018 there are 21 million Sikhs and there are 1,000 million (falsely) classified as Hindu's who could become new Sikhs

In 1984 the economy of India was 2% the size of its GDP today.

India's defence spending has increased 100 times since 1984

In 1991 Sikhs were 63% of the Punjab population

By the 2021 census Sikhs could become a minority within the east Punjab population*

*Assuming no action is taken by us as ordinary Sangat to unite each and every pind under a single united Gurdwara and ensure the same thing in the West

 

In 1984 it was primarily the UK, USSR and USA who supported Indira

Now in 2018 every single country USA, UK, Russia, Canada, France, Germany, Japan, etc even including China and Pakistan are sucking up to Modi because they care about the financial benefits of trading with a 1.3 billion population multi-trillion economy as opposed to the human rights of the thousands killed in the years from 1984 in the Congress Genocide of Sikhs unleashed by terrorist Indira Gandhi and her wretched son.

https://thediplomat.com/2015/02/china-india-to-lead-world-by-2050-says-pwc/

So things are not as simple as they seem and we cannot excuse people from our community who deal drugs, take drugs, promote alcohol, promote female infanticide, encourage poor Sikhs to leave Sikhi, discriminate in matrimonial circles and Gurughars. We as ordinary Sikhs have to take action to correct what's happening at a basic level before even thinking too far ahead.  

 

[acsap]

4 hours ago, MahadrasSingh said:

Very true, we need to aim bigger, a famous saying is "Aim for the moon, even if you miss, you'll still land among the stars." 

We cannot even get justice for our raped sisters after 35 years, but let's shoot for stars!

[Markgateshead]

Why do sikhs living in their own state of Punjab speak Hindi instead of punjabi? 

[Guest]

On 7/20/2018 at 7:40 AM, Gagan1995 said:

This is all dependent on a new Sikh leader ship not mental midgets like Tara Singh , the stooge of Congress.

LOL Mater Tara Singh, the first person in independent India to be arrested for betraying the state, is somehow a "stooge of Congress". 

I'm pretty sure you also think that he, being the evil anti-Sikh boogeyman, denied the British offer for Khalistan.  Brits barely gave the musleh a state, even though they had more than 90 million musleh living in India, how on earth would they give  9 million  Sikhs, who didn't even form a full  majority in any area of Punjab, a state? 

 

[acsap]

"Now in 2018 every single country USA, UK, Russia, Canada, France, Germany, Japan, etc even including China and Pakistan are sucking up to Modi because they care about the financial benefits of trading with a 1.3 billion population multi-trillion economy as opposed to the human rights of the thousands killed in the years from 1984 in the Congress Genocide of Sikhs unleashedby terrorist Indira Gandhi and her wretched son."

Answer, sort of: As I mentioned before, I respect what you are doing and saying. However, that being said, read Sikh history ( which I am sure you have), Sikhs have never moved forward without taking revenge or justice, I am open to you providing me some examples from the Sikh history, where that has not happened. 

You might think that odds are against Sikhs, but read Sikh history, I will take these odds any day compare to what Sikhs have been through in the past. I have full faith that Sikhs will get justice, no matter what the odds are. 

As you know, what I am saying and what you are saying are not mutually exclusive, we can do both. 

I will pm you, just because I believe in your cause, I will either either match or double the donation to your Sikh charity although they are not the one I donate to.