Are Satan and Kalyug the same thing?

[puzzled]

the iconography of satan with horns and things comes from the pagan gods. There was some pagan god of fertility and he had horns, the horns represented lust. The early Christians basically used him as a model for satan, as Christians saw pagan gods as demonic anyway. thats how satans image came about.  

[jkvlondon]

1 minute ago, puzzled said:

the iconography of satan with horns and things comes from the pagan gods. There was some pagan god of fertility and he had horns, the horns represented lust. The early Christians basically used him as a model for satan, as Christians saw pagan gods as demonic anyway. thats how satans image came about.  

he is a cross between baal, the Babylonian god , the satyr (part man part goat seducer) of Greek pantheon and serpent of Genesis myth (beautiful, silver tongued trickster)

 

[puzzled]

1 minute ago, jkvlondon said:

he is a cross between baal, the Babylonian god , the satyr (part man part goat seducer) of Greek pantheon and serpent of Genesis myth (beautiful, silver tongued trickster)

 

thats it Satyr, just did a google search lol.  But yeah i don't think the bible actually describes satans appearance apart from him changing forms and becoming a serpent. The the whole devil appearance was created much later by early christian artists,I remember watching a documentary on bbc called   "how the devil got his horns" and the earliest depictions of satan show him looking like any other angel with wings but was colored red. It was much later that the horns, tail etc were added. I guess it was a result of Christianity spreading more in to pagan lands and demonizing their gods.

 

[puzzled]

just had a quick read about Satyr and he sounds very frustrated lol 

[jkvlondon]

Just now, puzzled said:

thats it Satyr, just did a google search lol.  But yeah i don't think the bible actually describes satans appearance apart from him changing forms and becoming a serpent. The the whole devil appearance was created much later by early christian artists,I remember watching a documentary on bbc called   "how the devil got his horns" and the earliest depictions of satan show him looking like any other angel with wings but was colored red. It was much later that the horns, tail etc were added. I guess it was a result of Christianity spreading more in to pagan lands and demonizing their gods.

 

the genesis describes him as beautiful , attractive ...which is the glamour aspect of maya (false appearence concealing the evil) Lucifer was the most beautiful of all the angels , the most clever (can read that as haumai filled). Medieval fire and brimstone preachers needed to create monsters to scare pilgrims and the poor into donating . It would have been wiser to warn against the seducing  nature of kaal

[puzzled]

1 minute ago, jkvlondon said:

the genesis describes him as beautiful , attractive ...which is the glamour aspect of maya (false appearence concealing the evil) Lucifer was the most beautiful of all the angels , the most clever (can read that as haumai filled). Medieval fire and brimstone preachers needed to create monsters to scare pilgrims and the poor into donating . It would have been wiser to warn against the seducing  nature of kaal

thats really interesting, yeah i'v read how his vanity and ego was the cause of his own fall, not that far from reality is it lol 

[Not2Cool2Argue]

Kalyug is more a time period, and refers to society. Where more people are materialistic and less into spirituality. And there is so much distraction in the world, so much pleasure that we become sick of it. Suicide is highest now. 

All the ancient rules, societies, technology, knowledge has become obsolete. It is either forgotten or no longer relevant. Like the caste system, the strict religious rules, the gender roles, magic etc. 

I think kalyug refers to the what is most valued in society and what is seen as the highest goal. In satyug, spirituality was the goal, and good character was valued most. Now its success and materialistic achievments

[jkvlondon]

16 minutes ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

Kalyug is more a time period, and refers to society. Where more people are materialistic and less into spirituality. And there is so much distraction in the world, so much pleasure that we become sick of it. Suicide is highest now. 

All the ancient rules, societies, technology, knowledge has become obsolete. It is either forgotten or no longer relevant. Like the caste system, the strict religious rules, the gender roles, magic etc. 

I think kalyug refers to the what is most valued in society and what is seen as the highest goal. In satyug, spirituality was the goal, and good character was valued most. Now its success and materialistic achievments

what about bachan that khalsa will be untouched by kalyug if rehitvaan nitnemi;  it kind of implies that it is not just a time period but a spiritual aspect also ?

[Not2Cool2Argue]

On ‎11‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 7:51 PM, jkvlondon said:

what about bachan that khalsa will be untouched by kalyug if rehitvaan nitnemi;  it kind of implies that it is not just a time period but a spiritual aspect also ?

I think thats covered by the bachan, Jab lag khalsa rehe nyara, tab lag tej dio mai sara. 

We have to remain distinct from the time period/society, in order to succeed spiritually.