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Gurbani does not say it was futile to do Artee with lit lamps, incense and flowers before a statue

But does it says that its fine for Sikhs to do the same ritual before the SGGS ji while reading shabads from Gurbani ?  cuz i've seen alot of people wearing BAANA doing it, Basics of sikhi started doing when Bhai Jagraj Singh passed away....

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obviously you haven't read Rag Dhanasri mahala 1 ...  even Gopal tera Aarta (which is part of aarti aarta shabads read)
The true aarti is going on in the universe all the time , what we do as humans is a poor imitation.  However aarti reading is part of our Gurbani treasure and gives deep gian and bismaad , it clarifies how Gurbani helps youas you realise the true jot

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2 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

obviously you haven't read Rag Dhanasri mahala 1 ...  even Gopal tera Aarta (which is part of aarti aarta shabads read)
The true aarti is going on in the universe all the time , what we do as humans is a poor imitation.  However aarti reading is part of our Gurbani treasure and gives deep gian and bismaad , it clarifies how Gurbani helps youas you realise the true jot

Why do we imitate ? Can't we imitate through Shabad Only ?

and why our Institutions do AArti like this ?

 

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19 minutes ago, Amit12 said:

Why do we imitate ? Can't we imitate through Shabad Only ?

and why our Institutions do AArti like this ?

 

We worship SAt Guru ji which is Akal Purakh the Creator/the Origin whereas  Others worships humans , statues, even allowing for mental frame of mind  the Created Devtey/Devian  so in NO WAY are we copying them . Even the shabads we recite are eulogies of Akal Purakh not the created

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36 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

We worship SAt Guru ji which is Akal Purakh the Creator/the Origin whereas  Others worships humans , statues, even allowing for mental frame of mind  the Created Devtey/Devian  so in NO WAY are we copying them . Even the shabads we recite are eulogies of Akal Purakh not the created

But For them, the God that they are Worshiping, is also The Almighty, The Greatest, The Creator, isn't it ?

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19 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

no they know there is trinity- Vishnu Shiva and Brahma , under Akal Purakh so that is a fallacy

For many sects.... They think their sect's God is supreme,

Regardless, So you're saying that Gurus Disregarded the Aarti of Hindu Gods and encouraged to do Artee with lit lamps, incense and flowers before BANI, right ?

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54 minutes ago, Amit12 said:

For many sects.... They think their sect's God is supreme,

Regardless, So you're saying that Gurus Disregarded the Aarti of Hindu Gods and encouraged to do Artee with lit lamps, incense and flowers before BANI, right ?

Only Akaal Purakh Waheguru ji is supreme

Guru Sahib disregarded Hindu Aarti to show people that 1) it was pointless because 2) they are worshipping random other Gods and 3) Guru ji revealed Dhanasri Mehla 1 Aarti to show that the whole universe is doing Aarti of Waheguru ji and not any Devte.

The reason why the Nihungs do Aarti in front of Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj, I heard is because the Hindus were under attack and Nihungs took them in, into their sanctuary and the Sikhs allowed the people to have their Thaali with Dive but only if they read Gurbani with them. 

 

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35 minutes ago, RajKaregaKhalsa1 said:

Only Akaal Purakh Waheguru ji is supreme

Guru Sahib disregarded Hindu Aarti to show people that 1) it was pointless because 2) they are worshipping random other Gods and 3) Guru ji revealed Dhanasri Mehla 1 Aarti to show that the whole universe is doing Aarti of Waheguru ji and not any Devte.

The reason why the Nihungs do Aarti in front of Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj, I heard is because the Hindus were under attack and Nihungs took them in, into their sanctuary and the Sikhs allowed the people to have their Thaali with Dive but only if they read Gurbani with them. 

 

Sikhs may have let them use their Thaalis but why would the sikhs join them ? 

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@Amit12 Lighting dive and throwing flowers at the Gurdwara is a practice in complete contradiction to the message of Gurbani. It's an upward battle though because your discussion isn't with people who are able to think beyond the walls of their own existence. It's like showing a mirror to aboriginals.

The fact this type of practice originates from dharmic faiths such as hinduism is actually irrelevant. If it was a good practice for us to take advantage of then I'd be all for it, but the fact is - it is equatable to throwing water to the sun so that it reaches those that have passed. If somebody with the message of Guru Nanak was to arrive today then the majority of mainstream Sikhs would reject him/her and if he/she suggested that these practices had no place in the Gurdwara they would find a way to create humiliation for such a person.

People seem to be able to justify almost ANYTHING and EVERYTHING at WILL. They are hellbent on pushing their own narrative on to those around them. I see the current state of Sikhs especially here in the UK no more than a flavour of the month, weird cringe fashion show circus collective of people who lack self-confidence and only join the faith to "belong" somewhere. The end.

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6 minutes ago, Jaggaa said:

 

If it was a good practice for us to take advantage of then I'd be all for it, but the fact is - it is equatable to throwing water to the sun so that it reaches those that have passed. 

Your analogy does not apply here.  The sun is far away and the water won't reach the sun. Yet Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is sitting close.  The sangat is all around the Guru and have the ability to read Gurbani. Aarti in the form of celebration to throw flowers on Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is okay.  

Some bow their heads.  Some bow with their total body and head.  But if at the end you have not bowed with your mind to the Gurus teachings then all was wasted.  Aarti is a tricky one because the Guru instructs to bow with mind and body.  This we know for a fact. Same goes for chaur sahib; its allowed even though chaur sahib is described to be the trees in the aarti shabad part of Sohila Sahib.  With aarti there is no instructions to perform it as one big act.  But bits and pieces have been taken from it and are used by the Gurus and Gurmukhs for Sri  Guru Granth Sahib ji. A lamp lit before Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and waved has not been approved by any shabad in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji that I know.  

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6 hours ago, Jaggaa said:

People seem to be able to justify almost ANYTHING and EVERYTHING at WILL. They are hellbent on pushing their own narrative on to those around them. I see the current state of Sikhs especially here in the UK no more than a flavour of the month, weird cringe fashion show circus collective of people who lack self-confidence and only join the faith to "belong" somewhere. The end.

@S1ngh @ADMIN @MOD strange how a recent post of mine that said the same thing about non-panjabi converts was deleted, presumably after being reported, yet its fine to say it about panjabis?

why one rule for us and another for converts? havent u seen the stuff some of them do? they are in no way superior to us so please lose your inferiority complex, any mental shackles and think again before doing matha tek to them - oppressing an opinion thats based on observation and speaks the truth just to appease to potential converts is quite pathetic and doesnt serve the actual purpose of this forum..

if it was reported by certain posters, they need to do the same - u might think ur clever but the truth hurt u..and oppressing it too only makes you come across weird liberals pursuing a 'religious' agenda...

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8 hours ago, Jaggaa said:

@Amit12lf somebody with the message of Guru Nanak was to arrive today then the majority of mainstream Sikhs would reject him/her and if he/she suggested that these practices had no place in the Gurdwara they would find a way to create humiliation for such a person.

 

Who knows, at current State we won't even notice when someone like guru Nanak will come and go.... If guru Nanak was to share his views today with the sikhs, then he'll probably get (I apologise for using this word ) ex-communicated by taksalis.

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