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On 6/24/2019 at 7:01 AM, GuestSingh12345 said:

I think the talk outlines what we are meant to be as singhs in the khalsa panth. 

Singhs dont have a want to be a comando.  The drive to help others comes from centuries of training the mind to follow the teachings of Gurbani. What the guys in the video are talking about is instinct behavior.  They are wired a certain way and they want to behave in this manner.  Singhs are the opposite.  They have instinct behaviors like rest of the world but they behave as the Guru guides them to act.  It's a very different concept than behaving as a person is biologically wired.  

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14 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

Singhs dont have a want to be a comando.  The drive to help others comes from centuries of training the mind to follow the teachings of Gurbani. What the guys in the video are talking about is instinct behavior.  They are wired a certain way and they want to behave in this manner.  Singhs are the opposite.  They have instinct behaviors like rest of the world but they behave as the Guru guides them to act.  It's a very different concept than behaving as a person is biologically wired.  

Yeah, you ever consider that some (or perhaps many) of the puratan Singhs who fought might have also been biologically wired that way too?

Not every Sikh is cut out for it maybe? 

 

http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/18843-guru-gobind-singh-jis-advice-to-rai-singh-from-chaupa-singh-rehatnama/

 

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1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

Yeah, you ever consider that some (or perhaps many) of the puratan Singhs who fought might have also been biologically wired that way too?

Not every Sikh is cut out for it maybe? 

 

http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/18843-guru-gobind-singh-jis-advice-to-rai-singh-from-chaupa-singh-rehatnama/

Very interesting. It's something I've long suspected on an instinctive level. This age, and for the foreseeable future, is one where we need the Rai Singhs to step up and make some moves. The time for the berserker Singhs will come again eventually. In the meantime I think the general idea of cultivating a well-rounded mentality that functions between the opposite ideals of the Saint and the Soldier is a good way to exist in this age when we seem to be existing in a strangely stagnant yet unpredictably hostile period where anything could happen at any time. Based on the advice from Guru Sahib in the above rehatnama, they seem to be alluding to the idea that so-called thinkers fall into the mistake of arrogantly intellectualising and moralising certain deeds and acts during times of desperation when what's actually needed is the will to fight and win. That line about Sikhs falling to prey to affection for materialism, be it physical and emotional, seems to be the current state of things. 

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9 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Yeah, you ever consider that some (or perhaps many) of the puratan Singhs who fought might have also been biologically wired that way too?

Not every Sikh is cut out for it maybe? 

 

http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/18843-guru-gobind-singh-jis-advice-to-rai-singh-from-chaupa-singh-rehatnama/

 

So what if some Singhs fought because they were wired that way.  That has nothing to do with following the Guru.   These same Singhs will fight when the Guru says not too. Because they are following their instinctive way rather than listening to the Guru.  

The story you provided also proves nothing because it shows a person named Rai Singh was not able to follow the Guru's direction to fight and instead would contemplate what should be done as the Singhs are fighting the other side.  A Sikh of the Guru would follow the instructions to fight and continue till given direction otherwise.  Bhai kanhaiya ji was given instructions to help those who have fallen on the battlefield.   He was following the Guru instructions.   Someone like you will say he, bhai kanhaiya ji was not wired to fight so he didn't fight.  It's a foolish opinion. 

You have been on Sikh forums for 3 or 4 decades and you have not understood what Sikhi is.  You follow the Pandit system of what a person was born with is what he is; brahmin is a brahmin and a shudr is a shudr.  Guru Angad Dev ji slaps your theory in the face but you  can't understand why you are being slapped. Like a blind mule you continue to follow your Pandit.  Gursikhs do as they are asked to by the Guru.  The Guru transformed low caste people who were scared to fight into soorma by giving them the teaching of Gurbani.  Its Gurbani that transforms anyone into a soorma.  Not some biological make up.  Baba Deep Singh is a perfect example of a Singh who used the Guru's given wisdom in battle.  The Punj pyare came from different backgrounds yet they fought like soorma.  It's the Guru's wisdom that carries a Sikh forward in battle.  Sikhs singing the Guru's Bani as they are sawed in half.  It's pure Gurbani and not some genetic make up.  In a Sikhs nitnem the Gurus says to be a soldier means nothing and will not give a person a seat in his court.  It's about giving up personal desires and following the Gurus teachings.

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6 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

Its Gurbani that transforms anyone into a soorma.

And In your mind it's nothing to do with all the physical training, martial arts and hunting Guru ji promoted to prepare people. 

No one is saying that Gurbani isn't absolutely essential for Sikhs but you clearly live in some fantasy land.

 

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