Don't call yourself a Sikh if you eat meat.

[Akalifauj 900]

18 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

 The meat issue you can take up with Hazooris  and Nihang in person. Which you won't. 

What makes you think they haven't been left speechless. Only thing they say is, its tradition.   Also, you have provided nothing of value to this discussion.   None of your antics worked so your last resort is to try intimidation.  This wont work either.  You are a coward.  Let me rephrase it,  you are a white privileged coward.  No nihang, no hazuri can harm any Gursikh. Their leader Santa sinh died in pain for his evil act. Here is a history lesson.  Bhagat prahlad ji was up against a tryannt like the nihang Singhs and Hazuri Singhs have become today.  Vaheguru himself came to destroy the tryannt that wanted to hurt his bhagat. Killing innocent goats for blood is an evil act.  Bhagat kabir ji says, who will cut a throat to have meat with their bread/roti.  Meaning who would hurt another in the process of obtaining a meal.  The nihangs kill the innocent goat to obtain its blood primarily. It's done because its a customary ritual, a dishonest ritual. They physically cut the throat of an innocent animal.  For such a crime there is great punishment. 

[GurjantGnostic 525]

14 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

What makes you think they haven't been left speechless. Only thing they say is, its tradition.   Also, you have provided nothing of value to this discussion.   None of your antics worked so your last resort is to try intimidation.  This wont work either.  You are a coward.  Let me rephrase it,  you are a white privileged coward.  No nihang, no hazuri can harm any Gursikh. Their leader Santa sinh died in pain for his evil act. Here is a history lesson.  Bhagat prahlad ji was up against a tryannt like the nihang Singhs and Hazuri Singhs have become today.  Vaheguru himself came to destroy the tryannt that wanted to hurt his bhagat. Killing innocent goats for blood is an evil act.  Bhagat kabir ji says, who will cut a throat to have meat with their bread/roti.  Meaning who would hurt another in the process of obtaining a meal.  The nihangs kill the innocent goat to obtain its blood primarily. It's done because its a customary ritual, a dishonest ritual. They physically cut the throat of an innocent animal.  For such a crime there is great punishment. 

Okee bro. I'm Paul that's between y'all. Good luck with all that. 

[ipledgeblue 149]

the same shanka was shown by sikhs towards Guru Hargobind Sahib jee when they started wearing dumalla, carrying shastar, hunting shikaar and being surrounded by warriors.

sikhs went to complain to Baba Budha jee and Bhai Gurdas jee.

Also a parallel gurgaddi was started to try and imitate the first 5 Guru Sahibs and oppose Guru Hargobind ji warrior lifestyle.

I'm seeing the same shanka now. Especially towards really rehitee Singhs such as Budha Dal, Tarna Dal, Hajoor Sahib and Patna Sahib. 

Most Singhs that keep the vegeterianism do not follow rehit in any full form, especially towards the warrior/kshatriya style and also fall flat of preserving Guru Gobind Singh bani, many cannot even read Chaupai Sahib properly! If the veggie Singhs followed rehit sangat could take them seriously, unfortunately they do not especially as they are led by jathebandis and sant babas that have no interest in following rehit fully like the 2 takhts and the Dals do preserve rehit! Do not use your vegeterianism as an excuse to not follow rehit and wear bana and actually follow all 10 Gurus, but this is what has been happening since last century!

[kangw 57]

On 12/3/2019 at 5:29 AM, Eishwinder said:

In the guru granth sahib is doesn't mention that eating meat is a sin so who are you to say dont call yourself sikh if you eat meat.Well if you say that eating dead animal is a sin then eating vegetables is too because when picking or ripping off the vegetable off the plant is killing and hurting the plant.Most vegetables contain bugs and guru nanak dev ji said  that it was fine to eat the corn so for more it is okay to eat meat.Im not right or wrong  comes down to your own beliefs values morals and how you see Sikhism .

Yes, but plants don't walk on all fours to move from one location to another like animals do. Plants have to be pulled out from the ground to a different location.  Sometimes, they don't thrive in their new environment due to unsuitable soil conditions sadly enough. On the other hand, animals can be transported from one place to another whether dead or alive, they will thrive anywhere if fed properly (a bit like yourself).  Even Bernard shaw was a strict vegetarian, never killed a fly in his entire life. You all need spiritual counselling.

Judging from your post, you don't seem to have any beliefs, values or morals, forget about Sikhi. You seem like someone who visits Masts and their babeys in green clothes who tie threads around their wrists for protection from evil spirits and so on.  People like you are deeply steeped in superstition and silly activities which consist of mumbo-jumbo rituals, dance,  alcohol and meat consumption on daily basis.

 

 

 

 

[kidsama 21]

15 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

the same shanka was shown by sikhs towards Guru Hargobind Sahib jee when they started wearing dumalla, carrying shastar, hunting shikaar and being surrounded by warriors.

sikhs went to complain to Baba Budha jee and Bhai Gurdas jee.

Also a parallel gurgaddi was started to try and imitate the first 5 Guru Sahibs and oppose Guru Hargobind ji warrior lifestyle.

I'm seeing the same shanka now. Especially towards really rehitee Singhs such as Budha Dal, Tarna Dal, Hajoor Sahib and Patna Sahib. 

Most Singhs that keep the vegeterianism do not follow rehit in any full form, especially towards the warrior/kshatriya style and also fall flat of preserving Guru Gobind Singh bani, many cannot even read Chaupai Sahib properly! If the veggie Singhs followed rehit sangat could take them seriously, unfortunately they do not especially as they are led by jathebandis and sant babas that have no interest in following rehit fully like the 2 takhts and the Dals do preserve rehit! Do not use your vegeterianism as an excuse to not follow rehit and wear bana and actually follow all 10 Gurus, but this is what has been happening since last century!

Bro...

Guru Hargobind Sahib ji in his hukamnama said, "Maas machhi de nerrey nahai jawnaa". Exact words. 

[Ranjeet01 1,501]

Ecology can be complicated:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivorous_plant

[Ranjeet01 1,501]

When an animal dies, it will decompose and provide nutrients in the soil which the plant will feed off.

We maybe eating plants that have fed off animals.

Life consumes life in all it's forms.

[ipledgeblue 149]

On 12/14/2019 at 6:57 PM, kidsama said:

Bro...

Guru Hargobind Sahib ji in his hukamnama said, "Maas machhi de nerrey nahai jawnaa". Exact words. 

that hukamnama is associated with a veggie jathebandi. Look at the other hukumnamas from Guru sahibs.

 

Guru Gobind Singh's hukamnama to hunt and jhatka. There was one sent to Kabuli sikhs.

[BhForce 1,112]

On 12/13/2019 at 7:13 PM, ipledgeblue said:

the same shanka was shown by sikhs towards Guru Hargobind Sahib jee when they started wearing dumalla, carrying shastar, hunting shikaar and being surrounded by warriors

Well, some people may be doubting the Nihang Singhs.

But that's not the same thing as sants telling people not to eat meat. The sants are not criticizing Nihang maryada.

They are speaking to people living in cities who have no need to eat meat, and even if they did eat it, they'd be buying halal. They are certainly not going to be crying "Sat Sri Akal!" doing jhatka with a 3 ft kirpan!

You do agree that Sikhs should not eat store-bought meat, right bro?

[BhForce 1,112]

5 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

that hukamnama is associated with a veggie jathebandi.

"associated with a veggie jathebandi"? You mean Guru Hargobind ji was a member of ... Nanaksar?

Seriously, though, are you stating that someone forged a hukumnama?

[Harditsingh 3]

How can meat be forbidden we aren't hindus there nothing wrong In eating meat ull just b a scrawny twig if uneat veggies

[ipledgeblue 149]

On 12/19/2019 at 5:46 AM, BhForce said:

"associated with a veggie jathebandi"? You mean Guru Hargobind ji was a member of ... Nanaksar?

Seriously, though, are you stating that someone forged a hukumnama?

It wasn't nanaksar, it's a less sampradaic and more extreme jathebandi. I have read somewhere online quite recently that the founder of the unmentioned jathebandi may have forged it.

 

On 12/19/2019 at 5:44 AM, BhForce said:

They are speaking to people living in cities who have no need to eat meat, and even if they did eat it, they'd be buying halal. They are certainly not going to be crying "Sat Sri Akal!" doing jhatka with a 3 ft kirpan!

You do agree that Sikhs should not eat store-bought meat, right bro?

I agree, and I don't even think sehajdhari sikhs should eat kutha (halal).

But it's the constant bashing of non-veggie sikhs which hasn't allowed rehit of jhatka and shikkar to flourish. It's such a shame that even in Punjab it's not practised enough. During pre-partition times, Singhs were too scared to do jhatka openly because of islamic extremism in Punjab, but at least they did still the jhatka indoors behind closed doors. In those times, the veggie jathebandis hadn't influenced as many sikhs in going against rehit. Now what is happening is just a shame, khulla and kutha maas being eaten everywhere. And wedding parties have just gotten out of control - just a waste of time and money!

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[SurinderpalSingh 3]

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https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/dec/20/are-ferrero-rocher-chocolates-tainted-by-child-labour

[Harditsingh 3]

Guru gobind Singh ji even made new Singh's initiated in the khalsa from Muslim backgrounds eat wild boar to ensure they weren't spies and he even hunted do you think your better or higher moral then Guruji?