Jattism

[Guest brampton]

I grew up in Canada and I have never really integrated into Punjabi culture until of late. Recently, I have been listening to more and more Punjabi music( Sidhu, Karan Aujla) and from there I have realized people still give importance to castes. My father's last name is Chawla and my mom's is Sodhi, but sometimes i still don't feel like a real Punjabi. When I look at my extended family, no-one has cut their hair but I have seen people say " Chawla is a hindu surname".  I don't get why being Jatt is such a big deal.. I think both of my parents are from Khatri roots and I think that is higher than being Jatt, yet everyone around me acts like being Jatt is a superpower. I even saw a post on twitter saying " today is a good day to be a Jatt" or girls saying they are looking for a Jatt man only. I don't know why but this makes me so confused as to think if people actually make assumptions based on my surname. Is being a Khatri looked down upon in punjabi community or does it make me less of a punjabi?

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Hey  I'm a sodhi too brother     Sodhis are rare lol 

 

[dallysingh101 1,905]

7 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Hey  I'm a sodhi too brother     Sodhis are rare lol 

 

They can't be that rare. My cousin is married to one in Canada. 

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11 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

They can't be that rare. My cousin is married to one in Canada. 

Only sodhis iv ever met is my family.  Never met any other sodhi before.  Ish sodhi is a cricketer for New Zealand   dont think there are any other famous sodhis.    Honestly never met any sodhi b4. 

Sandhu, sidhu, gill, virk  etc   the most common names I come across.

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3 hours ago, puzzled said:

Only sodhis iv ever met is my family.  Never met any other sodhi before.  Ish sodhi is a cricketer for New Zealand   dont think there are any other famous sodhis.    Honestly never met any sodhi b4. 

Sandhu, sidhu, gill, virk  etc   the most common names I come across.

Not that I give a toss about these things, but I thought Sodhi was a Khatri got? My cuz's girl is one? 

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18 hours ago, Guest brampton said:

I grew up in Canada and I have never really integrated into Punjabi culture until of late. Recently, I have been listening to more and more Punjabi music( Sidhu, Karan Aujla) and from there I have realized people still give importance to castes. My father's last name is Chawla and my mom's is Sodhi, but sometimes i still don't feel like a real Punjabi. When I look at my extended family, no-one has cut their hair but I have seen people say " Chawla is a hindu surname".  I don't get why being Jatt is such a big deal.. I think both of my parents are from Khatri roots and I think that is higher than being Jatt, yet everyone around me acts like being Jatt is a superpower. I even saw a post on twitter saying " today is a good day to be a Jatt" or girls saying they are looking for a Jatt man only. I don't know why but this makes me so confused as to think if people actually make assumptions based on my surname. Is being a Khatri looked down upon in punjabi community or does it make me less of a punjabi?

You will come across all types of people in life and if you come across a Jat who thinks he is superior then you will come across the same amount of other castes who will try and belittle Jats. There are stupid people everywhere. I think it was Eleanor Roosevelt who said  "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent"

If you are confident in yourself than no amount of idiocy about caste supremacy can have an effect on you. The greatest danger is when you start to fall into the same idiocy but claiming that your caste is higher than the caste of the person.   

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9 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Not that I give a toss about these things, but I thought Sodhi was a Khatri got? My cuz's girl is one? 

Yh it is   but a minority are jatts too   a bit like bedis.   Not sure how that happened    but then again jatt really isn't a caste  but are made up of various different tribes, clans etc   

Baba vadbagh singh sodhi is my ancestor and my family go to his gurdwara dera sahib.  My ancestors originally came from anandpur sahib and settled in doaba.  

Most sodhis are still in anandpur sahib area. But in my dads pind  we have a whole lane were sodhis live. 

[Guest Desijatt]

19 hours ago, puzzled said:

  dont think there are any other famous sodhis.    Honestly never met any sodhi b4. 

 

You do realise from Guru Ramdas ji onwards, all Satguru ji were Sodhi? 

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4 hours ago, Guest Desijatt said:

You do realise from Guru Ramdas ji onwards, all Satguru ji were Sodhi? 

Yh   I know    that's where the sodhi name comes from    sodhis are descendants of the gurus    while bedis are descendants of guru nanak dev ji   and bhalla? Are descendants of guru amar das ji I think.    

Guru Gobind Singh in bachittar natak narrates the history of the sodhis and bedis.  Raam had two sons  luv and kush  one of the sons had a son called sodhi   and that's how the sodhi lineage started, then there was the surya dynasty etc   

My family are from the same line as baba vadbagh singh sodhi  

What I meant was that iv never met a sodhi before other than my own family and extended family ...

 

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12 hours ago, puzzled said:

Yh it is   but a minority are jatts too   a bit like bedis.   Not sure how that happened   

I think it might be because a small number of weak minded people amongst the Sodhis  succumbed to the incessant nonsense from certain peasant quarters about being 'high caste' and joined them myself. 

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1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think it might be because a small number of weak minded people amongst the Sodhis  succumbed to the incessant nonsense from certain peasant quarters about being 'high caste' and joined them myself. 

Bhagat puran Singh jis father was a wealthy khatri while his mother was a jatt.   She was his second wife and was forcefully abducted and forced to marry him.   She used to collect water from the well and then give water to travellers.  Bhagat puran singh jis father found her attractive and abducted her and married her.    But because she was a jatt he didnt want children with her because he saw her as a low caste. He made her abort 5 babies!  6th time he got her pregnant she begged him not to commit the sin of abortion again and he agreed and that baby was bhagat puran singh ji.   

 

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22 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Or they just decided to buy land and start farming. Guru nanak dev ji farmed too  so it explains why a few bedis are jatts today.

I dont see why my khatri ancestors would of decided to become jatts just to become a high caste because khatris and jatts in punjab are of a similar high status anyway.  In fact in cities and urban areas   khatris are higher than jatts.

My nanke family in india are family friends with a Khatri family for generations and we invite each other at family events like Sukhmani sahib paath, weddings  etc 

It's most likely my ancestors started doing farming and started mixing with jatts and marrying them etc   

Either way    it doesnt really matter ...

 

My family are doing farming these days too. Or at least leasing land to farmers. 

They haven't started to call themselves Jutts yet. 

They didn't buy into the inferiority complex I guess??? 

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Jatts today are a caste   100s of yrs ago  jatts weren't a caste it was more of a community rather than a caste     theres a difference.     

Surnames like sahota and rai are castes yet   some of them are jatts too    

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On 12/23/2019 at 10:35 AM, Guest brampton said:

I grew up in Canada and I have never really integrated into Punjabi culture until of late. Recently, I have been listening to more and more Punjabi music( Sidhu, Karan Aujla) and from there I have realized people still give importance to castes. My father's last name is Chawla and my mom's is Sodhi, but sometimes i still don't feel like a real Punjabi. When I look at my extended family, no-one has cut their hair but I have seen people say " Chawla is a hindu surname".  I don't get why being Jatt is such a big deal.. I think both of my parents are from Khatri roots and I think that is higher than being Jatt, yet everyone around me acts like being Jatt is a superpower. I even saw a post on twitter saying " today is a good day to be a Jatt" or girls saying they are looking for a Jatt man only. I don't know why but this makes me so confused as to think if people actually make assumptions based on my surname. Is being a Khatri looked down upon in punjabi community or does it make me less of a punjabi?

You thought belonging to khatri roots were higher than belong to jatt roots? Tum ko tumara khoob hum ko hamara khoob.

Girls are looking for a jatt man only? That's their choice, respect it or don't but don't cry about it and instead move on.

Is being a khatri looked down upon? Subjective? My own opinion and hopefully other people (I hope !?) is that we have never even though about it?

Chawla surname is hindu surname? Come on, who really care.

There's definetly an element of tribalism but that's just because of familiarity. Everyone wants to belong/be part of those that are familiar. The way a jatt speaks, behaves and certain cultural beliefs he/she holds will be different how say a chinese person behaves. So it's in his/her own interest to make it easier and to belong to familiar ground they go and seek the company of another "jatt". It's not rocket science.

Hopefully you don't have any more confusion.