Origin of Punjabi Word 'Gence'

[Guest jigsaw_puzzled_singh]

7 hours ago, MokhamSingh said:

In this particular case, Jins can mean:

Variety. Different types.

Older Punjabi generations used this word in a derogatory manner for a mischievous child or person...

 

 

Exactly the same the Greek root then, i.e. 'Genos' = different groupings of people.  (p.s if you're gonna insist on spelling Gence with a 'J' you'll have to be consistent and start spelling the word 'genocide' and 'Jenocide' too)

A little off-track but it is interesting how Farsi succeeded in getting rid of the Greek words used in Punjab but wasn't 100% successful. Alot of the old Greek words remained in use by the masses and made Punjab a bit of an outlier in this regard. The word 'Kuri' is a good example. Still used in Greece as one of the the words for a young girl.

[Guest N0nce]

On 7/14/2020 at 11:59 AM, Guest Jigsaw_Puzzled_Singh said:

Can anybody help me with tracing the origin of the Punjabi word 'Nonce' ?

Muhammad and the Clinical Definition of Pedophilia

From WikiIslam, the online resource on Islam

 

 

 

The age difference between 9 year old Aisha and 54 year old Muhammad was 45 years

This article discusses the DMS (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual) of mental disorders and cites sahih hadiths to show that ProphetMuhammad was a pedophile according to clinical definitions.

For all related sahih hadiths confirming Aisha's age at marriage and consummation, see: Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Aisha. For a comprehensive refutation of all the claims that Aisha was older than 9, see: Aisha's Age of Consummation. And for all other apologetic arguments, see: Responses to Apologetics: Muhammad and Aisha.

Contents

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• 1Pedophilia
  • 1.1Pedophilia according to DSM-IV-TR
• 2Analysis
  • 2.1Only pre-pubescent girls were allowed to play with dolls
    • 2.1.1Sahih Bukhari
      • 2.1.1.1Alternative Translations
    • 2.1.2Does the phrase 'little girls' mean pre-pubescent?
  • 2.2Aisha was pre-pubescent when Muhammad consummated the marriage
  • 2.3Consummating the marriage means sexual intercourse
    • 2.3.1Abu-Dawud Book 41, Number 4914
      • 2.3.1.1Proof One
      • 2.3.1.2Proof Two
      • 2.3.1.3Proof Three
      • 2.3.1.4Proof Four
  • 2.4Summary
• 3Conclusion
• 4See Also
• 5External Links
• 6References

Pedophilia

Many critics of Islam claim Muhammad's relationship with Aisha was a pedophilic relationship, therefore Muhammad was a pedophile.

Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: "Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old."

Sahih Muslim 8:3310

In psychiatry, the most commonly used diagnostic criteria for diagnosing psychiatric ailments are those from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of mental disorders. The latest issue is DSM-IV-TR. The DSM classification is a system that classifies and defines all accepted psychiatric ailments and symptoms, with their inclusion and exclusion criteria. The following are the inclusion and exclusion criteria for pedophilia (302.2):

Pedophilia according to DSM-IV-TR

A. Over a period of at least six months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).

B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies caused marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.

C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A. 

Note: This does not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12- or 13-year-old.

Diagnostic Critiera for Pedophilia
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Psychiatry Online

"According to the DSM-IV definition, pedophilia involves sexual activity by an adult with a prepubescent child. Some individuals prefer females, usually 8- to 10-year-olds. Those attracted to males usually prefers slightly older children. Some prefer both sexes. While some are sexually attracted only to children, others also are sometimes attracted to adults.

Pedophiliac activity may involve undressing and looking at the child or more direct physical sex acts. All these activities are psychologically harmful to the child, and some may be physically harmful. In addition, individuals with pedophilia often go to great lengths to obtain photos, films or pornographic publications that focus on sex with children.

These individuals commonly explain their activities with excuses or rationalizations that the activities have "educational value" for the child, that the child feels "sexual pleasure" from the activities or that the child was "sexually provocative." However, child psychiatrists and other child development experts maintain that children are incapable of offering informed consent to sex with an adult. Furthermore, since pedophiliac acts harm the child, psychiatrists condemn publications or organizations that seek to promote or normalize sex between adults and children."

Diagnostic Critiera for Pedophilia
Medem Medical Library

In the following article, it will be shown that Muhammad's relationship with Aisha did indeed meet all the criteria to make the diagnosis of pedophilia, and therefore Muhammad was undoubtedly a pedophile.

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I am surprised no one understood the root of the word. 

Its related to the biological word (latin, as most are)  : GENUS 

GENUS is a level above species. Two species within a genus can interbreed, for example : horse and donkey, tiger and lion, and so on

but above GENUS , differences become too different 

GENUS therefore is a latin (indo-european) word for "family" or something closely related 

Yes , my mom also used to perojatively use this word for me when I would be too prankster as a kid

but it just means "something of a kind" 

 

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biological nomenclature of species name follows the format : <genus_name> <species_name>

so "Homo Sapiens" , we're sapiens within the homo genus, neanderthals were another species within Homo . Homo Erectus were other species but all belonging to Homo genus, hence possibly did interbreed in remote past

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[MokhamSingh]

10 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

I use to come home from primary school, get changed, and lay down on the sofa to watch Rainbow. My dad use to say, "Eh munda kinha teet." I think it means either moderately lazy or a milder version of being cheeky; basically the person is pushing their luck, etc. Those old school Punjabi words -- the non-blue ones -- were amazing, lol.

EDIT: I just saw Mokham Singh's definition of "teet", and that definitely makes more sense!

Geoffrey, Bungle, and Zippy, were definitely worth watching...

[MisterrSingh]

3 hours ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

I am surprised no one understood the root of the word. 

Its related to the biological word (latin, as most are)  : GENUS 

GENUS is a level above species. Two species within a genus can interbreed, for example : horse and donkey, tiger and lion, and so on

but above GENUS , differences become too different 

GENUS therefore is a latin (indo-european) word for "family" or something closely related 

Yes , my mom also used to perojatively use this word for me when I would be too prankster as a kid

but it just means "something of a kind" 

 

edit --

biological nomenclature of species name follows the format : <genus_name> <species_name>

so "Homo Sapiens" , we're sapiens within the homo genus, neanderthals were another species within Homo . Homo Erectus were other species but all belonging to Homo genus, hence possibly did interbreed in remote past

So it's use in the Punjabi context is correct. It's an insult that suggests the target is barely human. 

Although, something tells me this isn't the word Jagsaw was looking for.

[puzzled]

16 hours ago, MokhamSingh said:

Dheet means STUBBORN. But stubborn for bad things, as opposed to stubborn for good things...

That makes sense then, i can be a bit stubborn sometimes  lol

[puzzled]

13 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

I use to come home from primary school, get changed, and lay down on the sofa to watch Rainbow. My dad use to say, "Eh munda kinha teet." I think it means either moderately lazy or a milder version of being cheeky; basically the person is pushing their luck, etc. Those old school Punjabi words -- the non-blue ones -- were amazing, lol.

EDIT: I just saw Mokham Singh's definition of "teet", and that definitely makes more sense!

Yes those days, coming back from school and then throwing yourself onto the sofa lol        I dont remember rainbow, i used to watch rugrats and the wild thornberrys lol!  

[Guest]

2 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

So it's use in the Punjabi context is correct. It's an insult that suggests the target is barely human. 

Although, something tells me this isn't the word Jagsaw was looking for.

genus doesn't mean barely human. it means  'kind' . its a group. something of a kind. Like how tigers, lions, leopards belong to same genus

In punjabi context it means "What kind of a creature this" prankster kid is

[MisterrSingh]

53 minutes ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

genus doesn't mean barely human. it means  'kind' . its a group. something of a kind. Like how tigers, lions, leopards belong to same genus

In punjabi context it means "What kind of a creature this" prankster kid is

I never implied it literally meant barely human. According to the diagram you posted with the hierarchy of species and types, it clearly shows Genus ranked among other types of beings, Human being one of the closest kinds. So, if Gence is an obscure derivative of the Latin Genus, then the Punjabi insult makes sense, i.e. you're a different species close to human but not quite.