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On 9/17/2020 at 6:32 PM, Singh1989 said:

Very, very hard as am in the same boat. 

I suppose if / when they tell u to get involved u could simply speak out tukhts where it states Nindia is wrong? (NOT Sant ka nindhk stated in Sukhmani Sahib) but other times Maharaaj mentions Nindia / juglia. If they get it, good. If not... U perfomed your duty, did yer bit. 

There are whole passages on slandering, you could quote one. The nindaks faces are blackened, It’s a great crime. Gaslighting and slandering can lead to a human being going insane. You hear of kids who grow up mentally unstable after their nindya being done by bullies, and adults who become the same. Very sad. It’s effects can be very real.
 

Some people can not be affected by it and don’t believe it, but in my experience, if it’s bad enough, that’s rare. I believe that much of the world lives in fear of it, and that the media plays on this fact and feeds off And encourages the low self esteem of people. Knowing who we are, our origin is key to not falling for this stuff and not sinking into it mentally.

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On another note, a bunch of trolls and bullies have set up a thread doing my nindya and emotionally abusing me in another thread. Read it and see how nindya works, and how people who speak such sweet words on other threads can become demons on another. Such are many so called bhagats in the age of Kalyug. Wolves in sheep’s clothing. 

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On 9/14/2020 at 9:43 AM, kaur said:

Waheguru ji ka khalsa..waheguru jee kee fateh..

Sangat ji I have some concerns regarding our social lives.. Some kathas and sants talk about being alone is good and then I think about this Ghrist Jeevan.

Sometimes we have to sit with a group of people who are talking in general and then end up gossiping and criticizing others.

I know it is wrong and when I tell them as a joke that we should gossip less, I get the answers back like oh this is the reality..this is how people are.. we are just telling the truth..

So I have few questions in my mind.. 

First of all.. When someone call himself/herself spiritual.. can they still be rude? Can they still insult you in front of others to prove you wrong? Can they still criticize( commenting on others' upbringing) ?

What I understood..that once your heart is pure..you actions are simply sweet.. but then these days..everyone goes..oh be careful from those who are sweet talkers.. those who are little rude..they have good hearts..

My second question and really important for me to know is if I sit with someone(elders.....from family) who talks bad about anyone or gossip.. will it effect my karams too? What to do when you have no choice? Sometimes, they complain and expect you to get involved .. anytime I don't answer, I get to hear oh I am not being respectful..I am being ignorant...especially in the family..it is really hard...

Please advice how to handle this situation..

Waheguru JI

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On 9/19/2020 at 12:39 AM, Sat1 said:

There are whole passages on slandering, you could quote one. The nindaks faces are blackened, It’s a great crime. Gaslighting and slandering can lead to a human being going insane. You hear of kids who grow up mentally unstable after their nindya being done by bullies, and adults who become the same. Very sad. It’s effects can be very real.
 

Some people can not be affected by it and don’t believe it, but in my experience, if it’s bad enough, that’s rare. I believe that much of the world lives in fear of it, and that the media plays on this fact and feeds off And encourages the low self esteem of people. Knowing who we are, our origin is key to not falling for this stuff and not sinking into it mentally.

Thanks for your reply SAT1 ji..

I agree that slandering does effect our karams and daily life. I used to enjoy this gossip and Nindeya. I used to say oh look how that person reacted or did things in certain situation... like I was enjoying to make big deal out of nothing. It was there like someone was being nice, rude, etc.. It was not a lie but I used to enjoy it with extra masala.. 

It is interesting how similar things happened to me and only then I realized that no one has an easy life to live. Criticizing others, their actions just for the sake of our entertainment is a sin. Finally, I have learned my lesson and still I need to remind myself here and there when I start getting into Nindeya.

We should have compassion for everyone and when it is comes to the slanderers, I would say better to stay quiet. Eventually they will get the message and won't do nindeya and chugli when we are around :) It will get better and better as long as we remind ourselves to make this place better for the future generation :)

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On 9/19/2020 at 1:42 AM, Sat1 said:

On another note, a bunch of trolls and bullies have set up a thread doing my nindya and emotionally abusing me in another thread. Read it and see how nindya works, and how people who speak such sweet words on other threads can become demons on another. Such are many so called bhagats in the age of Kalyug. Wolves in sheep’s clothing. 

Please don't worry about any kind of nindeya others do.. just worry about our karams. Our goal is to be a good human being. Waheguru is there to make others realize about their mistakes. I have felt it and I am so grateful that with Guru's kirpa I learned my lesson.. So much more to learn.. 

Read it and see how nindya works, and how people who speak such sweet words on other threads can become demons on another. Such are many so called bhagats in the age of Kalyug. Wolves in sheep’s clothing. 

These lines above are really strong. My intention was just to get the answers about if we are always meditating, can we still be bitter. I got my answer that once you are like bhagat, you are simply sweet inside and out.. So let's try to be like those bhagats :)

The rest Waheguru will handle..

 

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On 9/17/2020 at 9:32 PM, Singh1989 said:

Very, very hard as am in the same boat. 

I suppose if / when they tell u to get involved u could simply speak out tukhts where it states Nindia is wrong? (NOT Sant ka nindhk stated in Sukhmani Sahib) but other times Maharaaj mentions Nindia / juglia. If they get it, good. If not... U perfomed your duty, did yer bit. 

SO TRUE..

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I just remembered 1 more shabad while reading the posts

Bhale Nindo Bhale Nindo Bhale Nindo Lokho. 

Slander me well,Slander me well,Slander me well, O people.

Bhul Chuk Maf 😀🙏

 

 

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On 9/18/2020 at 10:42 PM, Sat1 said:

On another note, a bunch of trolls and bullies have set up a thread doing my nindya and emotionally abusing me in another thread. Read it and see how nindya works, and how people who speak such sweet words on other threads can become demons on another. Such are many so called bhagats in the age of Kalyug. Wolves in sheep’s clothing. 

You are right, I was reading it too and it was so upsetting to read such a lot of nindia against you.  They are so patronising towards you just because they think you are young and inexperienced. Even if you are, no one has the right to be bad to you or anyone. After all, no one can be experienced in everything in life  regardless of their age!  Just ignore them. Be who you are and judging from your posts you seem to be doing really well.  Don’t stop posting because of these fools. You are a Sikh, a learner. Their unreserved nindia towards you has taught me something and that’s how certain people can be so vile towards others and cause so much hurt and pain without taking accountability for it!  Because of the pain you felt taught you not to do the same to others because they will also feel the same hurt and pain these nindaks caused you. See there is a lesson to be learned even from the nindaks. Let go and live your life with higher principles, which you are already doing, judging from your posts. Be good to others.

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3 hours ago, Shaheed4life said:

I just remembered 1 more shabad while reading the posts

Bhale Nindo Bhale Nindo Bhale Nindo Lokho. 

Slander me well,Slander me well,Slander me well, O people.

Bhul Chuk Maf 😀🙏

 

 

nindo nindo moko lok nindo   I thought was the shabad , it is clear that nindaks end up picking up the paap di guttadi of the person they do ninda about , the sakhi behind this shabad was a neighbour of Bhagat Kabir ji was constantly doing ninda of him and Bhagat ji felt blessed that this person was willing to wash his sins for him , and praised him as a true friend . When that neighbour died Bhagat Kabir ji was deeply sorrowful IRL. When people do ninda think of them as helpers in a way then your haumai will not drag you through krodh

 

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7 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

nindo nindo moko lok nindo   I thought was the shabad , it is clear that nindaks end up picking up the paap di guttadi of the person they do ninda about , the sakhi behind this shabad was a neighbour of Bhagat Kabir ji was constantly doing ninda of him and Bhagat ji felt blessed that this person was willing to wash his sins for him , and praised him as a true friend . When that neighbour died Bhagat Kabir ji was deeply sorrowful IRL. When people do ninda think of them as helpers in a way then your haumai will not drag you through krodh

 

True.There is a shabad Bhale Nindo Bhale Nindo Bhale Nindo Lokho. It's in Mai Bauri Mera Raam Bhataar.😀🙏

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18 hours ago, Shaheed4life said:

I just remembered 1 more shabad while reading the posts

Bhale Nindo Bhale Nindo Bhale Nindo Lokho. 

Slander me well,Slander me well,Slander me well, O people.

Bhul Chuk Maf 😀🙏

 

 

And it reminds me of one more shabad... 

Nindho Nindho, moh ko log nindho.. 

Slander me, Slander me - go ahead people, and slander me..

I listen to this shabad when I know someone is judging me/taking me more..

Sometimes, I try to make it clear but not everyone wants to understand my point of view..

Closing my eyes and listening to this shabad gives me peace.

It is all good people..slander me.. Waheguru can read my mind and that matters the most :)

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15 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

nindo nindo moko lok nindo   I thought was the shabad , it is clear that nindaks end up picking up the paap di guttadi of the person they do ninda about , the sakhi behind this shabad was a neighbour of Bhagat Kabir ji was constantly doing ninda of him and Bhagat ji felt blessed that this person was willing to wash his sins for him , and praised him as a true friend . When that neighbour died Bhagat Kabir ji was deeply sorrowful IRL. When people do ninda think of them as helpers in a way then your haumai will not drag you through krodh

 

And I was just writing about this shabad in my post :)

 

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15 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

nindo nindo moko lok nindo   I thought was the shabad , it is clear that nindaks end up picking up the paap di guttadi of the person they do ninda about , the sakhi behind this shabad was a neighbour of Bhagat Kabir ji was constantly doing ninda of him and Bhagat ji felt blessed that this person was willing to wash his sins for him , and praised him as a true friend . When that neighbour died Bhagat Kabir ji was deeply sorrowful IRL. When people do ninda think of them as helpers in a way then your haumai will not drag you through krodh

 

Thank you for the beautiful sakhi.. Beautiful reminder..

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On 9/20/2020 at 12:43 PM, Shaheed4life said:

I just remembered 1 more shabad while reading the posts

Bhale Nindo Bhale Nindo Bhale Nindo Lokho. 

Slander me well,Slander me well,Slander me well, O people.

Bhul Chuk Maf 😀🙏

 

 

True 🙏

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On 9/20/2020 at 2:46 PM, Guest Blue Mountain said:

You are right, I was reading it too and it was so upsetting to read such a lot of nindia against you.  They are so patronising towards you just because they think you are young and inexperienced. Even if you are, no one has the right to be bad to you or anyone. After all, no one can be experienced in everything in life  regardless of their age!  Just ignore them. Be who you are and judging from your posts you seem to be doing really well.  Don’t stop posting because of these fools. You are a Sikh, a learner. Their unreserved nindia towards you has taught me something and that’s how certain people can be so vile towards others and cause so much hurt and pain without taking accountability for it!  Because of the pain you felt taught you not to do the same to others because they will also feel the same hurt and pain these nindaks caused you. See there is a lesson to be learned even from the nindaks. Let go and live your life with higher principles, which you are already doing, judging from your posts. Be good to others.

That’s true, thanks so much 🙏

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