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Thank you for sharing this. Very interesting to know this. Infact Ramayan / Mahabharat are part of Sikh history. Dhruv, Prahlad etc. This is all our history. 
 

One mahapurakh even said that Sikhi is the panth of Raj Rishis. I dont know the name of that mahapurakh.
 

We are householder Yogis. 

However people on this forum will not accept anything Sikhi connected to what you said. People on this forum have a very deep personal political agenda, they will put labels & harrass Sikhs who do not agree with them. They want to alienate Sikhi from everything and make us look like fundamentalist. 
 

 

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Thanks bro, I agree with the term Householder Rishi. Frankly I dont know the difference between Yogi & Rishi. Do know that Rishi is the person with long hair tied in a knot. 

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A few questions. 

So the bhagats didn't achieve mukti? and came back as the panj pyare and then got mukti ?

also, the panj pyare were South Asians (and men)  in their previous lives and then got reincarnated as South Asians again? 

what happens to Whites, Blacks, Chinese then etc ?    

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1 hour ago, puzzled said:

A few questions. 

So the bhagats didn't achieve mukti? and came back as the panj pyare and then got mukti ?

also, the panj pyare were South Asians (and men)  in their previous lives and then got reincarnated as South Asians again? 

what happens to Whites, Blacks, Chinese then etc ?    

No they were sent by Vahguru to return. They did achieve mukhti.

For 2 it is random but they were sent pacificaly so that is why.

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2 hours ago, Arsh1469 said:

No they were sent by Vahguru to return. They did achieve mukhti.

For 2 it is random but they were sent pacificaly so that is why.

I agree with you Arsh1469. Brahmgyanis gat can only be known by brahmgyanis.

These kinds of question arise from a mind, that like to “think”, “analyse”, “logicalise” everything. Typical of westernized sikhs. Unfortunately thats not how things work. 

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15 hours ago, puzzled said:

A few questions. 

So the bhagats didn't achieve mukti? and came back as the panj pyare and then got mukti ?

also, the panj pyare were South Asians (and men)  in their previous lives and then got reincarnated as South Asians again? 

what happens to Whites, Blacks, Chinese then etc ?    

What does a mans need to do in order to get mukhti?!!?

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42 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

What does a mans need to do in order to get mukhti?!!?

god's grace. 

Karmia aave kapda, nadri mokh duaar (the body is obtained by past meritous karmas , but liberation comes from grace)

But to be worthy of getting god's grace is to try your level best in spiritual pursuit . 

like for eg : the kid trying to get on top of the platform can't do it himself no matter how much he tries , still he does try and his father encourages him too all the while well aware he can't do it himself. After a while, the father picks the kid up and safely puts him on the platform. The kid could have never done it by his own no matter how much he tried but if he didn't persist , his father wouldn't have put him on the platform either. 

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1 hour ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

god's grace. 

Karmia aave kapda, nadri mokh duaar (the body is obtained by past meritous karmas , but liberation comes from grace)

But to be worthy of getting god's grace is to try your level best in spiritual pursuit . 

like for eg : the kid trying to get on top of the platform can't do it himself no matter how much he tries , still he does try and his father encourages him too all the while well aware he can't do it himself. After a while, the father picks the kid up and safely puts him on the platform. The kid could have never done it by his own no matter how much he tried but if he didn't persist , his father wouldn't have put him on the platform either. 

From my experience the people who talk the most about mukhti will be ones who are least likely to attain it. Mukhti isn't the joke it's been made out to be by Sikhs. It takes thousands, dare I say millions of lifetimes to get there.  You have to earn it.  Yes, grace is a necessary component, but it's not fluke or luck.

A rapist who's made a career of his sins isn't going to be blessed with mukhti due to God deciding to bestow his grace upon him. The grace comes after (or IF) he's made a concerted effort to reform. Or it may not. Sikhs seem to think someone can go from being mired in evil 5hit one moment to sitting on God's right hand side with no conscious effort on the part of the soul. If that's the case then the karmic system doesn't exist, and we exist outside of the universal laws that dictate His creation that's existed for infinity.

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3 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

From my experience the people who talk the most about mukhti will be ones who are least likely to attain it. Mukhti isn't the joke it's been made out to be by Sikhs. It takes thousands, dare I say millions of lifetimes to get there.  You have to earn it.  Yes, grace is a necessary component, but it's not fluke or luck.

A rapist who's made a career of his sins isn't going to be blessed with mukhti due to God deciding to bestow his grace upon him. The grace comes after (or IF) he's made a concerted effort to reform. Or it may not. Sikhs seem to think someone can go from being mired in evil 5hit one moment to sitting on God's right hand side with no conscious effort on the part of the soul. If that's the case then the karmic system doesn't exist, and we exist outside of the universal laws that dictate His creation that's existed for infinity.

You have simply reiterated what I said bro. 

Grace comes after deserving as I said. But even that's not guarantee.  

In another vein, I can show u passages from GGS which suggest sinners can too all of a sudden get spiritual moments but that's a reward for their past noble deeds 

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2 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

What does a mans need to do in order to get mukhti?!!?

Detachment from all falsehood, oneness with reality/Waheguru. 

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28 minutes ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

You have simply reiterated what I said bro. 

Grace comes after deserving as I said. But even that's not guarantee.  

In another vein, I can show u passages from GGS which suggest sinners can too all of a sudden get spiritual moments but that's a reward for their past noble deeds 

I feel that's another misunderstanding, too. Someone who's a serial rapist in his current life wasn't doing hard tapasya in his previous life. The journey of the soul is a gradual curve, not a wild swing between extremes. Those noble deeds you refer to are within the context and purview of the general scope of that particular soul's recent (relative over recent joons) experiences and capabilities. A rapist in his current life was (and I'm theorising to make my point) a cannibal previously; before that he was probably in an animal Joon. That gradual ascent of shedding previous ingrained instincts CANNOT be bypassed, because if he does, then the soul learns NOTHING. It makes a mockery of God's laws.

I'm beginning to see why you draw comparisons between us and Jews. 😁 Like them we believe we're special snowflakes who have a covenant with God at the expense of other religions and tribes; that the rules that apply to everyone else don't apply to us. That's very Jewish of us. It's wrong because Mool Mantra states without ambiguity that He favours nobody, i.e. He doesn't possess any human failings such as favouritism or partiality. There isn't a footnote at the bottom of the ang that says, "*Except Sikhs and Jews." 

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@MisterrSingh

Just lastnight I started reading an old book about Baba Nand Singh ji, written by one of his followers I believe. The author writes that Baba ji used to say to save ourselves from from kaam rupi nadi, maya rupi nadi. The author then says, the reader should question how many people have been able to save themselves from these vices ? 

Mukti really is very difficult. 

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