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Naamdhari Baba Shot Dead

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[quote name='ladli-fauj' timestamp='1302651974' post='493863']
[url="http://www.tribuneindia.com/2011/20110413/main4.htm"]http://www.tribunein...10413/main4.htm[/url]
[font="Verdana"][size="2"]According to witnesses, the bullets were pumped straight into his chest, head, stomach and thighs and he died on the spot. [/size][/font]
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Only if our own Panth was still into doing this to all the pankhandi so called leaders and those fake people, maybe Panjab would be a better place today. :rolleyes2:

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[font="Arial"][size="2"]From what's being said in Punjab it looks like a feud over the fake gaddi of "Guru" Jagjit Singh between his maternal grandson Jai Singh and Thakur Dalip Singh (the nephew of Jagit Singh). Both want to be the next "Guru"...[/size][/font][font="Arial"][size="2"][/size][/font]
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[font="Arial"][size="2"]Thakur Dalip Singh is the son of Thakur Singh (brother of current guru Jagjit Singh) and is claiming ownership of the gaddi. On the other front you have Jai Singh who is the son of one of Jagjit Singh's daughters who also claims ownership of the gaddi. Jai Singh had been groomed as the next namdhari "Guru" by Jagjit however some namdhari's are now arguing that the "Guru" lineage should come from the paternal side which links back to "Guru" Ram Singh.[/size][/font]
[font="Arial"][size="2"][url="http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Namdhari-sect-s-aide-shot-dead--heir-apparent-booked/775545/"]http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Namdhari-sect-s-aide-shot-dead--heir-apparent-booked/775545/[/url][/size][/font]
[url="http://www.punjabnewsline.com/content/aide-namdhari-sect-head-shot-dead-punjab/30279"][color="#800080"]http://www.punjabnewsline.com/content/aide-namdhari-sect-head-shot-dead-punjab/30279[/color][/url]
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[quote name='Kaljugi' timestamp='1302702878' post='493914']
Gur-ghaddi? :rolleyes2:
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The naamdharis believe in a continued lineage after Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj. They claim a further 5 dehdhari "Gurus":

"guru" Balak Singh
"guru" Ram Singh
"guru" Hari Singh
"guru" Partap Singh
"guru" Jagjit Singh (current)
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[quote name='Pyara' timestamp='1302703263' post='493916']
The naamdharis believe in a continued lineage after Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj. They claim a further 5 dehdhari "Gurus":

"guru" Balak Singh
"guru" Ram Singh
"guru" Hari Singh
"guru" Partap Singh
"guru" Jagjit Singh (current)
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I'm speechless. I really.....

What are they saying? That they are incarnations of Guru Gobind Singh Ji or even Akal Purakh?
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[quote name='Kaljugi' timestamp='1302706302' post='493920']
I'm speechless. I really.....

What are they saying? That they are incarnations of Guru Gobind Singh Ji or even Akal Purakh?
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[url="http://www.namdhari-leicester.com/#/what-are-namdhari-sikhs/4541444517"]http://www.namdhari-...ikhs/4541444517[/url]

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[font="Arial"][size="2"][i]"After Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji, mainstream Sikh's believe that Satguru Ji passed on the Guruship to Sikh's Holy Book called the Sri Guru Granth Sahib, and that Satguru Ji passed away on the 7 October 1708.[/i][/size][/font]
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[font="Arial"][size="2"][/size][/font]Namdhari Sikh's however believe that Sri Satguru Gobind Singh Ji did not die at Nanded, but eloped and lived under the Name Baba Ajaypal Singh in Nabha. Namdhari Sikh's believe that Guru Gobind Singh Ji lived until the age of 146 (until 1812) and passed on the Guruship to Sri Guru Balak Singh Ji in Hazro in 1812. This belief is the split in Mainstream Sikh's and Namdhari Sikhs. Where mainstream Sikh's ended their continuation in Guruship at Sri Guru Granth Sahib as their ever-lasting Guru, Namdhari Sikh's still follow the principle of having a Living Guru as their Teacher.
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[font="Arial"][size="2"][/size][/font]After Sri Satguru Balak Singh Ji, Namdhari Sikh's believe in Sri Satguru Ram Singh Ji as their 12th Guru. Sri Satguru Ram Singh Ji was responsible for giving Namdhari's Sikh's their distinctive looks (White horizontal tied turban and simple white Kurtha Pajama). Sri Satguru Ram Singh Ji is a philosopher and reformer and the first Indian to use non-cooperation and boycotting of British merchandise and services as a political weapon. Sri Satguru Ram Singh Ji launched his revolt against the British on 12 April 1857 by hoisting a white flag of freedom and announced a programme of far reaching significance.[/i][/size][/font] [font="Arial"][size="2"][i]
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As the British became increasingly aware of Satguru Ji's ever growing popularity amongst the locals, they quickly acted by arresting Satguru Ji and exiling him to Calcutta and then to Burma on 11th March 1872.
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[font="Arial"][size="2"][/size][/font]When Satguru Ram Singh Ji was arrested by the British, he instructed his Sikhs that his brother Bhai Budh Singh would keep the now be responsible for the Ghaddi (Guruship) until he returned. Satguru Ram Singh Ji then renamed Bhai Budh Singh to Sri Satguru Hari Singh Ji, and said that he will now keep Sikhi Hari (Green).[/i][/size][/font]
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[font="Arial"][size="2"][/size][/font]After Sri Satguru Hari Singh Ji, the Guruship was passed onto Sri Satguru Partap Singh Ji in 1906 and then to Sri Satguru Jagjit Singh Ji in 1959.[/i][/size][/font]
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[font="Arial"][size="2"][/size][/font]Today thousands of Namdhari Sikhs which originated in the Punjab region of India extend out to Thailand, England, Africa, Australia, Canada and America. With the ever growing Sangat around the world, Sri Satguru Jagjit Singh Ji has made numerous trips blessing and teaching his Sikhs – Always reminding them that Sri Satguru Ram Singh Ji is going to return and retain his title as the 12th Guru of the Namdhari Sikhs."

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wow how can they even think to compare themselves to Guru Granth Sahib Jee Maharaj thats just sik ! so now there 'guru' is dead they have no one leading them falsely

i heard they also keep Guru Maharaj in a cupboard and use maharaj as a reference ! this is disgraceful !! when will people stop followin fakes and embrace the truth !
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Namdharis are hindus just go on their websites they get married around a fire ,they do havan ,they even burn angs of gurbani they believe in devis and are cool with radhaswamis basically they are a cult whos aim is to hinduize Sikhs


I;ve been waiting for this day for years about time they killed each other off their Guru just dont seem to die even though he cant go for a s***
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http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/1984-riots-witness-pressurised-to-save-sajjan-kumar/1/135267.html
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http://www.indianexpress.com/news/namdhari-murder-hanspal-defends-sect-but-mum-on-charge-against-chiefs-nephew/775843/
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[quote name='Southall Youth' timestamp='1302826575' post='494086']
Namdharis are hindus just go on their websites they get married around a fire ,they do havan ,they even burn angs of gurbani they believe in devis and are cool with radhaswamis basically they are a cult whos aim is to hinduize Sikhs


I;ve been waiting for this day for years about time they killed each other off their Guru just dont seem to die even though he cant go for a s***
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Thats a quite harsh and out of context post... Ols School Nihangs also used to do Havans, there is loads of verses in various Sikk Scripture which talks about Devis..Dasam Granth in particular...Chandi Di Vaar etc, There is an important and undeiable link between the martial aspects of Sikhi and the respect for devis (forms of Akaal Purakhs Shakti), Another example is Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Battle Standard held at Hazur Sahib the Asth Bhuja Dhuja.

Now I dont personally agree with the Naamdharis ideoligy of continued lineage of Guruship...I think it's completely out of order to misrepresent Guru Gobind Singh Ji's character in the way they have, saying he lived in isolation for several years etcc...They themselves will now begn to struggle as the time gap iuncreases while they wait fot Ram Singh to return...it's already looking more or less impossible,

Historically they made a lot of sacrifices during the freedom struggle a lot of Naamdharis became shaheed. They also could teach a fair few mainstream Gyanis a thing or two about Raag Vidiya and Gurmat Sangeet, theyre knowledge of traditional indian classical music and Kirtan is superior to most mainstream gianis.

They also do tremendous amounts of Naam Simran and mediation, a lot more than I do and probably more than a fair few members here
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[quote name='Cisco_Singh' timestamp='1303163167' post='494442']
Thats a quite harsh and out of context post... Ols School Nihangs also used to do Havans, there is loads of verses in various Sikk Scripture which talks about Devis..Dasam Granth in particular...Chandi Di Vaar etc, There is an important and undeiable link between the martial aspects of Sikhi and the respect for devis (forms of Akaal Purakhs Shakti), Another example is Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Battle Standard held at Hazur Sahib the Asth Bhuja Dhuja.

Now I dont personally agree with the Naamdharis ideoligy of continued lineage of Guruship...I think it's completely out of order to misrepresent Guru Gobind Singh Ji's character in the way they have, saying he lived in isolation for several years etcc...They themselves will now begn to struggle as the time gap iuncreases while they wait fot Ram Singh to return...it's already looking more or less impossible,

Historically they made a lot of sacrifices during the freedom struggle a lot of Naamdharis became shaheed. They also could teach a fair few mainstream Gyanis a thing or two about Raag Vidiya and Gurmat Sangeet, theyre knowledge of traditional indian classical music and Kirtan is superior to most mainstream gianis.

They also do tremendous amounts of Naam Simran and mediation, a lot more than I do and probably more than a fair few members here
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The amount of naam simran they do is between them and waheguru...the amount of beadbi of sikhi they do is between us and them...we have no problem with the amount of naam simran they do...but they should know this if they challenge sikhi and attempt to distort it..then we have a major problem..theyre near enough being kept alive by massive handouts from the central government...once the khalsa raj comes their false organistaion will fall away into the history books like every other fake gurudom which came..they are no different from them!!
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[quote name='Cisco_Singh' timestamp='1303163167' post='494442']
Thats a quite harsh and out of context post... Ols School Nihangs also used to do Havans, there is loads of verses in various Sikk Scripture which talks about Devis..Dasam Granth in particular...Chandi Di Vaar etc, There is an important and undeiable link between the martial aspects of Sikhi and the respect for devis (forms of Akaal Purakhs Shakti), Another example is Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Battle Standard held at Hazur Sahib the Asth Bhuja Dhuja.[/quote]

Show us which devi Satguru respected? Satguru respects the shakti of Akal Purakh not the devi that misused the power. The devis are not the shakti, but the forms that got lost in maya by miss using the shakti Akal Purakh gave them. They had the shakti, but that does not mean Satguru respected them. Satguru calls Krishna words which will be hurtful to the ears that respect him.

[quote]They also do tremendous amounts of Naam Simran and mediation, a lot more than I do and probably more than a fair few members here
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This is such a shame the word Naam Simran is being abused. Naam Simran is something that a person gets after following the Satguru. The Naamdaris don't follow the Satguru, they follow dedhari gurus, which are not the Satguru, so all they are doing is rituals. Without the Satguru there is no Naam Simran.
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what baffles me is these low-level daft next level pakhandi baba get taken out yet those who killed Sikhs in 1984 are still alive and laughing at their victims. What is going on? internal feud? money/land/power motives? All i see whats going on in Punjabi politics is petty fights and killings yet those who committed serious crimes against humanity by UN standards are walking around freely in India.

If you want to take out an enemy of Sikhism the prime target should always be those who committed terrorism against the Sikhs (ie Sajjan kumar and the rest of the congressi mob not forgetting any remaining indian army officials who dared to stormed darbar sahib 1984, 1987). These are criminal terrorists who desecrated our holiest of shrines murdered countless innocents.....I dont think I would be wrong to suggest majority of 30 million strong Sikh community wants to see them lot sent to hell and would be praise those brave enough to take then out.
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Any religion relationship friendship cult or organisation built upon manipulation and lies will eventually unravel, as all of the participants although willing to go along can sense deep inside the fact that what they are doing is wrong no matter how brainwashed when they come across something contradictory to their beliefs which challenges their viewpoint it forces their brain to rethink its stance and survival so their belief in God as truth but the cult they follow being a wrong one their self survival switch will go off and then they will think hang on I believe in a scripture that tells me to live the truth yet I am lying to myself the organisation will collapse.

Hence Sikhism cannot be destroyed as long as we have guru ji and correct translations and interpretations and Sikhs who live the ultimate truth there is no guilt and self hate that is why all gursikhs give off an aura you will not find in any other religion

That is why you will get people all of the time attempting to modify or teachings add new teachings or gurus or rediscover something we havent learned about in the Guru Granth Sahib ji which is the ultimate teacher and will always be you will also get people trying to challenge our religion because if we give them an inch they will take a yard so if you want to save the next generation when an <banned word filter activated> says lets debate always remember we have the guru granth sahib which is the ultimate truth for all time

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Even if you take the religious aspect out of it, murdering someone is really bad. I can't believe some people actually support it.
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But I don't think this 57 year old was a threat to anyone. I'm still shocked that people support this killing.
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[quote name='Only five' timestamp='1303186272' post='494468']
This is such a shame the word Naam Simran is being abused. Naam Simran is something that a person gets after following the Satguru. The Naamdaris don't follow the Satguru, they follow dedhari gurus, which are not the Satguru, so all they are doing is rituals. Without the Satguru there is no Naam Simran.
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so by this only an absolute miniscule proportion of humans will get mukti? The 99.99999999999999% are left in churasi lakh joon?

If, and its a big if, only people who get Naam from Satguru, will get mukti, then shouldnt we Sikhs proselytyse and and stand on street corners, town centre's and cold-call on people to tell them to save themselves by coming to Gurmat Marg? Shouldnt we change our attitude about converting non-Sikhs into Sikhs instead of pretending that we are not out for converts? Why are we prepared to save ourselves and let others remain in churasi? Isnt that a sin in itself that will take us away from Satguru?

If that is the case, then we Sikhs are in for some big chhitter from Guru.
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[quote name='chatanga' timestamp='1303924348' post='495323']
so by this only an absolute miniscule proportion of humans will get mukti? The 99.99999999999999% are left in churasi lakh joon?

If, and its a big if, only people who get Naam from Satguru, will get mukti, then shouldnt we Sikhs proselytyse and and stand on street corners, town centre's and cold-call on people to tell them to save themselves by coming to Gurmat Marg? Shouldnt we change our attitude about converting non-Sikhs into Sikhs instead of pretending that we are not out for converts? Why are we prepared to save ourselves and let others remain in churasi? Isnt that a sin in itself that will take us away from Satguru?

If that is the case, then we Sikhs are in for some big chhitter from Guru.
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This is a topic on Naamdhari, so stick to the topic (we had the above conversation before and stop trying to guilt people into your thinking, be straight forward and see where you get). There are many fake people out there trying to get people to follow fake dedhari Gurus, like the Naamdharis. Whether read Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj is not issue. It's if they accept Maharaj as Satguru and they don't. They accept dedhari Guru's as Satguru so there is no Naam Simran in what they do. If they accept a dedhari Guru and Maharaj equally, then again they don't accept Maharaj because no one is equal to Maharaj and are in duality. Where there is duality there is no Naam Simran. Maharaj is the Satguru and they don't follow the Satguru meaning there is no Naam Simran in there practice.

For your questions above i'll start a new thread so this thread is not taken off track.
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[quote name='Only five' timestamp='1303933981' post='495348']
(we had the above conversation before and stop trying to guilt people into your thinking, be straight forward and see where you get).

For your questions above i'll start a new thread so this thread is not taken off track.
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whereas you dont try to make people guilty who dont subscribe to your version of sikhi?


lets see the new thread.
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[quote name='chatanga' timestamp='1304086527' post='495564']
whereas you dont try to make people guilty who dont subscribe to your version of sikhi?


lets see the new thread.
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Please dont tell me your defending naamdhari beliefs??...tha same belief which states that our father sri guru gobind singh ji maharaj ran and hid away in a jungle like a coward..while his khalsa was making the soils of northern india run red with their own blood...i hope your not suggesting sri guru gobind singh ji is a coward?
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