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Many politicians are well educated in punjab. Just getting a degree from college or university doesn't make you a good human being.

"It was in order to keep our people subjected to its domination that colonialism tried to destroy our personality ... A man thus spiritually destroyed became a living corpse, a docile receptacle for the colonisers’ way of thinking, acting and living." Samora Machel, FRELIMO

Sikh pagal hogay let's have another idol to worship

I am looking for Punjabi translation of Chanakya Niti by Kavi Senapati who was one of the trusted Court Poets of Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj. I tried to find it on amazon and jsks.biz but could not find it. Help appreciated.

Apnay are fudhoos who like this type of treatment. Natural pendu slaves.

Oh they wouldn't dare. Only soft targets as usual.

Yes it's a steek..... Meanings with original text

I hope they have the original text too! (One of them anyway!)

Only 1.2% ? How many of them really Khalsa Sikhs, how many gora modern 'Sikhs' and how many Pro-Indian Sikhs.

Not far-fetched at all. But i dont think in this case it was orchestrated. She said plenty conversational things before. Her dad calls us 'fundamentalists extremists' justified the 84 genocide. So what comes out of her shouldn't be shocking. Beahdbi happens all the time in Gurudwares so really nothing (as terrible as it sounds) to be 'shocked' at the kissing. Guarantee if this was jew or muslims esp jews since she writes columns and they running the media would have been shown the door time ago. Best i think with these provocative whether her, dad and likewise the enemy's of the kaum is to ignore. They want a reaction so can scream 'Khalistani terrorists' and fundamentals and gora and hinduvastas can wet their pants when they hear that. The far-right party of Canada they been calling Jagmeet terrorists Sikh separatist and so on

The 'modern' Sikhs must be here too?

house! I got a down tick

Hari Singh randhawe wale steek is the best. Jagjit Singh harkhowal steek is the poorest. Surjit Singh sewapanthi steek is good.

https://sikhbookclub.com/Book/Panch-Granthavali-Sateek-(-Chanakya-Neeti,-Saruktavali,-Bavarsanmrit,-Vichar-Mala,-Adeyatam-Prakash)-Veyakheya-Sahit-By-Hari-Singh-'-Randhawee-Vale'

https://sikhbookclub.com/Book/Chanakya-Rajneeti-Atey-Hor-Jeevan-Jugtaan

https://hook2book.com/chankya-rajneeti-steek-sampardai-by-surjit-singh-sewa-panthi-punjabi-stories-book-online

It has been published. By jagjit Singh harkhowal By surjit Singh sewapanthi By hari Singh randhawe wale about which I have posted in my above post

I don't know if this has ever been published?

Hari Singh randhawe wale has written a steek for 5 Granths which includes kavi senapati chanakya niti. Go to gurmatveechar.com Click on steeks and teekas Click on sant hari Singh randhawe wale Download panch granthawali

I have a little theory in my mind,quite far fetched but not improbable. Could this whole thing been orchestrated? Look at the timing. right before an election. Look at who's making the most noise, the politicians daughter. Try to investigate if the bride or groom have any connections to the politician & daughter. Look at the kiss. Not really a wedding kiss. More of a peck on the lips. Right at the moment the camera was directed at them. A very hesitant kiss as if they were uncomfortable doing it but decided to take one for the team and go ahead. Politicians knew the community would react as usual on social media and takes a very liberal stand. Signalling to their constitutients that they represent Canadian values unlike these 'fundamentalists' backwards people. Whites will react very positively as it resonates with their culture and the 'modern' non practicing Sikhs in the community would come out rejoicing as it's their dream come true. Politicians daughter goes guns blazing on social media and his campaign gets free publicity and liberal votes.The end.

he was hardcore defender of Yogi Bhajan and claimed that the ladies who gave evidence against YB in court about his abuses and later the lady who wrote the book were liars or trying to blackmail him . Pretty low behaviour . All the white 3HO core had amrit in 1970 under orders of YB to do with his visit to India to showcase his 'conversions'

Wonderful topic! Sikhs shud hv good understanding of geo politics. World is getting multi polar world......

Not a gang, but has relevance to this thread https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-58585788 Swansea man jailed after CCTV operator witnessed rape Published 1 hour ago Share IMAGE SOURCE,SOUTH WALES POLICE image captionTurkey Al-Turkey was told he would likely be deported after serving his prison sentence A man has been jailed for more than eight years after a CCTV operator saw him raping a woman. Turkey Al-Turkey, 26, of Cwm Level Road in Brynhyfryd, Swansea, attacked the woman outside the city's Civic Centre on 18 July. Swansea Crown Court heard the victim had no recollection of the incident and a date rape drug may have been used. Al-Turkey, an asylum seeker from Iraq, was sentenced to eight years and eight months after pleading guilty to rape. The court heard Al-Turkey had been drinking limoncello and vodka with his victim on Swansea's promenade on the night of the attack. The CCTV operator said he had seen the victim was intoxicated and unable to stand by herself, before he saw the attack take place as she lay motionless. He used the council's loading bay public address system to shout: "Get off her. She's drunk. I'm calling the police." Officers arrived at 01:40 BST and were not able to rouse the victim. Al-Turkey told officers she was asleep. image captionAl-Turkey was sentenced at Swansea Crown Court At the police station, she told officers she had no recollection of the events, but was told what the CCTV operator had witnessed after that interview. Carina Hughes, prosecuting, told the court drugs had not been found in the victim's urine, but some substances, such as Gamma Hydroxybutyrate (GHB) are eliminated from the body more quickly, and their presence could not be excluded. "Due to to her level of unconsciousness on CCTV, the prosecution felt it went over and above what we expected and anticipated from intoxication," she said. An alcohol sample measured 62mg of alcohol per 100ml of the victim's blood. Rape 'killed the carefree version of myself' A victim impact statement from the woman, who cannot be identified, was read out in court. It said: "What's happened to me cannot be erased and will remain with me for the rest of my life. "He has killed the spontaneous, joyful, carefree version of myself and only time will tell whether these traits return in full. "The only positive element all of this is that he has been caught and is now going to be dealt with so that he cannot hurt anyone else." Another statement, from the CCTV operator, said he was struggling and kept replaying events in his mind. Ms Hughes said it was "extremely rare" for attacks like this to be captured on CCTV or witnessed. Judge Paul Thomas told Al-Turkey he had "serious misgivings" about whether the victim's condition was due to alcohol alone. "She made it perfectly clear to you that she did not want a sexual relationship that evening but you plied her with drink so she became less and less able to stand or even to move unaided" he said. "You took full advantage of the situation, putting your own sexual needs before any consideration of the impact upon her." Al-Turkey was sentenced to eight years and eight months in prison and will be on the sex offenders' register for the rest of his life. Due to his early guilty plea he will be eligible for release after six years. The court was told Al-Turkey presented himself to the asylum unit in Croydon on the 19 November 2018 when he claimed to have just arrived in the United Kingdom. Mr Thomas added: "Importantly I fully expect that you will be deported from this country immediately upon your release." Related Topics

Anyone with any thoughts on what this means ? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-58582573 Aukus: China denounces US-UK-Australia pact as irresponsible Published 1 hour ago Share media captionWatch: Australia’s ‘risky bet’ to side with US over China China has criticised a historic security pact between the US, UK and Australia, describing it as "extremely irresponsible" and "narrow minded". The deal will see the US and UK give Australia the technology to build nuclear-powered submarines for the first time. It is being widely viewed as an effort to counter China's influence in the contested South China Sea. The region has been a flashpoint for years and tensions there remain high. Chinese Foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said the alliance risked "severely damaging regional peace... and intensifying the arms race". He criticised what he called "the obsolete cold war... mentality" and warned the three countries were "hurting their own interests". Chinese state media carried similar editorials denouncing the pact, and one in the Global Times newspaper said Australia had now "turned itself into an adversary of China". ANALYSIS: Why this pact signals a major shift EXPLAINED: Tensions in the South China Sea The US is sharing its submarine technology for the first time in 50 years, having previously only shared it with the UK. It means Australia will now be able to build nuclear-powered submarines that are faster and harder to detect than conventionally powered fleets. They can stay submerged for months and shoot missiles longer distances - although Australia says it has no intention of putting nuclear weapons on them. The new partnership, under the name Aukus, was announced in a joint virtual press conference between US President Joe Biden, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his Australian counterpart Scott Morrison on Wednesday evening and Thursday morning. And while China was not mentioned directly, the three leaders referred repeatedly to regional security concerns which they said had "grown significantly". "This is an historic opportunity for the three nations, with like-minded allies and partners, to protect shared values and promote security and prosperity in the Indo-Pacific region," a joint statement read. The Aukus alliance is probably the most significant security arrangement between the three nations since World War Two, analysts say. It means Australia will become just the seventh nation in the world to operate nuclear-powered submarines. While they are the big-ticket item in the deal, cyber capabilities and other undersea technologies will also be shared. "This really shows that all three nations are drawing a line in the sand to start and counter [China's] aggressive moves," said Guy Boekenstein from the Asia Society Australia. Boris Johnson later said the pact would "preserve security and stability around the world" and generate "hundreds of high-skilled jobs". UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace told the BBC that China was "embarking on one of the biggest military spends in history... Our partners in those regions want to be able to stand their own ground." media captionWhy is everyone fighting over the South China Sea? In recent years, Beijing has been accused of raising tensions in disputed territories such as the South China Sea. It has been increasingly assertive over what it says are centuries-old rights to the contested region, and has been rapidly building up its military presence to back up those claims. The US has bolstered its military presence too, and has been investing heavily in other partnerships in the region such as with Japan and South Korea. Having the submarines stationed in Australia is critical to US influence in the region, analysts say. Tensions between China and Australia China is Australia's biggest trading partner, and in the past, the two have maintained good relations. But in recent years, political tensions have created a deep rift, stoked by Australia criticising China's treatment of ethnic Uighurs, banning some technology from telecom giant Huawei and supporting an investigation into the origins of the coronavirus pandemic. Western nations have also been wary of China's booming infrastructure investment on Pacific islands, and have criticised its heavy trade sanctions against countries like Australia - last year it slapped Australian wine with taxes of up to 200%. 'A stab in the back' But France has also reacted angrily to the new pact, because it means Australia will now abandon a $50bn (€31bn; £27bn) deal with it to build 12 submarines. "It's really a stab in the back," France's Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian told France Info radio. "We had established a relationship of trust with Australia, this trust has been betrayed." The European Union's foreign policy chief, Josep Borrell said he understood why France was disappointed by the deal, adding that the EU was not consulted about the new alliance. "This forces us once again... to reflect on the need to make the issue of European strategic autonomy a priority. This shows that we must survive on our own," he said on Thursday.

There's a 'The Age of Kalyug Thread' which it might be better posting there

They must be ..and ppl still deny they are not controlling SGPC What is their budget ..close to 100 million usd right Honestly hope our rats in the kaum get their karma not in this life but next.. hate that capt aloo badals all of them.. Some are getting so caught up that a leader like Lakha, Deepa Bhagwant maan will change Panjab but they have no control they'll either be killed off and so much damage has been done. Waheguru Mehar Kare

Charities are also tax exempt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vic_Briggs Following initial influences through attending a seminar by Baba Ram Das (the former Richard Alpert),[21] in January 1970 Briggs attended a Los Angeles yoga class instructed by Yogi Bhajan. Followers of Yogi Bhajan included singer Johnny Rivers. Briggs was profoundly influenced by the experience, and followed Yogi Bhajan for twenty years thereafter.[1] In retrospect, Briggs regarded his time with Yogi Bhajan as having been cult-like in nature.[28] Briggs commenced studying Kundalini yoga and Nāda yoga, as well as Sikh sacred music.[18] At the request of Yogi Bhajan, Briggs returned to England in December 1970, to open a yoga studio and to teach Kundalini yoga[29] This was the first studio of Kundalini yoga in England.[18] During this period, Briggs developed further interest in Sikh religious music, and in the Sikh religion, spending much time with members of the Sikh community in London.[29] Briggs was particularly attracted to the use of the harmonium in Sikh religious music, and commenced learning how to play it.[1][30] Members of the Sikh community in London began to refer to Briggs as Vikram Singh, and were impressed with Briggs' ability to sing and play Sikh sacred music. In 1971, Briggs was formally baptized as a Sikh[29][31] and chose the name Vikram,[31] to which was added Singh Khalsa.[1] Briggs was thereafter invited to perform at various Sikh temples throughout England.[29] Also during this period, Briggs met and later married actress Kirsten Lindholm, who also converted to Sikhism. At the request of Yogi Bhajan, Briggs returned to southern California from England, in the early 1970s. Briggs attended the Ali Akbar College of Music in Marin County. In 1977, Yogi Bhajan appointed Briggs and his wife as co-directors of the Guru Ram Das Ashram, in San Diego.[29] They continued in that capacity until 1990,[18] when they left Yogi Bhajan. The involvement in the Sikh community of Briggs and his wife continued to grow; Briggs became one of the founding members of the Sikh temple in San Diego.[29] Briggs and his wife left Yogi Bhajan based on a dispute over whether the equity in the temple should belong to the local membership or to the central leadership.[31] During this period, Briggs also had a plumbing business in San Diego.[10] In 1979, Briggs performed Sikh religious music throughout northern India[29] and was the first non-Indian to perform kirtan at Harimandir Sahib (also called the Golden Temple of Amritsar), which was a very powerful religious moment for him.[1] Briggs subsequently recorded several albums of Indian music. with a particular focus on the Gurbani kirtan, being representations of hymns from Sikh scriptures generally set to ragas.[1] Briggs kept a degree of distance from Sikh social settings: "Sikhi spoke to my soul. Gurbani still speaks to my soul. I just prefer not to be involved much with Sikhs, Indian or American, because of the political considerations that are always present."[31] The name Antion, which Briggs adopted as a stage name, came to Briggs following his observation of a solar eclipse above the ocean, from a beach at Del Mar, in 1992.[1] In 1993,[18] Briggs and his family relocated to the Hawaiian island of Kauai.[32][33] While in Hawaii, Briggs had a radio show for a period of time.[1][34] During an earlier stopover in Hawaii, Briggs heard and developed an interest in the music of the Brothers Cazimero.[32] Following his move to Hawaii, Briggs developed an interest in and commenced performing Hawaiian chant music,[32] following study under Blaine Kia.[1] In 2003, Briggs provided an invited review of Sick of Being Me, a novel by Sean Egan, a novelist and journalist with a number of publications in relation to the music industry. The novel concerned the challenges to a struggling musician in the 1990s.[35] In 2008, Briggs and his family relocated to New Zealand, the country of his wife's early years, where Briggs, known as Antion Meredith,[18] and his wife of over forty years, known as Elandra Kirsten Meredith, became yoga instructors.[36][1] He died from cancer in 2021.[37] https://www.goldminemag.com/columns/fabulous-flip-sides-in-memoriam-the-animals-vic-briggs Anton Vikram Singh Meredith, photo courtesy of Pritam Potts

I think most of the world has the same issues. A lot of charity in the 'West' is a 'con' if you realise that a lot of the money goes towards the charity workers and bosses. So, 'Westerners' are 'fooled' just as easily you could say

From what I know, it's the govt. of india which decides when sgpc elections are held.

Happens all the time even now! Collecting daswand to help 84 victims, to fight cases they raise a heck of money and boom they disappear and you never hear from them again

Unfortunately outside India we've had plenty of 'daswand' collected to help 84 victims over the years in the West. Few years ago there was 'Sikh' organisation which collected well over 6 figs close to 200k to fight cases for those in jail and bring justice no idea where they went or what happen to the money. Our kaum is infested with rats and deceivers sadly.

Are they under the Indian government?

Plz listen at 9:00 sec Some people using kisan andolan to fool nri Sikhs.

"Have you seen the Mona Lisa?" "Which one?" "The bhund one." "Oh, no." lol!!!!

i have been searching for this too for 2 days but couldnt find anywhere . i guess you should try the offline market or ask a Giani ji who you think has good collection of books .

The only gianis I've met who seem genuinely intelligent are taksaali ones. The others seem like they were compelled into being a giani due to unfortunate circumstances and have resigned themselves to it.

You know, to be honest, the average grown up pendu's vocabulary range is like a 8 year old's is here (in English). I've tested a few pendus, they have an equivalent vocabulary range lower than the dumbest english bloke here. They might be chust and chalaak and all that, but their Panjabi language skills are very basic and unsophisticated. Very few of the mfs read regularly. There is a link between being able to feel, articulate and express yourself and the range of vocab you have to articulate that. If pendus vocab range is so low, maybe that would explain why they seem like the below image? It's not hard for someone of average intelligence to get a better vocab than an average pendu. Pendus seem to have very basic convos with each other.

Because partly the assumption is that the Giani cannot speak English and the Western youth Sikhs' Punjabi is not up to scratch. Also, I think there is a lot of bluffology that goes in our culture in that we are hesitant to ask questions because the perception is that you should implicitly know things. One of things I realise about our culture is that we never like to say "I don't know"

Why they feel so?

Bhai Jagraj Singh is from India and spent large part of his formative years there. He came to the UK when he was like 12. He tapped into a gap and understood the Western Sikh mindset and broke bani down to bite size chunks. If you look at his online youtube it looks like how Western kids revise for exams. He made himself approachable whereas Western youth Sikhs feel daunted to ask a Giani because a lot of them feel Gianis are unapproachable. However, a lot of Gianis and Parcharaks are now well versed in English and are a lot more approachable than people realise.

That's good. But even if a western Sikh's vocabulary is weaker than Punjabi sikh, that shudnt be an issue. I m born in Punjab but when I read gurbani, there are large number of words I don't understand. If a western sikh does lots of gurbani paatth and memorizes the meanings of tough words, he will have better understanding of gurbani than Punjabi sikh.

I think another reason is the example of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. (I am sure some of you are familiar with) When you reach a certain level of material comfort you feel sometimes you need to give back. You reach a point where you feel that life needs some purpose and you feel something is spiritually missing. In the 3rd world you have a problem with scarcity, in the west we have a problem with abundance.

How come Bhai jagraj Singh of basics of sikhi didn't feel culturally inferior? He single handedly did so much parchar and prepared young western born parcharaks who are still doing great sewa. I feel if western Sikhs keep rehit and do bhagti they won't feel inferior to Punjabi Sikhs. A Waheguru's devotee doesn't feel inferior or dependent on anyone.

Materialism yes.

I would imagine a lot of developing countries actually share a similar mentality. I would not be surprised if this type of mentality is (and I have seen examples of it also) common in Africa, other parts of Asia and Latin America

Yes, the Indian Sikhs have lost their religious superiority in past 2-3 generations. It's a lot to do with modernisation/wanting to be more 'western', whereas we living in western countries are used to it all, and can take it or leave it. What I think that has happened is that modernisation has revealed the true nature. Us barrh waleh are more exposed to it now. India is very much about keeping up appearances, one-upmanship and boasting and showing off. This applies a lot of western India communities in UK/Canada/USA also it seems They like to live in their self-deception. I no longer have time for this type of behaviour

@dallysingh101You seem to love posting these bhangra gifs every chance you get! My parents I don't think were even aware of bhangra growing up, and they came to UK when they were in adolescence or after; anyone know how bhangra 'grew' in recent generations ? I think it was UK-based bands in 80's because Punjabi music is more than bhangra I agree though, that in Punjab, people are not very honest and exaggerate and half-truths are way of life. Does this corruption stem from the tough times living under the corrupt Mughals and then the British ? Was this necessary for self-preservation going back to those times living under foreign rulers? @Ranjeet01 Yes, the Indian Sikhs have lost their religious superiority in past 2-3 generations. It's a lot to do with modernisation/wanting to be more 'western', whereas we living in western countries are used to it all, and can take it or leave it. India is very much about keeping up appearances, one-upmanship and boasting and showing off. This applies a lot of western India communities in UK/Canada/USA also it seems