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  1. He should be challenged , to come on air voice his point and on the other side the scholars / organisations who have factual information to challenge him. We probably know the outcome ( he wont turn up )
  2. Question - how do you know the people behind the posts are Sikh ? One can easily on social media get images , setup sikh names , and post stuff which is anti sikh to cause a stir / controversy. I think they should be ignored , don't give them the lime light , let them do whatever they do behind closed doors ...
  3. I cant believe I am reading this thread , so much hatred , racist comments …. Are you sure you are a Sikh ? Sikhs and Hindus are not being told to be friendly with Muslims. ( if "someone" said to you go make friends with Drug dealers and rapists , would you ? Who was Bhai Mardana ? Who was Pir Buddu shah ? No one is pretending anything happened , everything is written down in history. The British Raj when they ruled India for almost 200 years , killed innocent , damaged the economy of India which in those times , India had 27% GDP of the whole world , was the leader of exporting cotton goods , made ships etc... ( If it wasn't for the British back in those times , India would have been a serious power to contend with .Are you going to say , don't make friends with the British people) You may have experienced some bad relationships with particular people , but you cannot tarnish everyone with the same brush. There are good and bad people in every society. Sikhs are not disgraceful , more damaging are those RSS so called Sikhs , who pretend to be Sikhs , look like Sikhs , act like Sikhs but are damaging Sikhi from within by false parchaar , changing literature. Look at India today , Where Sikhs from Hazoor Sahib came to Punjab and are being blamed to have spread COVID-19, all over the India media to belittle Sikhs. To earn respect one must act respectfully.
  4. Why don't you ask your parents , who can take the burden away from you and find a suitable girl based on your requirements. (Arranged marriage) They will do the ground work , to find a suitable partner , from a good family background , etc..etc.. Then the rest is up to you ? It works both ways , you have to be good yourself as well . Marriage is about compromise , sharing , caring , learning to back off in awkward situations, biting your tongue , love will then develop over time . Having a girlfriend for x amount of years is different than marriage. You only know the true qualities of a person once living together in the same house 24x7. But if ones character is not selfish , it will be your actions that bonds you together for life.
  5. I think the documentary was good . It did not do justice to the interfaith marriage , just showed one view but did not actually explain what Anand Kharaj is and why Sikhs oppose interfaith marriage if the other party do not believe in maharaj jis values. I think that part of the footage portrayed Sikhs as thugs. Bhai Jagraj Singh summed it up well , "where do we get our sikhi from" , how qualified are we to comment on sikhi. ( which made me think , how much Sikhi do I know and follow …….very little ) The Singhs who covered their faces , why ? They should have explained what Maharaj Ji is telling the sangat , rather than covering up faces , trying to hide something. Be proud and truthful so one can stand anywhere in the world without covering up because one is speaking and acting truthfully. From the documentary I think Sunny is realizing what Sikhi is and the message Jagraj Singh has been preaching . Which is a good thing . The message about sikhi camps I think was true , where the sangat get more from Sikhi Camps than the Gurudawara in terms of spirituality, dialogue , information easy to understand etc.. This I think we need to learn upon and bring into the Gurudawaras more. I think documentaries around Sikhi should be positive , encouraging and motivating because Sikhi is that and much more . Issues that effect the Sangat which relate to Sikhi such as Anand Kharaj , should show both views and not snippits and I guarantee you the Gurus message will come on top all the time. The beautiful message of Sukhmani Kaur when Sunny was saying he doesn't feel anything relating to Sikhi , she replied its because you need to experience it and not just read it for knowledge.
  6. Vaheguru ji ka Khalsa Vaheguru ji ki fateh There is a vaja class at Guru Nanak Gurudawara Smethwick High Street every Monday start at 6pm for beginners and advanced class at 7pm.
  7. LOL , sorry bad timing for the post bro , slightly off topic .. I agree with your comments , was just ranting on about how we can protect amrtidhari and sikhi as if someone dressed up in bana , has kesh , kirpan and commits crimes ( just some thoughts ..thanks
  8. Very Sad news , deepest condolences to their families may their souls rest in peace . I think we need a national / international database registering all amritdhari baptized Sikhs , detailing , when they took Amrit , there address when baptized etc... , and issue each with ID cards. So that sikhi is not targeted , hope i'm very wrong but the way kaljug is spreading in this world , whats stopping a dushman of sikhi , dressing up as a baptized sikh and misusing the articles of faith , especially the kirpan.
  9. Read Bhai Sahib Dr Vir Singhs Sri Guru Nanak Chamatkar , translated into English by M L Mongia .( I think its on this forum) may help your understanding. My view is that the Gurus were here on earth due to atrocities from rulers crossed all limits. People were lost , to restore love , compassion back into society the first Guru, Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj , preached this in such a way that all that met Guru nanak Dev Ji fell at his feet and changed for the better.( stores such as cattle grazing, cobra protecting Guru maharaj from the suns rays , seeing mecca all directions to explain that good is everywhere etc..) Bhai Sahib Dr Vir Singh writes, The Gurus love for the lord was much more than , one who loves their children, the husband loves the wife, greedy love money ...was way way much more that we cannot even contemplate it but they all lived under the almighties hukam. Their purpose was to wake up the sangat , distill back love, compassion, so all could live along together, change peoples mindset. The Gurus were 100% above normal human beings without a doubt.
  10. LOL !! I am not trying to protect anyone , again you make false judgement very dangerous thing to do , very anti Sikhi . Just focus on putting your views across on the topic and don't get personal. The initial post was about banning NKJ and Ranjit Singh from doing Katha in all UK Gurudawaras. If NKJ has sexually abused a minor then that's a civil case and as already mentioned the Victim should seek professional advice and get justice. I am just outing across my opinion about having a process in place re banning( Read the thread again ) . Anyway just going round in circles, enough said. Thanks
  11. Indeed I am 100% lost , and yes I agree by your comment Gurbani says follow the Guru. ( sorry should have substituted to sangat who go to their Diwans) Really !!!! If that is the case , then why have the victims not prosecuted NKJ , or is there a case filed against them at present . I agree totally wrong . I understand if the abuse is of sexual nature it is very hard for the victim to speak up and prosecute the abuser , but this thread is about banning of NKJ due to their incorrect preaching of Guru Nanak Dev Ji maharaj , is it not ? Why is this pathetic? If one backs down , accepts their fault and is willing to change/seek guidance isn't that a step in the right direction . But rather ego is playing a big role , such that its a tu tu meh meh game , the accusers say something , then they retaliate say something back ……... To make a change or difference one party needs to back down and admit their fault and then necessary actions taken against them. This is my whole point , I know nothing about you , and you know nothing about me , with a few words on a forum you have become qualified in making judgement , which is very dangerous thing , and anti sikhi . A proper process in which we make decisions around banning should be implemented , with both parties present and neutral bodies adjudicating , so no one else represents them or speaks on their behalf and in the hazoori of Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj. This is relating to any Katha they have done which is misleading the Sangat / preaching Sikhi which is wrong or any act which they have done wrong in the presence of Guru Granth Sahib Ji maharaj . If they lock lips / or do sexual activity with individuals then its the individuals who need to take further action and prosecute them and make sure they do not do it again .As already mentioned this is easily said then done due to the mental bashing sexual abuse puts on the victim its hard for them to stand up. But for this there are already processes in place , i.e. get solicitor , file a case , collect evidence , go to court , etc... Re this thread we need a process , which vets the katha vachaks , checks their qualifications , gives them appropriate sentences based on their actions etc.. etc... The point I am trying to make ( wheter right/wrong) but my view is we need a process in place for Katha Vahchaks , a process for banning those who are damaging Sikhi , where do we draw the line .., what about 1. Those who fight in Gurudawaras ( many videos have gone viral ) … should they be banned 2. Those who use Gurudawara premises for parties where meat and alcohol are server … should they be banned 3. Those who abuse Gurudawaras funds .. should they be banned At least there is a process in place now for Anand Karaj . I don't think you have understood my point , this thread is about incorrect katha and banning them based on that , the point I am trying to make is we need proper process in place as mentioned above. I don't disagree with you regarding Sexual abuse cases , which is worse for the victim , mentally and those vile people who do such things should be exposed , banned and punished.
  12. Dhanvaad Ji , thank you for your kind words LOL , , let me re-iterate my opinion again (the point I am trying to portray is the banning aspect , and how we can do things better. We Sikhs are very good at bashing people on the head make judgement very quickly , without thinking about the consequences of our actions . If you really want to know about my background ( I don't know why , me I;m a nobody and its not that important but briefly ...) , I have listened to Ranjit Singh Katha a long time back when he came to the UK , I thought he was good , simple to understand , now and again I listen to his katha , and Kanshi TV also broadcast his kathas where I listen to now and again , NKJ I have been to their diwaans at GNG Smethwick a while back , again I thought he was good , simple to understand. I also listen to Bhai Pinderpal Singh who is very good but don't fully understand some of this "big ' Words. Also listen to Basics of Sikhi again very good , and Sarbjit Singh Rajoana TV again very good and informative..( i'll stop there). It hurts to see Sikhs fighting Sikhs , I am trying to learn daily our Gurus message ,and at preent reading Bhai Vir Singhs Guru Nanak Dev Ji Chamatkaar is superb . I am not perfect , commit sins daily , but hoping one day as we all do Guru maharaj does kirpa. Trying to get my kids on this path , when they ask why they banning Sikhs , why are Sikhs fighting Sikhs ,,, what message do we tell them ..Its a big task to unite , but we can at least try ...Guru Nanak Dev Ji our role model , we need to take a leaf out of his book , I know a very very big up hill task , but at least we can try .. Heres my view :- 1. What NKJ said was 100% wrong . If they have been doing katha for a long time the simple answer would be , "sorry sangat ji , for any offense caused and nothing like this will happen in the future ". 2. The Ego has kicked in by all parties , no one wants to back down and accept their mistakes , rather theres a lot of 'tu tu meh meh " going on which is adding more fuel to the fire. As Dr Vir singh writes " Ego manifests in us as 'I am' or 'me' as a pride and forms a veil between the Lord and us. It shapes the mind to look outwardly as 'I' and 'mine'. When we feel proud it is the ego at work inside us and we feel proud and ravish the 'I' and 'me'. When the ego gets a beating it comes out as anager,sulkiness,jealousy and envy. Ego is like an illness which can go by loving the Lord by remembering him , singing his hymns and reciting his name" 3. Who should they have dialogue with ? I think sangat who have gian , scholars , singhs/Singhni who have tact on how to explain in such a manner that not to cause arguments but to change ones mindset ( that is what we are all aiming for ). 4. They have a lot of followers , have we ever thought they could be gems in the sangat who have joined sikhi because of them and this could break their beliefs , not just turning against them but they abandon Sikhi altogether. 5. If they do not want to have dialogue , do we carry on spreading rumours where some are true and others not . Obviously they have a big influence on the sangat , are we breaking sikhi causing a rift , creating separate pockets of sikhi …. do we not want ekta? 6. Basics of Sikhi run a 6 month training course for anyone who wants to become a katha Vachak , should we not setup a structure stating :- 1. What qualification's does the katha vachak have ? What source in terms of literature have they read ? Have a definitive list that has been vetted , so that all can read . The same material used by all Katha Vaachaks , you wont be able to stop some adding their own twist to it , that's fine but as long as they don't change the meaning.. 2. Rules and regulations for katha vachaks i.e. not going off topic not saying anything controversal , vetting what they will be presenting etc.. 3. Rewarding good katha vaachaks who have good influence on the sangat etc.. etc.. So rather than a mere ban , all Katha Vachaks , scholars , sangat sit around a table and have discussions as how to move forward ( I know our Gurus have setup this structure for us , we have the guidance we just need to come together and act upon it , with love , compassion , sincerity…and have proper leaders , but again saying that each one of us who believe in the 10 Gurus and Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj , can make this change There have been many cases , videos that have gone viral where fights in Gurudawara … have the instigators of these fights been banned ? There are Gurudwaras still today who use their halls to allow sangat to serve meat and alcohol.. have they been banned ? just some views , hopefully I have not offended anyone.
  13. what on earth are you on about . you have lost the plot .. leave it there ..if nothing further to post .. dhanvaad ji
  14. Like wise bro you need to go back to humble land …. might learn something there
  15. I'm awake bro , now and again have a good sleep , just had one now … time for roti .. But then does that justify us to be "asleep" if the justice system is not what it is ? or do we keep knocking at their door regardless. "Because in England we have a law system that is pro-pedophilia." I doubt that very much , you think the families would just sit their doing nothing because the law system is against them , I don't think so. Its not just grooming that's covered up , many other things are which we the public are not aware of and is hidden under the covers i.e. drugs, politics, businesses , back handers etc... etc... Going off topic here , but the point i'm making before banning a person from the Gurudawaras , we need to think twice from a sikhi perspective , and act accordingly based on Gurmat principles. Guru nanak Dev ji Maharaj converted the enemies , I know we are no way near the caliber of Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj , but respecting them as our role models we can learn from them .
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