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  1. 6 hours ago, proactive said:

    The resettlement depended on what background the migrants were. If they were colonialist from the canal colonies of Lyallpur, Sargodha or Montgomery then they were resettled in their own home districts from which they had gone from to the canal colonies a few decades earlier. If the allotment of land abandoned by Muslims in their village was not enough then they would be allotted land as close as possible to their village. 

    For non-colonialists, that is those who had lost their ancestral lands in west Punjab, they were resettled in east Punjab and PEPSU depending on which district they came from in Pakistan. For landholders from Lahore district which was a part of Majha there was no enough agricultural land abandoned by Muslims in Amritsar district to replace the land lost in Lahore, so they were resettled in Ferozepur district. Even the colonialists who had gone to the canal colonies from Amritsar originally, even their losses could not be compensated in Amritsar such as the lack of land abandoned by Muslims, they were resettled in Ferozpur, Hoshiarpur and Jalandhar. Landholders from Gujranwala and Sheikhupura were resettled in Karnal and PEPSU (Patiala and East Punjab States Union) . From Shahpur and Gujrat went to Ambala. From Multan to Hissar. Jhang and Mianwali to Rohtak. Dera Ghazi Khan and Mianwali to Gurgaon. From Sialkot to Gurdaspur and Hoshiarpur. 

    The compensation that these landholders received was restricted because they lost 6.7 million acres and there were only 4.7 million available. So graded cuts were made. If someone lost up to 10 acres they got 75% compensation, if between 10-30 acres they got 70%, 40 - 60 acres got 60%. All the way up to those who lost 500-1000 acres they only got 5-10% compensation. So if someone lost 10 acres they got 7.5 acres as compensation but if they lost 1000 acres they only got a maximum of 127 acres. 



    Is there any truth to what @SikhKoshhas said regarding the resettlement of Sikhs outside of core Panjab, what you think?



  2. On 1/4/2022 at 10:33 AM, 5aaban said:

    I heard Fatehgarh Sahib also falls into Puadh region. 


    Puadh generally lies between the Sutlej and Ghaggar-Hakra rivers and south, south-east and east of Rupnagar district adjacent to Ambala district (in Haryana).[2]


    In Punjab:

  3. 3 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

    Dallysingh veerji

    Proactive veerji

    MisterrSingh veerji

    Premi veerji

    Can you plz tell how do we get to know how much bhagti a person has?

    If this is a rhetorical question, I think the answer is a true bhagat does not tell anyone, they keep it gupt. 

    Sometimes when we see or meet someone who has avastha, we get a sense of that. 

    But other times, we don't have a clue. I understand this was the case with Sant Baba Hansali wale at times (deliberately ?) as they often changed the way they appeared to people/sangat

    Only someone with high avastha/bhagti can recognise another one (from my understanding). 'Takes one to know one'

  4. Seen this on Akaal Channel just now, passengers outraged, feel they are being scammed by the Airport


    125 Passengers Of Chartered Flight From Italy Test Positive In Amritsar

    India today reported over 90,000 new cases -- a steep 65 per cent jump - with a surge in Omicron cases.

    All IndiaReported by Mohammed GhazaliUpdated: January 06, 2022 4:34 pm IST

    New Delhi: 

    As many as 125 passengers of a flight from Italy tested positive after landing in Punjab's Amritsar this afternoon.

    There were 179 passengers, including 19 children, on the chartered flight from Milan that arrived in Amritsar around 1.30 pm. The flight made a technical halt at Tbilisi (Georgia), according to officials. It was reportedly operated by EuroAtlantic Airways, a Portuguese company. 

    All adult passengers were tested on arrival as Italy is one of the high risk countries for Omicron, according to the Union Health Ministry.


    The country today reported over 90,000 new cases -- a steep 65 per cent jump - with a surge in Omicron cases. Punjab has reported two Omicron cases so far.

    Chaotic visuals from the Amritsar airport showed a large number of passengers waiting to leave and policemen trying to control the crowd. Many of the passengers questioned why they tested positive after Covid negative results in Italy.

    The passengers who are Covid positive will be sent to institutional quarantine.

    There has been a huge spurt in Covid cases across the country.


  5. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-59871726

    Bachelor uses billboards to find a wife

    1 day ago
    A bill board with an image of Muhammad Malik with the caption 'Save me from an arranged marriage'IMAGE SOURCE,MUHAMMAD MALIK
    Image caption,
    Muhammad Malik's friends helped him create the adverts to find a wife

    A bachelor is using huge billboards with tongue-in-cheek messages in his quest for a wife.

    Muhammad Malik, 29, is alerting prospective partners to his availability with ads in London and Birmingham.

    They read: "Save me from an arranged marriage."

    He said he was not against the concept but would prefer to try to "find someone on my own first".

    But so far the search has proven fruitless for the London-based bank consultant who hopes a specially set-up website - findmalikawife.com - will change his luck.

    Since putting up the adverts on Saturday, Mr Malik says he has had hundreds of messages expressing interest.

    "I haven't had the time to look through yet," he said. "I need to set some time aside - I hadn't thought this part throug

  6. 10 hours ago, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

    most sikhs here in doaba are from lehnda punjab and many from the himachals (pahari raje and sipahis) , something to do with that perhaps? 

    I highly doubt most doaba Sikhs are  from Lehnda Panjab. I would doubt it's anything more than 10-15%. 

    I think many of the Lehnda Sikhs were settled in what is now Haryana

    @proactive is knowledgable on this



    India PM Narendra Modi trapped on Punjab flyover in security breach

    2 hours ago

    Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi was trapped on a flyover for 20 minutes by protesters in Punjab in what is being reported as a serious security lapse.

    They were demanding the resignation of a cabinet minister whose son has been accused over the deaths of farmers.

    "This was a major lapse in the security of the PM," a statement from the federal home ministry said.

    Punjab Chief Minister Charanjit Singh Channi said there had been no security lapse on the part of his government.

    "We had asked them [Prime Minister's office] to discontinue the visit due to bad weather and protests. We had no information of [the] sudden change in route. There was no security lapse during the PM's visit," Mr Channi told the media on Wednesday.

    Mr Modi arrived at Bhatinda airport on Wednesday morning, and was supposed to fly to the National Martyrs' Memorial and later to the rally in a helicopter.

    But the trip was delayed by bad weather, and the convoy finally went by road when visibility did not improve. It got stuck some 30km (18 miles) from the memorial.

    Mr Modi was also scheduled to address a rally in the city of Ferozepur, ahead of state elections. But the home ministry said the prime minister's convoy returned to the airport due to the security lapse.

    "I express regret that PM Modi had to return during his visit to Ferozepur. We respect our prime minister," Mr Channi said.

    The home ministry said it has sought a detailed report from Punjab government on the "serious security lapse".

    "As per procedure, they have to make necessary arrangements for logistics, security as well as keep a contingency plan ready," it said.

    Mr Channi said his government will inquire into the matter if they found any evidence of a security lapse.

    He also said they had convinced some protesting farmers the previous night to end their agitation but others had gathered "suddenly" in Ferozepur.

    The protesters were demanding the resignation of junior home minister Ajay Mishra, whose son has been accused in an incident that left eight people dead in October.

    A car linked to Mr Mishra had ploughed into protesting farmers in Uttar Pradesh state, killing four men. Farmers alleged that the son, Ashish Mishra, was behind the attack, but the Mishras deny the allegation.

  8. ?


    Sikh boy, 18, ‘dragged by hair’ during street robbery in Ealing


    14 hours ago

    teenager who was “jumped” by three violent thugs was saved by a heroic supermarket van driver who stopped when he fell bloodied into the road.

    The boy, 18, suffered an injury to the face after he was attacked in Windmill Road, Ealing at around 7.10pm on Tuesday.

    His brother claimed on social media that three men grabbed him by his Joora, (topknot of long, unshorn hair worn by Sikhs) and beat him up before stealing his phone, school work and tablet.

    The boy reportedly got help when he stumbled into the road covered in blood and a supermarket delivery driver stopped to phone police.

    A Met police spokesman said: “Police were called to reports of a male being attacked. Officers attended but there were no signs of any suspects or victims.


    “A short time later a further call was received to Windmill Road, where the victim, aged 18, was located.

    “He was assisted by members of the public who called 999. He was reportedly approached by three males who chased him before stealing his bag and phone.

    “The victim suffered a facial injury. He declined treatment from LAS.”

    There have been no arrests and enquiries are ongoing.



  9. On 1/4/2022 at 5:37 PM, proactive said:

    I am sure the once Bhai Hawara comes out of jail there will be great pressure on the SGPC to accept him as Jathedar. We need to be pragmatic, until that time if the SGPC and their appointed Jathedar can help our religion expand in the Jaat areas then what is wrong with that? We do not want the Jaats to get entangled in our present disputes which will only confuse them further. We need to present a united front because one of the things which they admire most about us is our unity. 

    As for the SGPC Jathedar, personally I feel he is doing well, for one. his coming from a Dalit background was enough to counter the attempt by Hindus to paint the Sikhs as casteists who had murdered a Dalit in one of the camps. He has given good statements in both the Beadbi case and the arrest of Sikhs on trumped up charges of being terrorists. Let's give him his due. Until we have our real Jathedar, at least let us utilise the SGPC one for the betterment of the Panth. 


    On 1/4/2022 at 5:37 PM, proactive said:


    As for the SGPC Jathedar, personally I feel he is doing well, for one. his coming from a Dalit background was enough to counter the attempt by Hindus to paint the Sikhs as casteists who had murdered a Dalit in one of the camps. He has given good statements in both the Beadbi case and the arrest of Sikhs on trumped up charges of being terrorists. Let's give him his due. Until we have our real Jathedar, at least let us utilise the SGPC one for the betterment of the Panth. 

    What did you think of this story ?



  10. 13 hours ago, Guest sikh said:

    Do any of you know when your ancestors became Sikhs? What faith did they follow before Sikhi and which are were they from?

    Nope. In my family, we have not records going back more than 3-4 generations, and no one has said we were non-Sikh anytime soon before that

  11. On 10/5/2021 at 6:42 PM, Premi5 said:

    @dallysingh101 - there seems to be many 'Naughty' people out there who don't like Religion. I wonder if they would have done this to a Black Jamaican lady ?



    Christian nurse sues Croydon hospital after 'being treated like a criminal' for wearing a cross

    • 13:18, 5 OCT 2021
    • UPDATED15:25, 5 OCT 2021

    Mary Onuoha claims she was given a final written warning and that 'security would become involved' if she did not adhere

    A nurse is suing a South London hospital after claiming she was repeatedly bullied and pressured to remove her cross necklace while on duty.

    Mary Onuoha, 61, an operating theatre specialist at Croydon University Hospital, claims that her management forced her to remove or cover up the small, gold Christian cross.

    After what Mary describes as a two-year campaign waged against her by superiors and NHS bosses, she was allegedly forced out of the job she had loved for 18 years.


    The tribunal today (October 5) will hear from the nurse’s lawyers that Croydon Health Services NHS Trust breached Mary’s right to “manifest her faith”.

    She was told that the necklace, which she had worn for 40 years, was a health and safety risk.

    Campaigners supporting Mary said that the case “will bring into question the freedom of Christians to manifest their faith in the workplace, especially in comparison to members of other faiths”.

    Her legal team will argue that other staff at the hospital are allowed to wear other religious jewellery, saris, turbans and hijabs.


    Mary will say that each time she was asked to remove it, she declined to and explained how important it was for her to wear the necklace and why she shouldn’t have to remove it.

    For her continued refusals, the devout Christian was supposedly investigated, suspended from clinical duties and demoted to working as a receptionist.

    The tribunal will hear that in 2019, Mary was given a final written warning and that “security would become involved” if she did not adhere.

    She says she was forced off work with stress in June 2020 and believed she faced no alternative but to resign.

    Mary said: “All I have ever wanted is to be a nurse and to be true to my faith. I am a strong woman, but I have been treated like a criminal. I love my job, but I am not prepared to compromise my faith for it, and neither should other Christian NHS staff.”

    She added: "This has always been an attack on my faith. My cross has been with me for 40 years. It is part of me, and my faith, and it has never caused anyone any harm. Patients often say to me: ‘I really like your cross’, they always respond to it in a positive way and that gives me joy and makes me feel happy.

    "Hindus wear red bracelets on their wrists and female Muslims wear hijabs in theatre. Yet my small cross around my neck was deemed so dangerous that I was no longer allowed to do my job.

    “I was astonished that senior staff were prepared to potentially endanger a patient’s life in order to intimidate me to remove it."

    She will argue that it is in fact NHS management who were breaching the dress code, which states: "The wearing of saris, turbans, kirpan, skullcaps, hijabs, kippahs and clerical collars arising from particular cultural or religious norms are seen as part of welcoming diversity.”

    Andrea Williams, chief executive of the Christian Legal Centre, said: “It is upsetting that an experienced nurse, during a pandemic, has been forced to choose between her faith and the profession she loves.”

    The trust has said it would not comment on active legal proceedings.


    On 10/5/2021 at 6:56 PM, dallysingh101 said:

    There are! They get a thrill out of the power and fact that they have violated something considered sacred to the person. I doubt they would have tried it on a Jamaican lady because she is likely to have buss their bomberklahts. This also reminds of the prisoner in the US who had his kesh shorn by screws despite his protests. It's like Gurjant said, they wouldn't have dared messed with the long beard of some crazy Hells Angel type, so they do it on people they feel they can get away with. 

    I remember having an operation for a deviant septum decades ago, and the last thing I remembered seeing as I was being wheeled into the operating theatre, buzzing off the anesthetic, was the keshdhari Sikh surgeon's 22k gold khanda pendent on his necklace.   


    Nurse sacked by NHS for wearing cross was discriminated against, tribunal rules

    Wed, 5 January 2022, 6:03 pm

    A Christian nurse who was forced to quit her job after being told to remove her cross necklace was discriminated against, an employment tribunal has ruled.

    Mary Onuoha, 61, was harassed and victimised by Croydon Health Services NHS Trust when she was told to stop wearing the cross due to an infection risk, according to the ruling.

    It added this had created a “humiliating, hostile and threatening environment” for the nurse, breaching her human rights set out in the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR).

    Mrs Onuoha resigned as an NHS theatre practitioner at Croydon University Hospital in south London in June 2020 following what she described as a two-year campaign against her when she refused to remove the cross.

    The tribunal found the trust had constructively dismissed Mrs Onuoha from her job of 18 years.

    CROYDON, UNITED KINGDOM - DECEMBER 05: A view of Croydon University Hospital which has taken delivery of the first batch of COVID-19 vaccinations to be delivered to the area on December 5, 2020 in Croydon, England. (Photo by Gareth Fuller - WPA Pool/Getty Images)
    She worked at Croydon University Hospital. (Getty)

    Employment judge Dyal and two lay members, Mrs Foster-Norman and Ms Forecast, ruled that: “Applying common sense, it is clear to us that the infection risk posed by a necklace of the sorts the claimant used to wear, when worn by a responsible clinician such as the claimant, who complied with handwashing protocol, was very low.”

    They said the trust had failed to properly deal with Mrs Onuoha’s grievances when she refused to remove the cross on religious grounds.

    The tribunal added: “No real thought seems to have been given to whether it was really appropriate to discipline the claimant for doing something that in fact many others in the workforce (including more senior colleagues who worked just as closely with patients) were doing unchallenged.

  12. What are the Sangat's thoughts on having servant/maid/paid help in their household?

    A bit random, but many of you who have visited India and other countries will be aware that it's quite common for those who are well off to have servant who does many household chores/work like cooking, cleaning etc.

    Some families have a chauffeur also

    These jobs can be well paid compared to what they might make doing something else, but would be nothing compared to wages in many Western countries. 

    I personally if I could afford, would have a chef. But only if I really trusted them (an Amritdhari Singh or Kaur maybe). Overall however, I don't like the idea, because you can never really really trust others. Risk of poisoning etc

    In Panjab, one of my relatives had cash and jewellery stolen by their naukar who ran off to Nepal (was caught)


    Thoughts ?

  13. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59873833

    French President Emmanuel Macron has been accused of using divisive, vulgar language after he used a slang term to say he wanted to make life difficult for unvaccinated people.

    "I really want to piss them off, and we'll carry on doing this - to the end," he told Le Parisien newspaper.

    Three months ahead of a presidential election, opponents of Mr Macron said his words were unworthy of a president.

  14. https://www.mylondon.news/news/health/unvaccinated-residents-walking-around-south-22626989

    Unvaccinated residents walking around South London compared to murderers slaughtering people with a Samurai sword

    There is a wave of concern about London's large unvaccinated population

    Health Reporter
    • 16:25, 2 JAN 2022
    • UPDATED17:41, 2 JAN 2022

    Unvaccinated people in South London have today been compared to "murderers slaughtering people with a Samurai sword", prompted by the high number of unvaccinated people in Lambeth.

    An unknown author, writing a comment piece in South London Press, said: "Next time you see someone slashing through the Blue or East Street market with a Samurai sword murdering and maiming in their path, would you do nothing but watch?

    "Of course not. But too many are walking our streets blatantly endangering others with an invisible killer".

    Due to high number a cases, particularly in South London, and a large percentage of ICU patients being unvaccinated, this has prompted a wave of concern about London's large unvaccinated population.


    @MisterrSingh - your thoughts please...

  15. 12 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

    I m not that knowledgeable on that. But I think good kirtaniyas hv been from different communities.

    Isn't it the bhappaas belonging to a jatha who hv changed the kirtan style and speak waheguru waheguru while singing gurbani?

    Isn't it Manmatt?

    Why the panth is tolerating It?

    So, 'bhappe' are just khatris and aroras, or does that include any other group(s) ?

  16. On 1/1/2022 at 7:55 PM, Premi5 said:

    @GurjantGnostic @californiasardar1 @S1ngh @Jacfsing2 and any other Americans on here. 

    What do you think the future map of USA would look like , if say in whatever time in the distant future, it became divided?

    Could it divide along lines of Latinos in the southwest being separated from the other parts ?

    Could California or Texas really become their own country ?

    @S1ngh @Jacfsing2 @GurjantGnostic @NaamTiharoJoJapeand any Americans here, interested in your opinion pls

  17. 2 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

    But there's a definite Bhappa phenotype, though. You can spot them from a mile away. Don't tell me they all choose to look like that. There's definitely a consistent evolutionary aspect to it rather than just social or cultural affects. I mean, even Bollywood, with its low-IQ bluntness, has latched onto the stereotype and popularised it.

    And don't drag the Gurus and their offspring into it. Did they resemble Bhappas to you?

    Most Keertanis are from the 'Bhappa' 'castes', I think @shastarSingh?

    I do notice 'Bhappas' have different facial features than rural Sikhs. They often have bigger eyelids and /or more oriental-looking eyes compared to rural Sikhs

    I don't know if people who watch Bollywood think all Sikhs are like the ones they see in Film ?

    Anyone able to give a breakdown of what 'castes' the Bhappe actually are? I mean, are they just Khatris and Aroras , or are there other 'castes' they share with urban Hindus ?

  18. On 1/3/2022 at 10:52 PM, dallysingh101 said:

    Let me try and answer that again now I've had a ponder over it. 

    I think it was starting to go the right way here (towards Sikhi) but I think having more and more freshies immigrating is likely pushing it back to bhangra-centric penduism.  

    I think a lot of the new arrivals and the ones I've seen in Italy (on TV) don't seem to care much for 'bhangra' (maybe non bhangra Panjabi music though) - they also seem to be into Sikhi and attend Gurdware often (don't know if that's mainly for Langar)

    11 hours ago, 5aaban said:

    Yes, racism was more common before the increase of multiculturalism in Australia. I'm from one of the eastern states of Australia. 

    The last major "race riot" in Australia were the Cornulla Riots (2005)  in Sydney between Middle Eastern youth and Anglo-Australians. There was already tension between the community and Lebanese youths before this event and people, particularly women, claimed to have been harassed, almost daily, by "groups of young Lebanese men" attempting to "pick them up" and describing the women as being "Aussie sluts".  

    Some Australians can be "casually" racist, it's part of the culture to poke fun at certain things (e.g. Kiwis are stereotyped as having weird relations with sheeps, doesn't mean Kiwis are actually like that).  


    By casually racist, I mean they would say something offensive and not think much of it. Not jokey like your above example. 

    Saw this docu on Australia and the Lebanese immigrants where they made it look one-sided against the Aussies


    Btw , which city are you in/close to ? Melbourne was a 'non-penal' city, I think, compared to the other major ones, so wonder if less racism there?

    @Kaurr, what do you think of racism in Aus ?



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