Jai Tegang!

How are the school demographics in the cities, like ludhiana? Are sikh children outnumbered?

I was replying to the few posters above who made it out as if Sikhs weren't aware of what was going on in Punjab. Everyone knew what Sant Jarnail Singh Ji was standing up for. People from all over Punjab and beyond were coming to see him for a reason. I agree that we need to better gather facts and more field research as this can have massive impact and lead to undeniable credibility for our claims. Case in point is Jaswant Singh Khalra. Otherwise, you get lies repeated ad nauseum like RW Hindus have been doing lately by making up ridiculous numbers of Hindus killed. The fact is that all throughout the 80’s and 90’s there never was an anti-hindu riot/pogrom in Punjab, not even at critical points of 84. I believe since Baba Santa Singh did eventually ask forgiveness, and as such for Panthic unity we should put things to rest.

We should care because they make up close to 40 % of our Panth in Punjab. The christians have figured out what corner of India will result in no backlash for their rice bag tactics.

Knowing specific facts and figures is not what “knowing” is about. Every Sikh in Punjab and beyond knew about Sant Ji and what was unfolding. There had not been a personality like him who combined the traditional Sant role with a strong Political Warrior aspect that had been missing since Baba Bir Singh. It was the strong comrade influence and congress loyalty in a swathe of our community that resulted in certain propaganda. But you will be surprised even unparh banday knew that SantJi was essentially standing up for our collective izzat. Another thing, by and large Sikhs unanimously condemned Baba Santa Singh’s actions in rebuilding on sarkari wishes. It’s another story that kids born in the west have developed a mythical reimagining of what role Dals have played in the Panth in our post-annexation history.

I think the diversity of Panthic minded posters on here ensure these trolls eventually bleed out. It's always fun to see them showcase their ware. Plus we always have Sherman Tank GG in the house lol. Get the boar tusks out!

The reason for Satguru Guru Nanak Dev Ji coming to this world is also the unbearable sins of the world. I'm sure anit-sikhs would scoff at this assertion. There is probably a lot that goes on behind the scenes with keeping humanity from going extinct. The only thing Gyani Thakur Singh did is share this stuff out in the open, which he perhaps should not do because people are just not receptive of anything beyond their understanding. We need to respect and value our Mahapurkhs along with our Soormay. They both are important for a balanced Panth.

Hear hear ! The Blessings that Guru Gobind SIngh Ji has planted into the Khalsa eclipse all other powers. We just need to get back our faith, confidence, and loyalty. We will have people lining up from other communities for Amrit if we can model true Khalsa behaviour.

@Jassu Can you please remove the signature pic. It doesn't look respectful having a Singh folding his hands to your profile pic or music videos.

It sounds great, but I highly doubt Pakis will let us gain an inch. Our remaining Gurdhams are at their mercy. They can demolish them or renovate them, we are powerless to act. I can bet you if we even try something with the East Punjab Muslims, all of our bhai-chara will be out the window overnight with Gurdwaras razed everywhere. Plus, we've allowed Muslims to grow to 700,000 (2021 estimate) in our Punjab, while they have a residual Pastun Sikh population barely 10,000. I

In any case, a large portion of our people and 'panthic' leadership types all seem to agree with you with all the bhai-chara going full throttle. Songs, films, mosque building, Malerkotla-loving. I don't agree with any of it, but it seems most people are agreeing with you. I see it as an approaching Islamic storm. With soo much sufi-esqe cra p going strong in doaba, and all the punjabi and up-bihar-bengali muslims increasing their presence and numbers in sangrur and ludhiana, and a new found love for Pakistanis with all those youtube village tours,I see trouble.

Sikhs didn’t have the same choices in relation to dealing with Muslims in the past. We had always lived under them as a minority until 1947. No matter what an individual Punjabi Muslim may feel towards us, the greater guiding force of Islam won’t be too far to put them back in line. I personally think they are far too shrewd to be ‘used’ by our simpleton leaders. It’s always going to be a net loss game with them. With Hindus, we currently have no choice but to work with them in the same way we worked with the Muslims in the past.

I think Khatri Sikhs feel the pressure of assimilation in ways the other Punjab centric castes don’t. If you look at the demographics even in Punjab they constitute 2% of the population, making them roughly 600,000. Add to this the roughly 400,000 (out of 550,000) from Delhi and maybe another 500,000 spread out over rest of India, they number 1.5 million. Very small percentage of the Panth as a whole. So already they feel like a minority within a minority. The Punjabi Hindu Khatris/Aroras are more numerous and have weaseled their way into elite strata of business, government, entertainment class using their Hindu identity, across India. Sikh khatris, especially the women, can see the writing on the wall. The Sikh Khatris have a path to dissolve back into mainstream, and they are silently engaged in it. Ridiculing them is only going to make the process faster. What we need to do is build inter-caste solidarity by way of marriage amongst those on an equal social footing. I feel it’s the only way of preventing the gradual loss of Khatri Sikhs with a large chunk of their children (I'm assuming women) marrying out. If you look at India’s demographic statistics, Sikhs grew by only 8% between 1991-2011. The growth of Delhi Sikhs was only 2.7% for this period! For comparison, Hindus grew by 16% and Muslims 24 % in whole of India. So either there is a massive exodus of Sikhs out of Delhi, fertility decline, marrying out, or all of the above.

Brother think of aligning as "using". Just like all Sikhs have to go through "Indira Gandhi International Airport", does not mean we don't spit on her name and curse her under our breath going through customs.

I think our people have a very hard time conceptualizing how to deal with Muslims as the time period from 47’ gets more and more distant. Our collective knowledge of how to live/survive with them is fading in Punjab. The Muslims can be roughly placed in three categories as far it concerns us in our Punjab. There are the Pakistani Muslims, the left-behind Punjabi Muslims in our Punjab, and the UP/Bihari Muslims that are settling the industrial cities and working seasonally or longer in the pinds. We should never forget that our 47’ losses. We lost the most fertile land of undivided Punjab and vastly more collective wealth, half of our HISTORICAL Gurdhams, and a massive proportion of our population perished in the massacres of 47’. With lower estimates of 250,000 non-muslims and equal number of muslims having perished, we can be sure that a majority of those non-muslims would be sikhs due to our visibility and general hostility of muslims against us. If we take even 200,000 Sikhs having been killed out of an estimated 6 million total sikh population, it represensts over 3%! For muslims losing 200,000 out of Indian subcontinental total of 100 million would represent 0.2 %, or even if we just use the Pakistani Muslim total of 37 million, it would still only be 0.5%. While Pakistani today has a residue Sikh population of 10,000 or so that is entirely Pashtun, our Punjab alone has over 700,000 (535,000 as of 2011, and using a safe estimate of 30 % decadal growth it would be around 700,000 as of 2021). With Malerkotla city alone having 100,000 Muslims! Remember also, Pakistan is a huge country by size being close to 900,000 sq km as compared to our tiny Punjab of 50,000 sq km. Let this sink in brothers. Dealing with Hindus is an entirely different ball game. Great points by @proactive in relation to Hindutva.

Happy New Year ?

This sure don't sound like a 'mona sikh' to me. I think a boar tusk is needed here.

This was a surprisingly well made film! I had avoided watching this thinking it was the typical overacted, propagandist stuff like those three bhagat singh films they made in early 2000s or that gaddhar movie. Like dallysingh already stated, there is heavy Sikh representation and parallels to near and distant struggles against the powers that be. I’m actually surprised with those behind this film, that as non-sikh theywould go this far for us. Maybe it was unintentional, maybe not, but the gutt-wrenching end scenes will have every sikh thinking about 84. Honestly, I have not seen any Indian cinema produce a climatic scence of that calibre, or length even. And the very last scene….you can just picture it as a nod to our recent Sikh heroes. The transformation of unfathomable grief into target-locked bir-rass.

There problem is that we are stuck between an antiqued leadership that controls our gurdwara institutions and up-and-coming self-destructive liberal types. The Pakistanis and Hindustanis are playing football with us because we can’t seem to find an independent and secure footing in our panthic-level policies. That’s why you will get Sirsa (who has done great things for us) and Captain obliging their superiors by shooting off on Imran Khan and ISI. The same happens from the Pak side with those scared souls of our microscopic community that get used for anti-india propaganda. Maybe we just don’t have enough shrewd and capable people in our community to steer the ship?

come back to shant ras, brother. No need to whip out the old boar tusk today, lol. you gotta let these flare-ups die down sometimes for the greater peace of the forum.

Have to treat people with respect and dignity to build brotherhood, and this applies to both monas and keshadharis, as certain ego driven people from both categories love to deride and ridicule the other. From the keshadhari/Amritdhari side effort has to be made to not exclude and push away the monas. Then there are some monay who tend to show no respect for Sikhi saroop and undermine its importance with ridicule or even hostility. What brings both categories together is loyalty towards Sikhi and devotion towards Guru maharaj. Sometimes what you have is a mona sikh who has excelled in so many areas of sikhi, like seva Simran, Gurbani path, virtuous lifestyle, that all they are really missing is the Saroop. And the flip side may be the case for a bekhi keshadhari sikh. So looks can be deceiving! I also liked Gyani Takhur Singh’s approach. He always pushed for Simran,Shabad, Gurbani abhyiaas and never pushed for only the outer saroop. The gurdwaras were packed with monay and singhs, all sitting side by side and passionately doing Gurmantar Mool Mantar abhyiaas.

They're getting their jobbers from out of state now since the word is spreading from the last one. It's not easy finding candidates from the brave 1.2 billion.

If you follow that twitter thread the "death toll" keeps rising the further you scroll down. It starts from 8,000, then 25,000...35,000...40,000....almost like a bidding war. Thrown in are fake news screenshots. All pure propaganda for the gullible hindu masses.

Women know which way the winds of society are blowing and follow accordingly. Their interest or lack of is directly related to what they perceive will be useful going into the future. It’s not that they grow up with some religiously segregated systems, they know exactly what’s what no matter the façade. It’s just that they are more attuned to what direction the society around them is moving in and will seek to attach to the most beneficial side.

Not to sidetrack this important thread, because I truly believe an online shittar parade for this disgraceful father daughter duo needs to happen, but I will say an unmanageable number of our people have fallen into the cesspit of all the garbage different cultures inevitably sh8! out along their course of progress. We have a decent time tested culture with an added bonus of a religion, yet still we are ever eager to jump on any passing band wagon. Pure bandar behaviour! Our cousins across the border get it. There’s a place and space for whoring. Even the most non-religious of them will not be dancing with his daughter after her winning an underwear competition. If elements of this garbage enters deeper into society under the guise of culture, there won’t be a culture left to propagate. You will have something akin to the decaying civilizations of the west minus all the good stuff. Essentially nothing. Ready for absorption into the nearest group.

What a pathetic act by this father. This degenerate behaviour tends to snowball if not strongly objected to and freely ridiculed. The social consequences have to be real and severe to prevent this trash culture taking root. This whole entertainment industry is the modern day morphed form of the kotha brothel. The families who support their children, especially daughters, in these whoreshows need to experience everyday shame and feel rejection from society. Sounds harsh, but it works and has worked. Only when their izzat is hit will they think twice. There has to be a price paid for degenerate behavior.