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  1. Thanks for this. It combines the four approved sources (Guru Granth Sahib ji, Dasam Granth Sahib, Bhai Gurdas ji (both Vaar and Kabitt), and Bhai Nand Lal ji in one place. The English translation is the Sant Singh Khalsa and the Punjabi is the Principal Sahib Singh. These aren't that great, but at least they are better than some even worse ones floating around these days.
  2. How is it going to help? The link is of a Sikh hunter. Fine, but what good does that do the lazy Sikh who ate khulla maas in a restaurant? By the way, for the OP, yes, it's against rehit to eat khulla maas.
  3. Yeah, Sikhs should do bhog of food they eat. But the point of bhog is to only do bhog of food which is fit to be presented to Maharaj. It's not maryada to do bhog of khulla maas and pretend it's OK to eat. It's not. Come on, bro, you should know better than to bring this Sakhi into it. Is this Sikh in the restaurant accompanied by Guru Gobind Singh ji? Is he fighting a dharam yudh? Or is he merely filling his belly with the nearest restaurant? Please don't make a mockery of our puratan Singhs' sacrifices by comparing them to lazy Sikhs who eat khulla maas.
  4. Seriously?? The Dhadi is trying to be cute. For those who didn't get it, he said: "Some say Maharaj killed bakras (goats). Some say he cut the heads of the Panj Piyaras. The truth is that they weren't goats. It was she-goats (ਬਕਰੀਆਂ). He jhatka'd she-goats. Not he-goats." Wow. This is possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard in relation to Sikhi.
  5. Instead of a 9 inch or larger kirpan, take a smaller kirpan and put it (without gatra) inside your smaller turban and tie the turban tightly. This keeps a kirpan on your person without interfering with the massage or alarming the masseuse. I'm not talking about a trinket but rather an actual small kirpan that fits in a sheath (you'll have to search to find one). As for ahem, "problems", you could get a male masseuse. I don't know where you are, but in most places there are professional masseuses who actually know what they are doing and can really relieve your muscle pains.
  6. Good way of putting it, bro. One of the ongoing themes of Gurbani is the fake saint. Whether it's fake babas in Punjab or English-speaking personalities in the West, it's an continuing problem of religion through the centuries (and it's not exclusive to us by any means, this applies to all human societies).
  7. First of all, while it's true that Gurbani says slandering a Saint has such-and-such effects, you can't do the reverse: You can't look and your situation and know for certain what caused it. We're not encouraged to mope over our situations but rather to accept the hukam (will). The last line of the very first pauri of Japji Sahib says to live in hukam: ਹੁਕਮਿ ਰਜਾਈ ਚਲਣਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਨਾਲਿ ॥੧॥ hukam rajāī chalanā nānak likhiā nāl .1. O Nanak! By obeying, the pre-ordained order of the Lord's will. Secondly, the astpadhi from which you quoted the Sant ka dokhi verses has this verse at the end: ਜਿਸ ਨੋ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਆਪਨ ਨਾਮੁ ਦੇਇ ॥ jis nō kripā karai tis āpan nām dēi . God gives His Name to those unto whom He shows His mercy. So ask for his mercy. Also check out the 7th Astpadi, which talks about the good effects of the sangat of a Sadhu: https://khojgurbani.com/shabad/271/709?highlighted_scripture_id=12007&highlighted_scripture_lang=gurmukhi&selected_content=gurbani I'm not getting into who is a "true" Sadhu in this post.
  8. The way that matches are normally found is via extended family. Forget your "friends". Have you put out the word to extended family? If they are of no use, go to Amritdhari sangat at the Gurdwaras in your area or even beyond. If somebody wants you to marry an "experienced" woman, you might as well not marry because she would always be "considering her options". Yeah, you're right. Take refuge in Gurbani and sangat.
  9. Why are bringing that stuff up, bro? But since you did, could you state why Baba Santa Singh decided to lower himself by bowing to an occupation force? I mean if Nadar Shah had taken possession of Akal Takhat would the Singhs have lowered themselves before him just because he had physical possession of the Akal Takhat? So, again, why did Santa Singh do it?
  10. So why do "Nihangs" accept donations from "average" Sikhs if the latter are not part of what they consider the Panth? Guru Nanak Dev ji says: ਜੇ ਓਇ ਦਿਸਹਿ ਨਰਕਿ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਤਾਂ ਉਨ੍ਹ ਕਾ ਦਾਨੁ ਨ ਲੈਣਾ ॥ If they (deesah-i) are seen by you (jaandy) going (narak-i) to hell, then you should not (lainaa) be taking (aunh) their (daan-u) charity. ਦੇਂਦਾ ਨਰਕਿ ਸੁਰਗਿ ਲੈਦੇ ਦੇਖਹੁ ਏਹੁ ਧਿਙਾਣਾ ॥ (Deykhahu) look at (ehu) this (dhinknaana) injustice;whereby (deynda) the giver goes (narak-i) to hell and (laidey) the receivers (surag-i) to heaven. p1289 OK, so why does "Dharam" Singh say the bakwas that he says? Nihangs don't preach all the stuff that he says.
  11. One question I have is how these things happen at Gurdwaras. I mean, you go to the Gurdwara, matha tek, sit in sangat, get Prasadh and go home. Or get Langar. At what point could you possibly be assaulted (I'm not saying it didn't happen). Are some children (unwisely) going into some of the various store or office rooms in various Gurdwaras? Never do that.
  12. BhForce

    Anand karaj

    The Anand Karaj is so called because when Anand Sahib is read off after the Lavan, the couple is considered married in Guru ji's eyes. Technically, that is all that is required. The 1, 2, or 3 days thing is because in the old days you couldn't simply drive 300 miles to a wedding or fly out. You had to travel there and you needed to rest for the wedding day. As well, because you didn't have modern transportation and communication, both sides took this time to get acquainted with each other because it might be the only time in a long time to be able to do so. If you want to do that for that purpose is up to you, but you don't need to be constrained by the weird Punjabi "ceremonies". Anand Sahib, then kirtan, then some katha, then ardas, then langar. And you can then go home (doli). Or have a reception if you wish. You don't have to have alcohol at the reception (or have a reception at all). But instead of thinking of things to cut away, you can just start with the Anand Karaj and not add anything else. The milni is merely the two parties meeting each other. There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with that. You can say Fateh instead of taking expensive gifts from the girl's side.
  13. BhForce

    Amritdhari living

    Actually, it is. The main maryada is to remember God. See above. In no sense is waking up before dawn, bathing, and meditating opposed to meeting God! Other maryada's include bans on idol-worship and other things. Do you really think you can meet God while indulging in anti-Sikh practices? In addition, for the OP, you should know that "own-made maryada" as "Guesti" denigrates it, has the sanction of God: ਮੇਰੀ ਬਾਂਧੀ ਭਗਤੁ ਛਡਾਵੈ ਬਾਂਧੈ ਭਗਤੁ ਨ ਛੂਟੈ ਮੋਹਿ ॥ My devotee can release one bound by me, but I can release not one bound by my devotee. p1252 The saints can bind even God. The five Singhs have the power of God: ਇਕ ਸਿਖ ਦੁਇ ਸਾਧ ਸੰਗ ਪੰਜੀ ਪਰਮੇਸ਼ੁਰ॥ One is a Sikh, two are Sadh Sangat, five are God (Vaar 13/9) This maryada was made firm by Guru Gobind Singh ji in form of Panj Pyare. This is no laughing matter. For you to dismiss maryada as "own made rules" is a stunning display of ego towards the rest of the Panth, a Panth dedicated to nothing other than meeting God.
  14. BhForce

    Amritdhari living

    Gurbani says to bpth bathe and do simran. They are not opposed to each other. See above. Gurbani talks about plenty of worldy things that are necessary: For example, eating (moderately). Sleeping (moderately). Wearing clothes (moderately). Having a house. Having transportation. Being a family man. These are because we are not merely souls. We are souls in bodies. A panth is a community of people on the same path. If you want to do whatever you personally want to do, you are, by definition, not on the panth. By your own choice. Feel free to do whatever you want to do. Meanwhile, the Panth is doing exactly what Sikhs have done from the beginning: Remembering God while staying in the maryada.
  15. BhForce

    Amritdhari living

    You're wrong when you say, "there's nothing spiritual in them." Unfortunately, a lot of us fall into the pit of thinking "rules are arbitrary" and have nothing to do with spirituality. Let me sketch it out for you. I have news for you: You can't find God alone. Guru ji states again and again that God resides within Sadh Sangat: Question: ਕਿਉ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਮੁ ਮਿਲੈ ਮੇਰੀ ਮਾਈ ॥ How shall I meet my amiable Beloved, O my mother? The answer is in the very next verse: ਮਿਲਿ ਸਤਸੰਗਤਿ ਖੋਜੁ ਦਸਾਈ ਵਿਚਿ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਵਸੈ ਜੀਉ ॥੨॥ Joining the society of saints, I inquire about the track to God. In the saints congregation, the Lord God abides. p94 God resides within Sangat. The verses quoted prior make it clear that Sikhs are to go into Sangat to recite Gurbani. You've contended that you're to sit for simran without bathing. Are you seriously contending that you are to go into Sangat without bathing? Or are you going to contend you have no need for Sangat? If so, that's exactly the hankar (ego) that Guru ji warns against! So much for trying to find God.
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