FreshMind13

They are rural, I am an example of one depends on if they are khalsa sikh or not

The symbol is called a Yakash. It is a ਪੈਰ ਯੱਯਾ, older version of half ਯੱਯਾ "੍ਯ". In handwritten birhs, this used to be of a hook shape and font makers blindly copied. However it seems STTM is using an updated font that shows this ਚਿੰਨ੍ਹ properly. The uchaaran is: ਕਲਿਅੁਚਰੈ (Think of it as ਕਲ੍ਯੁਚਰੈ) Another example is: Uchaaran would be ਲਖਿਅਣ You add a sihari " ਿ " to the base akhar and then add an "ਅ" after it in ucharan.

We should learn Farsi, Singhs in puratan times to do so. We have various literature in Farsi that cannot be read properly by us. Also remember that the first Shabad in Tilang raag, Guru Sahib has written in Farsi.

My grandfather used to do full Anand Sahib paath during Rehraas.

There are many who hold the view that all the Bhagats met Guru Sahib physically, became Sikhs, then went on to Sachkhand. See Giani Gurditt Singh's book on Bhagat Baani.

Why was my reply deleted? Here is my original reply:

People keep claiming this to make some sort of point or get clout, but the truth is that this is still under research. Had the Sikh Reference Library not been stolen and the SGPC not be corrupt and sign off papers that say they received puratan saroops back from GOI even though they didn't, we would have an answer to this Mahalla 10 question. Though, current research points to it not being Mahalla 10, as older saroops that the panth has available do not have this.

It is said Guru Nanak Dev Ji was parkash (born) ੧ ਪਹਿਰ ਰਾਤ ਰਹਿੰਦੀ, which would mean around 3-4am.

This could have been used to measure Pehar timings. A common misconception is that a pehar is 3 hours long, this is far from the case. A pehar is dynamic depending on what part of the day one is in. There are two parts in day: Daytime and Nighttime. This means there are two types of pehars. Daytime: Sunrise to Sunset Nighttime: Sunset to next Sunrise Since Sun timings are always changing, pehar timings are always different. 1st Daytime Pehar - Starts at Sunrise 3rd Daytime Pehar - Starts at Solar Noon 1st Nighttime Pehar - Starts at Sunset 3rd Nighttime Pehar - Starts at Solar Midnight. In total there are 8 Pehars, but one cannot assume the daytime and nighttime pehars are of the same length.

It is ਇੱਕ ਓਅੰਕਾਰ. There is no argument about this. The author of this article is spouting a baseless theory which is frankly nonsense, alongside others who have their own baseless views about the ucharan of ੴ. ਓਅੰਕਾਰ is the primal sound. Here is the first few lines of the ਓਅੰਕਾਰ baani with arths from Prof. Sahib Singh. ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਇੱਕ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਨਾਲ ਮਿਲਦਾ ਹੈ। ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਦਖਣੀ ਓਅੰਕਾਰੁ ॥ ਰਾਗ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਦਖਣੀ ਵਿੱਚ ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕਦੇਵ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਬਾਣੀ 'ਓਅੰਕਾਰੁ'। ਓਅੰਕਾਰਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਉਤਪਤਿ ॥ (ਹੇ ਪਾਂਡੇ! ਤੁਸੀ ਮੰਦਰ ਵਿਚ ਅਸਥਾਪਨ ਕੀਤੀ ਹੋਈ ਇਸ ਮੂਰਤੀ ਨੂੰ 'ਓਅੰਕਾਰ' ਮਿਥ ਰਹੇ ਹੋ, ਤੇ ਆਖਦੇ ਹੋ ਕਿ ਸ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਟੀ ਨੂੰ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਨੇ ਪੈਦਾ ਕੀਤਾ ਸੀ। ਪਰ 'ਓਅੰਕਾਰ' ਉਹ ਸਰਬ-ਵਿਆਪਕ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਹੈ ਜਿਸ) ਸਰਬ-ਵਿਆਪਕ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਤੋਂ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਦਾ (ਭੀ) ਜਨਮ ਹੋਇਆ, ਓਅੰਕਾਰੁ ਕੀਆ ਜਿਨਿ ਚਿਤਿ ॥ ਉਸ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਨੇ ਭੀ ਉਸ ਸਰਬ-ਵਿਆਪਕ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨੂੰ ਆਪਣੇ ਮਨ ਵਿਚ ਵਸਾਇਆ। ਓਅੰਕਾਰਿ ਸੈਲ ਜੁਗ ਭਏ ॥ ਇਹ ਸਾਰੀ ਸ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਟੀ ਤੇ ਸਮੇ ਦੀ ਵੰਡ ਉਸ ਸਰਬ-ਵਿਆਪਕ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਤੋਂ ਹੀ ਹੋਏ, ਓਅੰਕਾਰਿ ਬੇਦ ਨਿਰਮਏ ॥ ਵੇਦ ਭੀ ਓਅੰਕਾਰ ਤੋਂ ਹੀ ਬਣੇ। ਓਅੰਕਾਰਿ ਸਬਦਿ ਉਧਰੇ ॥ ਜੀਵ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੇ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਵਿਚ ਜੁੜ ਕੇ ਉਸ ਸਰਬ-ਵਿਆਪਕ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੀ ਸਹੈਤਾ ਨਾਲ ਹੀ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਦੇ ਵਿਕਾਰਾਂ ਤੋਂ ਬਚਦੇ ਹਨ, ਓਅੰਕਾਰਿ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਤਰੇ ॥ ਤੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੇ ਦੱਸੇ ਰਾਹ ਉਤੇ ਤੁਰ ਕੇ ਸੰਸਾਰ-ਸਮੁੰਦਰ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਪਾਰ ਲੰਘਦੇ ਹਨ।

Very dubious, Sukhaee could mean anything? It could be a granthi who is chosen to do Sukhaasan seva. There is no evidence presented that Sukhaee means ਸੁਖਾ [ਭੰਗ] ਬਣਾਉਣ ਵਾਲਾ।

Ignore this guy. There are already many institutions and YouTube channels supporting Gurmat Sangeet. Guru Sahib never forbade non-Raag kirtan. Rather many Sikhs from this group you claim to be "anti-raag" have learned Raag from an Ustaad. There is no way you can do proper Kirtan without learning some type or form of Raag. There is no such thing as "anti-raag", it is a strawman argument. Instead of complaining on an internet forum, what have you done? Have you gone out and learned Raag? Are you trying to learn the traditional instruments like the Dilruba, Saranda, Taus, Rabab, Jorri, etc.? There are many ustaads now teaching Gurmat Sangeet and much literature published on the topic that there is no excuse to say Raag is dying or is dead.

Lol Thankfully, Guru Sahib has given Maryada of only Grihast Gursikhs (married, never divorced/remarried) to do seva in Panj.

I will say again: ਭਸੌੜ ਨੂੰ ਜਪੀ ਜਾਉ।

The author (Guru Sahib) is going katha of the Charitar. Guru Sahib isn't literally saying to get a green cup, neither is Guru Sahib talking to Saki. I will look into the Fatehnama, but the example you have given seems to be from the mangal/sirlekh, not the actual text. Sirlekhs can be interpolated.

they are farsi anuvaad of charitars.

Sanatanis and their wrong arths if Sri Dasam Granth. These people are doing beadbi of Guru Sahib with their wrong arths. First of all, Krishnaavtaar is katha. It is not meant as a spiritual guide. In that story, Bhrigu Rishi was against alcohol because of the 'Kach' incident. But in this case, after the Yudh, the wine given to Krishan was from Brahma. This has nothing to do with it being allowed or not, but it is just a point Guru Gobind Singh Ji added to that story, as it is a Katha. Frankly, I believe we should boycott these Sanatanis just like we boycott Missionaries. They do the same wrong arths, but arrive at different conclusions.

ਰਸਾਵਲ ਛੰਦ ॥ RASAAVAL STANZA ਨ ਜਟਾ ਮੁੰਡਿ ਧਾਰੌ ॥ ਨ ਮੁੰਦ੍ਰਕਾ ਸਵਾਰੌ ॥ I neither wear matted hair on the head nor bedeck myself with ear-rings. ਜਪੋ ਤਾਸ ਨਾਮੰ ॥ ਸਰੈ ਸਰਬ ਕਾਮੰ ॥੫੧॥ I meditate on the Name of the Lord, which helps me in all my errands.51. (ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ, ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ) ਜਟਾ ਨ ਸੀਸ ਧਾਰਿਹੌ ॥ ਨ ਮੁੰਦ੍ਰਕਾ ਸੁ ਧਾਰਿਹੌ ॥ I do not wear matted hair on my head, nor do I put rings in my ears. ਨ ਕਾਨਿ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਕੀ ਧਰੋ ॥ ਕਹਿਯੋ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਸੁ ਮੈ ਕਰੋ ॥੩੬॥ I do not pay attention to anyone else, all my actions are at the bidding of the Lord.36. (ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ, ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ) ਪੁਨਿ ਹਰਿ ਗੋਰਖ ਕੋ ਉਪਰਾਜਾ ॥ ਸਿਖ ਕਰੇ ਤਿਨ ਹੂ ਬਡ ਰਾਜਾ ॥ Then I created Gorakh, who made great kings his disciples. ਸ੍ਰਵਨ ਫਾਰਿ ਮੁਦ੍ਰਾ ਦੁਐ ਡਾਰੀ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰਤਿ ਰੀਤਿ ਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੀ ॥੨੪॥ His disciples wear rings in their ears and do not know the love of the lord.24. (ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ, ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ) We also need to take into consideration: ਪਰਥਾਇ ਸਾਖੀ ਮਹਾ ਪੁਰਖ ਬੋਲਦੇ ਸਾਝੀ ਸਗਲ ਜਹਾਨੈ ॥ Great men speak the teachings by relating them to individual situations, but the whole world shares in them. (ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ - ਗੁਰੂ ਅਮਰਦਾਸ ਜੀ - ਅੰਗ ੬੪੭, ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ) So even if Guru Sahib was speaking about the Yogis, it applies universally.

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Instead of trying to find a true painting or photo of Guru Sahib, should focus on doing Naam Abhyiaas to get darshan of dashmesh pita, like many mahapurakhs have done.

ਤਤਕਰਾ = Table of Contents ਭੂਮਿਕਾ = Introduction --- ਭ: ਚੱਤਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀਵਨ ਸਿੰਘ = Bhai Chattar Singh Bhai Jeevan Singh (name of Publishing House in Amritsar)

https://web.archive.org/web/20190301132743/http://www.searchsikhism.com/ Internet Archive is your friend.

Bro, you cannot be this ignorant. Those groups you mentioned are the ones who keep stopping women from doing keertan. Dhumma Taksal threw a fit when Punjab Government recommended Bibyan be allowed to do seva. SGPC had already made a decision to allow bibyan to do keertan seva in 1940, and Sri Akal Takht Sahib reaffirmed it in 1996.

They are a bunch of fakes. Wannabe nihungs, but are sanatani. They do wrong arths of Dasam Baani just like missionaries do to support their views.